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Post by HVMMONS on Nov 29, 2014 20:38:17 GMT -5
Just finished listening to Chris Jericho's podcast with Seth Rollins. Jericho asked Seth how the Shield idea got pitched. Seth did admit that nobody told them who's idea it was, but that they were initially going to be Punk's security force, and talked about the Ryback botch with Punk on Raw. Seth said because of the botch, Punk wasn't able to work TLC, which is why they were in a feud with Team Hell No. So, Punk did tell the truth and didn't exaggerate on that. That's really interesting. I wonder how The Shield would've turned out with Punk as their leader. And with Ohno instead of Reigns... Correct. Seth didn't mention Chris Hero, though. He actually said that WWE had The Shield as a foursome at one point including: - Roman Regins - Big E - Dean Ambrose - Seth Rollins |
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Post by Chip on Nov 29, 2014 20:47:17 GMT -5
ive said a hundred times Punk's long WWE title reign was amazing.
the fact that a majority of it was spent taking a back seat on PPV and most RAW's to John Cena's meaningless feuds was complete bullshit.
Punk's statement of "the main event is the last match of the night" is absolutely true.
There's been like 5 exceptions to that rule, but in wrestling lore, the main event is exactly that. the last thing people see on the show (TV). Punk as the WWE champion barely got any of that, despite being the overall best performer in the company through that time.
then he got to lose the title to The Rock....who proceeded to hold it for 2 months without a defense, and punk got thrown into the leftover standard Wrestlemania Undertaker feud where the only reason it turned out any good was because (God rest his soul) Paul Bearer passed away in the middle of it.
Punk should have gone until Wrestlemania holding the belt and dropped it to Rock in a 3-way main event. But the WWE was hell bent on over-selling "Cena/Rock II" which was a horrid, boring, stale, watered down match (partly due to Rock's injury). Then at that point Punk was pretty much thrown right back where he was before he became champ.
Punk wasn't completely screwed over. But he certainly wasn't given the keys to the city the way he SHOULD have been. And you absolutely CANNOT fault him for wanting to main event Wrestlemania. Everyone from Cena down to Heath Slater should want to main event Wrestlemania....or else, why are you in the business? Punk's passion obviously was wrestling above all else, the man literally destroyed himself for "US" and yet people still give him crapfor his decisions. It's tired, stale, and they need to get over themselves and their blind hate.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 29, 2014 20:54:24 GMT -5
ive said a hundred times Punk's long WWE title reign was amazing. the fact that a majority of it was spent taking a back seat on PPV and most RAW's to John Cena's meaningless feuds was complete bullcrap. Punk's statement of "the main event is the last match of the night" is absolutely true. There's been like 5 exceptions to that rule, but in wrestling lore, the main event is exactly that. the last thing people see on the show (TV). Punk as the WWE champion barely got any of that, despite being the overall best performer in the company through that time. then he got to lose the title to The Rock....who proceeded to hold it for 2 months without a defense, and punk got thrown into the leftover standard Wrestlemania Undertaker feud where the only reason it turned out any good was because (God rest his soul) Paul Bearer passed away in the middle of it. Punk should have gone until Wrestlemania holding the belt and dropped it to Rock in a 3-way main event. But the WWE was hell bent on over-selling "Cena/Rock II" which was a horrid, boring, stale, watered down match (partly due to Rock's injury). Then at that point Punk was pretty much thrown right back where he was before he became champ. Punk wasn't completely screwed over. But he certainly wasn't given the keys to the city the way he SHOULD have been. And you absolutely CANNOT fault him for wanting to main event Wrestlemania. Everyone from Cena down to Heath Slater should want to main event Wrestlemania....or else, why are you in the business? Punk's passion obviously was wrestling above all else, the man literally destroyed himself for "US" and yet people still give him crap for his decisions. It's tired, stale, and they need to get over themselves and their blind hate.  |
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Post by Chip on Nov 29, 2014 20:56:36 GMT -5
oh and also courtesy of Dave Scherer from PWInsider... Responding to these typical IWC statements on Punk... *He’s a quitter. That is the big one that has been driving me nuts when people say it from day one. Here is the truth. WWE has 90 day clauses in their contracts so that they can release a talent whenever they no longer want them around. The talent does not have that same clause. So if you are someone who says, “He should have finished out his contract” tell that to every single wrestler that got “wished well in their future endeavors” after WWE decided that they no longer wanted them around.
For those that said he walked out, Punk described his Cleveland, OH meeting with HHH and Vince McMahon, which happened after The Royal Rumble. He talked about getting a concussion at the Rumble the evening before, having two bad knees and a lump on his back that he claimed WWE Dr. Chris Amann wouldn't exorcise, despite being asked to many times. He talked about numerous occasions when he needed time off to deal with injuries but was always asked to come back early. To his credit, he took the blame for agreeing to do so, taking responsibility for his part in the situation.
After the Rumble, feeling concussed and ill from being on antibiotics prescribed by Amann for three months (making his digestive system upset to the point where he actually defecated himself in the ring on TV), he told Vince he was going home. WWE didn’t suspend him at the time. In fact Vince McMahon on the first quarter conference call said that Punk was on a “sabbatical”. A sabbatical, by definition, is a leave of absence that the employer granted. Vince may not have meant it, but he said it on the record for investors so no matter how you feel about it, it became the “truth” at that time. To say it wasn’t now would cause issues for WWE with the U. S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
WWE later suspended him and then fired him, choosing to deliver the news to him on his wedding day. Given it was common knowledge in WWE the day he was marrying AJ Lee, it’s hard to believe that news was delivered that day by coincidence. Now to be fair, Punk also chose to stay home so you could make the case that he knew what it would lead to. But the fact of the matter is, he was fired, he did not quit. And Vince McMahon said he was away before that with the company’s blessing.
Also, Punk had made it very clear that he was not going to re-sign with WWE in July when his deal expired. He had told management that. And, he was not in the middle of any program so it’s not like he walked out before a feud could be paid off. To me the bottom line is this, the wrestler should be no more loyal to WWE than the company is to them. WWE can choose to end their relationship so the talent can as well.__________________ *I built his house/he owes me. First off, I get that people invest in their stars. And if they buy their merchandise, tickets to house shows or PPVs, etc., they support them (though if all you do is watch them on TV, you don’t support them as much as you think you do unless you are a Nielsen home).
But at the end of the day, the deal between performer and fan is that they entertain you for the money you pay them to do so. There is no term length on the agreement. You don’t own a piece of them or have any right to force them to do anything that they don’t want to do or feel like they are able to do.
Punk was hurting, a lot. He didn’t feel comfortable working and honestly the person on the other side of the ring doesn’t want to be in there with a guy that could potentially hurt them due to his brain being injured. WWE doesn’t want that either. And, if he had two more concussions and got brain damaged, none of the fans would be there to help him.
A person has to be their own advocate. He was nursing a bunch of injuries and knew his body needed a break, his mind as well.________________ The rest is here: www.pwinsider.com/article/89870/why-people-need-to-stop-calling-cm-punk-a-quitter-what-wwe-could-learn-from-his-interview-why-punk-had-a-right-to-do-what-he-did-and-more.html?p=1 |
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Post by Hulk Who? on Nov 29, 2014 21:13:51 GMT -5
I don't know, he seems pretty blinded by the last match thing because he was using it as motivation, and I do get it, I don't think he's incorrect, they did the same thing to Randy Savage in 92 at WM8, but no one cares about Sid/Hogan except the for the Warrior return, the real double main event was Piper/Hart and Savage/Flair. Those matches weren't hurt by not going on last, it was just bad for the overall order of the show, it hurt Hogan/Sid and made the company look stupid, same thing here. Meanwhile he looked like a million bucks after the Taker match, and stole the show. I'm one of those people Punk got to watch the show again. It wasn't so much the pipe bomb thing as the ice cream and shouting "what a maneuver?!?" at Vince.  |
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Post by Hulk Who? on Nov 29, 2014 22:45:44 GMT -5
The whole thing seems totally unnecessary, which is what it has in common with past wrestlers falling out with the company: Warrior, Savage, Hart, Angle. There would have been no problem had communication been better and anyone knew how to deescalate a growing bad situation. It's not something like Magnum TA's situation, so it just seems ridiculous to let so much go to waste. It's just like no one involved is an adult. I don't disagree with anything Punk said really, he just made lots of mistakes, like gutting it out and doing Vince favors when maybe he shouldn't have.
I was wondering when he said Vince was an out of touch old man, if he meant out of touch with what the fans wanted, or out of touch with command of his company. The idea that Triple H would change the lead of an expensive movie so fl ippantly without talking seems really financially reckless. We've all heard tons of wrestlers talk about what a zoo WCW was to work at compared to WWE, but the image I was getting while Punk talked was more like WCW.
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Post by Jaz on Nov 29, 2014 23:04:27 GMT -5
Just finished listening to Chris Jericho's podcast with Seth Rollins. Jericho asked Seth how the Shield idea got pitched. Seth did admit that nobody told them who's idea it was, but that they were initially going to be Punk's security force, and talked about the Ryback botch with Punk on Raw. Seth said because of the botch, Punk wasn't able to work TLC, which is why they were in a feud with Team Hell No. So, Punk did tell the truth and didn't exaggerate on that. That's really interesting. I wonder how The Shield would've turned out with Punk as their leader. And with Ohno instead of Reigns... I remember when The Shield first made their debut, I thought Reigns seemed out of place with Ambrose and Rollins. Obviously everything worked out fine though. |
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Post by theMOESIAH on Nov 29, 2014 23:18:53 GMT -5
And as I said, Punk's booking should but be the issue. It's ask a matter of personal taste and opinion. Personally I think that Yoshi Tatsu was booked poorly, did that make it a fact? No. The issue should be the lack of medical support wrestlers face and the pressure that is put on them to work when they are hurt. That is far more important than their spot on any card and you being a dick isn't going to change that. So... you do need me to put it in bold? Okay, brace yourself and sound it out... >>>My comment you quoted was not based off the medical part of the interview<<<There were people talking about the booking of Punk. I know it's a matter of taste and opinion and I GAVE MY OPINION BECAUSE OTHERS WERE GIVING THEIRS! THAT'S THE POINT OF A FORUM. IF THE TOPIC WAS ABOUT YOSHI TATSU THEN I WOULD HAVE GIVING MY OPINION ON HIM TOO. AND AT NO POINT DID I CLAIM MY OPINION WAS FACT. HENCE THE MY TWO CENTS PIC AT THE END. YOU MAKE NO SENSE AND NEED TO GO AWAY. You said that you felt the focal point should be one thing and I disagreed. You're response to my disagreement if that I must be too stupid to understand your point. My entire argument has been that the medical issues should be what the conversation is focused on. That's the only point I've been trying to make. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 4:47:42 GMT -5
There's some bickering and "smartassery" going on in this thread........and if it doesn't stop its getting locked. People need to calm down because others don't have the exact same views on Punk that they do.
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Post by Rattlehead on Nov 30, 2014 4:47:49 GMT -5
I believe one thing he said.... "WWE doesn't do anything to protect the wrestlers, they do things to protect themselves" a lot of wrestlers must be  ing up because we've seen many disappear from your TV screens. I actually think Cesaro is being punished for his Orton vs Cena comment.   |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 9:50:38 GMT -5
Looking back at all crapthat Cena did that we said was stupid.How bad was the crapCena said no to.
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Post by marino13 on Nov 30, 2014 10:16:42 GMT -5
So... you do need me to put it in bold? Okay, brace yourself and sound it out... >>>My comment you quoted was not based off the medical part of the interview<<<There were people talking about the booking of Punk. I know it's a matter of taste and opinion and I GAVE MY OPINION BECAUSE OTHERS WERE GIVING THEIRS! THAT'S THE POINT OF A FORUM. IF THE TOPIC WAS ABOUT YOSHI TATSU THEN I WOULD HAVE GIVING MY OPINION ON HIM TOO. AND AT NO POINT DID I CLAIM MY OPINION WAS FACT. HENCE THE MY TWO CENTS PIC AT THE END. YOU MAKE NO SENSE AND NEED TO GO AWAY. You said that you felt the focal point should be one thing and I disagreed. You're response to my disagreement if that I must be too stupid to understand your point. My entire argument has been that the medical issues should be what the conversation is focused on. That's the only point I've been trying to make. I'm not a doctor nor do I pretend to be. I know about wrestling not medical practices. I'm on Wrestlingfigs not WebMD. I don't work for WWE or know their protocol for injuries. But I do know what WWE has been putting on my screen. So I'll talk about what I know. Just like the other people were that I was responding to. |
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Post by RybackV1 on Nov 30, 2014 16:13:09 GMT -5
So many holes in every one of this dudes stories. It's sad how many of you are brainwashed. But he's good at it. A regular Jim Jones.
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Post by K5 on Nov 30, 2014 16:15:04 GMT -5
haven't been on in a while but had to drop in for this.
amazing podcast. lol @ anyone trivializing punk's comments towards WWE's (mis)treatment of their employees and exhausting lack of creative minds.
he jesse ventura'd them. awesome.
do not plan to give money in any form towards the WWE for here on out.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Nov 30, 2014 16:29:27 GMT -5
So many holes in every one of this dudes stories. It's sad how many of you are brainwashed. But he's good at it. A regular Jim Jones. Sums up Punk's popularity on the Internet for years, really. He's awesome at it, to be honest. The holes in his stories are the funniest part, even just the ones where he contradicts either himself or basic reality. "I don't care about money, BUT HERE IS ME TALKING ABOUT ALL THE TIMES I SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID MORE!" "I stole the show at several WrestleManias in a row (but obviously didn't at all)." "I hate how they bring in part-timers for big paydays. I mean I want to be a part-timer they bring in for big paydays." |
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Post by RybackV1 on Nov 30, 2014 16:36:23 GMT -5
So many holes in every one of this dudes stories. It's sad how many of you are brainwashed. But he's good at it. A regular Jim Jones. Sums up Punk's popularity on the Internet for years, really. He's awesome at it, to be honest. The holes in his stories are the funniest part, even just the ones where he contradicts either himself or basic reality. "I don't care about money, BUT HERE IS ME TALKING ABOUT ALL THE TIMES I SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID MORE!" "I stole the show at several WrestleManias in a row (but obviously didn't at all)." "I hate how they bring in part-timers for big paydays. I mean I want to be a part-timer they bring in for big paydays." Once he started implying that he deserved to be on the same pay level as The Rock, Brock Lesnar, John Cena, The Undertaker, and Triple H I realized that the man truly is delusional. At the rate he was going. Maybe in 5 years he could've gained their legendary status and earned similar paychecks As those all time greats. MAYBE. But he wanted it NOW NOW NOW |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 30, 2014 16:43:26 GMT -5
If I was in one of the three "main events" being billed, I feel that I should get paid equal to the other five guys. Maybe that's just me though.
I also didn't get a "hole" or contradictory vibe from the pay talk. Yes, he said it isn't all about money. Because it's not. But, he wanted to be paid accordingly for what he felt he deserved.
It's also HILARIOUS to see people spew "all the Punk fans get brainwashed by this", but they're also instantly programmed to be against the things he says. Like, why is it okay for some to take a stance against him instantly but it's bad for some to blindly agree with him? I'm not saying he was totally right or wrong because there's no way to tell either way.
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Post by el torro on Nov 30, 2014 16:52:11 GMT -5
Sums up Punk's popularity on the Internet for years, really. He's awesome at it, to be honest. The holes in his stories are the funniest part, even just the ones where he contradicts either himself or basic reality. "I don't care about money, BUT HERE IS ME TALKING ABOUT ALL THE TIMES I SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID MORE!" "I stole the show at several WrestleManias in a row (but obviously didn't at all)." "I hate how they bring in part-timers for big paydays. I mean I want to be a part-timer they bring in for big paydays." Once he started implying that he deserved to be on the same pay level as The Rock, Brock Lesnar, John Cena, The Undertaker, and Triple H I realized that the man truly is delusional. At the rate he was going. Maybe in 5 years he could've gained their legendary status and earned similar paychecks As those all time greats. MAYBE. But he wanted it NOW NOW NOW You have just been told that you out performed Cena/Rock and HHH/Lesnar with Taker. And yet all of them INCLUDING the man you stole the show WITH, get payed more than you. Would you not complain? |
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Post by RybackV1 on Nov 30, 2014 16:54:19 GMT -5
Once he started implying that he deserved to be on the same pay level as The Rock, Brock Lesnar, John Cena, The Undertaker, and Triple H I realized that the man truly is delusional. At the rate he was going. Maybe in 5 years he could've gained their legendary status and earned similar paychecks As those all time greats. MAYBE. But he wanted it NOW NOW NOW You have just been told that you out performed Cena/Rock and HHH/Lesnar with Taker. And yet all of them INCLUDING the man you stole the show WITH, get payed more than you. Would you not complain? Would I complain? If I stole the show with The ING UNDERTAKER at Wrestle Fn mania ? Hell no, I would do that for free! |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 30, 2014 16:56:46 GMT -5
You have just been told that you out performed Cena/Rock and HHH/Lesnar with Taker. And yet all of them INCLUDING the man you stole the show WITH, get payed more than you. Would you not complain? Would I complain? If I stole the show with The ING UNDERTAKER at Wrestle Fn mania ? Hell no, I would do that for free! Good for you, but you have to see it from Punk's perspective too. If you're being put on the "main event" level with these big money guys, it's reasonable for him to want to be compensated as such. |
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