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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 9, 2015 17:47:19 GMT -5
If anyone hasn't seen it yet, on the Randy Savage DVD/Blu Ray that recently came out, Lanny Poffo went on to say that Savage wanted to work a program with Shawn Michaels, but the WWE nixed the idea.
Well, again, I am not so sure about that, because these two did work a program on house shows in 1993.
WWF @ Providence, RI - Civic Center - January 30, 1993 (matinee)
Included a moment of silence and a 3-bell salute to the passing of Andre the Giant
Tito Santana defeated Skinner
Jim Powers pinned the Predator at 8:23 with a powerslam
Typhoon pinned the Berzerker with a roll up at 6:01 after the Berzerker thought he had won the match with his feet on the ropes
Rick & Scott Steiner defeated Double Trouble at 7:01 when Scott scored the pin following a double team DDT from Rick's shoulders
Mr. Perfect pinned Ric Flair at 15:50 with the Perfect Plex; after the bout, Razor Ramon assaulted Perfect on the floor, hitting him with a chair and twice throwing him into the ring post
Tatanka pinned Damien Demento with the Samoan Drop
WWF IC Champion Shawn Michaels fought Randy Savage to a double count-out at 8:07 when Savage chased after the champion when Michaels left ringside as the challenger attempted the flying elbowsmash; after the bout, Savage brought Michaels back to the ring, hit the elbowsmash, and - not realizing the match was over - made the cover
Razor Ramon pinned the Big Bossman at 5:34 with a roll up after Bossman missed a charge in the corner
WWF World Champion Bret Hart pinned Bam Bam Bigelow at around the 10-minute mark with a victory roll after kicking the challenger in the face as he charged the corner
And there is quite a few house show results I seen with HBK vs. Savage. So again, is that just an assumption by Lanny Poffo in why Savage left the WWE?? Because it seemed those two were working a program; albeit on the house shows, but it was still a program.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 9, 2015 18:05:26 GMT -5
I would kill to see that.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 9, 2015 20:01:29 GMT -5
they were still doing the program in the summer of 93 as well. went to a TV Taping in Wilkes-Barre, PA. with an (untelevised) main event of WWF Champion Yokozuna defending against Bret Hart, who was saved from the post-match beatdown by the newly patriotic Lex Luger.
one of the undercard matches as IC Champ Michaels defending against the Macho Man.
I said in the other thread, Lanny's comments hold no water with me in regard to Savage post 92,especially in the regard that vince refused to let him wrestle. he had matches and programs with Flair,Razor Ramon,Yokozuna,Doink,Shawn Michaels, and Crush, among others. was he the main event? no. did he wrestle on every PPV? no. but he was in plenty of high profile matches post-divorce up until he left, despite what Lanny says.
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Post by speaktomeworriers on Jan 9, 2015 20:17:10 GMT -5
I thnk he meant a televised ppv kind of program, house shows are different, a lot of wrestlers face each other at house shows, but doesn't mean they had a program together
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 9, 2015 20:49:27 GMT -5
I thnk he meant a televised ppv kind of program, house shows are different, a lot of wrestlers face each other at house shows, but doesn't mean they had a program together probably,but maybe Vince saw something he didn't like? several big feuds that almost happened actually did,during house shows or dark matches. but something didn't click for Vince,so they never got brought up to televised/PPV matches. Ultimate Warrior vs Andre, Ultimate Warrior vs Undertaker and Hogan vs Flair come to mind. perhaps the same thing happened here? Vince didn't like what he saw in 93, so when Randy went to him about having a PPV / TV feud with Michaels Vince said no? just speculation on my part. |
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Post by speaktomeworriers on Jan 9, 2015 20:53:59 GMT -5
I thnk he meant a televised ppv kind of program, house shows are different, a lot of wrestlers face each other at house shows, but doesn't mean they had a program together probably,but maybe Vince saw something he didn't like? several big feuds that almost happened actually did,during house shows or dark matches. but something didn't click for Vince,so they never got brought up to televised/PPV matches. Ultimate Warrior vs Andre, Ultimate Warrior vs Undertaker and Hogan vs Flair come to mind. perhaps the same thing happened here? Vince didn't like what he saw in 93, so when Randy went to him about having a PPV / TV feud with Michaels Vince said no? just speculation on my part. Yes but warrior and Andre.... Their feud was well known on tv, even though they had no ppv matches, same with warrior and taker, well known fued, no tv time, hogan and flair, well, that was just dumb....hbk and savage didn't have a " fued" ..... |
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 9, 2015 20:57:56 GMT -5
probably,but maybe Vince saw something he didn't like? several big feuds that almost happened actually did,during house shows or dark matches. but something didn't click for Vince,so they never got brought up to televised/PPV matches. Ultimate Warrior vs Andre, Ultimate Warrior vs Undertaker and Hogan vs Flair come to mind. perhaps the same thing happened here? Vince didn't like what he saw in 93, so when Randy went to him about having a PPV / TV feud with Michaels Vince said no? just speculation on my part. Yes but warrior and Andre.... Their feud was well known on tv, even though they had no ppv matches, same with warrior and taker, well known fued, no tv time, hogan and flair, well, that was just dumb....hbk and savage didn't have a " fued" ..... true. guess what I'm trying to say is, maybe Vince didn't like the house show matches Macho and Shawn were pulling in 93, so when Savage came to Vince later with the idea for a proper feud between the two, Vince said no cause he didn't like they way they worked together. |
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Post by speaktomeworriers on Jan 9, 2015 21:01:35 GMT -5
Yes but warrior and Andre.... Their feud was well known on tv, even though they had no ppv matches, same with warrior and taker, well known fued, no tv time, hogan and flair, well, that was just dumb....hbk and savage didn't have a " fued" ..... true. guess what I'm trying to say is, maybe Vince didn't like the house show matches Macho and Shawn were pulling in 93, so when Savage came to Vince later with the idea for a proper feud between the two, Vince said no cause he didn't like they way they worked together. Gotchya |
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 9, 2015 21:16:17 GMT -5
true. guess what I'm trying to say is, maybe Vince didn't like the house show matches Macho and Shawn were pulling in 93, so when Savage came to Vince later with the idea for a proper feud between the two, Vince said no cause he didn't like they way they worked together. Gotchya I'm thinking maybe Vince HAD plans in 93 for Randy and HBK to get their proper feud,and like was so often done back then, the house show feud was basically the tryout/warm up to see if it would work. and it didn't. cause there definitely could've been a slot there in fall of 93. Shawn just got done with Perfect, but wouldn't start to feud in earnest with Razor til around the Rumble 94. Savage wasn't doing anything at the time, and wouldn't have his PPV match with Crush til Mania 10. so they definitely could've had a little feud in there somewhere. maybe have Crush cost Savage a win for the IC title at the Rumble 94, taking their growing feud to a whole new level? but Vince wasn't happy with what he saw in the ring between them, and then Shawn got suspended for drugs and stripped of the Title. so any chance to do something in 93 was done. and then in 94 when Savage went to Vince about trying the feud again, he remembered he wasn't happy with what he saw the first time, so he vetoed it? |
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Post by He Hate Me on Jan 9, 2015 21:21:35 GMT -5
Not the topic, I know, but thats a pretty decent house show card with Perfect v Flair, Razor vs Bossman, HBK vs Savage and Bret vs Bam Bam.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 9, 2015 21:31:05 GMT -5
Not the topic, I know, but thats a pretty decent house show card with Perfect v Flair, Razor vs Bossman, HBK vs Savage and Bret vs Bam Bam. yeah really! last house show I went to had Rusev vs Justin Gabriel, Los Matadores vs RybAxel, Goldust and Cody vs Prime time Players, Ryder jobbed to someone, Bellas vs Alicia Fox and Aksana, and Cena vs Orton. what suckage! |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jan 9, 2015 21:54:16 GMT -5
I thnk he meant a televised ppv kind of program, house shows are different, a lot of wrestlers face each other at house shows, but doesn't mean they had a program together The WWF did have programs/feuds that was only for the house show circuit. One that comes to mind was when Mr. Fuji and Bobby Heenan has a feud on the house show circuit in the late '80's. I thnk he meant a televised ppv kind of program, house shows are different, a lot of wrestlers face each other at house shows, but doesn't mean they had a program together probably,but maybe Vince saw something he didn't like? several big feuds that almost happened actually did,during house shows or dark matches. but something didn't click for Vince,so they never got brought up to televised/PPV matches. Ultimate Warrior vs Andre, Ultimate Warrior vs Undertaker and Hogan vs Flair come to mind. perhaps the same thing happened here? Vince didn't like what he saw in 93, so when Randy went to him about having a PPV / TV feud with Michaels Vince said no? just speculation on my part. Speculation? Well, I do find your statements to be easily believed. Since the WWF was still a house show driven business well into 1993, programs would start on the house show circuit and later transition to television. If Vince McMahon felt those house show matches weren't good between Savage & Michaels, he wouldn't have it on television and on PPV. For 1993, it would have been an odd program to showcase between Savage & Michaels. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 10:58:21 GMT -5
Not the topic, I know, but thats a pretty decent house show card with Perfect v Flair, Razor vs Bossman, HBK vs Savage and Bret vs Bam Bam. Damn straight it is. I think we all just have to accept that Savage wanted to wrestle and be featured heavily. Vince didn't want that....and he left. Vince should have used a heel savage to put over Razor and Bret and the very least IMO. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jan 10, 2015 11:43:29 GMT -5
Not the topic, I know, but thats a pretty decent house show card with Perfect v Flair, Razor vs Bossman, HBK vs Savage and Bret vs Bam Bam. Damn straight it is. I think we all just have to accept that Savage wanted to wrestle and be featured heavily. Vince didn't want that....and he left. Vince should have used a heel savage to put over Razor and Bret and the very least IMO. One thing I bet is it must irk Bret Hart is he had nobody giving him the rub to legitimize his status as a main eventer in 1992-1993. What I find funny is Hulk Hogan mentioned on Talk Is Jericho that he told Piper he would have made millions by doing a clean job against him in 1984-1985. Fast forward to 1993, Hogan would have made good money by jobbing to Bret at SummerSlam 1993. Thus legitimizing Bret Hart's status as a main eventer. Going back to the OP, had Vince McMahon allowed Randy Savage to have a TV feud with Shawn Michaels, it would have helped Michaels' bottom line as a top attraction. I can tell Savage gave a damn and wanted to put over guys who needed that rub to propel them to the next level. Too bad McMahon was jaded and didn't allow Savage to "pass the torch" to guys like Hart and Michaels. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 10, 2015 11:53:36 GMT -5
Not the topic, I know, but thats a pretty decent house show card with Perfect v Flair, Razor vs Bossman, HBK vs Savage and Bret vs Bam Bam. yeah really! last house show I went to had Rusev vs Justin Gabriel, Los Matadores vs RybAxel, Goldust and Cody vs Prime time Players, Ryder jobbed to someone, Bellas vs Alicia Fox and Aksana, and Cena vs Orton. what suckage! Is it bad that the thing I'd want to see least on this card is Cena vs. Orton? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 11:56:38 GMT -5
yeah really! last house show I went to had Rusev vs Justin Gabriel, Los Matadores vs RybAxel, Goldust and Cody vs Prime time Players, Ryder jobbed to someone, Bellas vs Alicia Fox and Aksana, and Cena vs Orton. what suckage! Is it bad that the thing I'd want to see least on this card is Cena vs. Orton? Agreed. Anyway, Savage vs. HBK would've been good stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 12:53:50 GMT -5
Damn straight it is. I think we all just have to accept that Savage wanted to wrestle and be featured heavily. Vince didn't want that....and he left. Vince should have used a heel savage to put over Razor and Bret and the very least IMO. One thing I bet is it must irk Bret Hart is he had nobody giving him the rub to legitimize his status as a main eventer in 1992-1993. What I find funny is Hulk Hogan mentioned on Talk Is Jericho that he told Piper he would have made millions by doing a clean job against him in 1984-1985. Fast forward to 1993, Hogan would have made good money by jobbing to Bret at SummerSlam 1993. Thus legitimizing Bret Hart's status as a main eventer. Going back to the OP, had Vince McMahon allowed Randy Savage to have a TV feud with Shawn Michaels, it would have helped Michaels' bottom line as a top attraction. I can tell Savage gave a damn and wanted to put over guys who needed that rub to propel them to the next level. Too bad McMahon was jaded and didn't allow Savage to "pass the torch" to guys like Hart and Michaels. Yup. From 1992 onwards Savage still had some juice left in him as a credible top line heel.....something Vince definitely & desperately needed. Why Savage wasn't turned to feud with Hart I will never know....instead he was used as this bland and boring as f*ck face type character.....something he was NEVER good at IMO. Savage was a GREAT heel. The Backlund feud that Bret had could easily have been Savage really....and would have been 10-1000 times more entertaining. Its like Vinces VERY confusing use of Jerry Lawler. Few guys in the game were as good at being a heel.....Yet Vince didn't really use The King at all.....Hell when JJ came in he could have been Kings guy for F*ck sake....and had a blistering feud with Bret as Lawlers rep. Lawler and Savage could have been great heels trying to keep the young guys down and feuding with Vince's new generation of Hart, Razor, UT, Luger, Diesel, Kid etc etc. I have said it before.....Vince's use of the talent at his disposal in 1994-1996 is very confusing indeed at times. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 10, 2015 12:56:29 GMT -5
One thing I bet is it must irk Bret Hart is he had nobody giving him the rub to legitimize his status as a main eventer in 1992-1993. What I find funny is Hulk Hogan mentioned on Talk Is Jericho that he told Piper he would have made millions by doing a clean job against him in 1984-1985. Fast forward to 1993, Hogan would have made good money by jobbing to Bret at SummerSlam 1993. Thus legitimizing Bret Hart's status as a main eventer. Going back to the OP, had Vince McMahon allowed Randy Savage to have a TV feud with Shawn Michaels, it would have helped Michaels' bottom line as a top attraction. I can tell Savage gave a damn and wanted to put over guys who needed that rub to propel them to the next level. Too bad McMahon was jaded and didn't allow Savage to "pass the torch" to guys like Hart and Michaels. Yup. From 1992 onwards Savage still had some juice left in him as a credible top line heel.....something Vince definitely & desperately needed. Why Savage wasn't turned to feud with Hart I will never know.... The Backlund feud that Bret had could easily have been Savage really....and would have been 10-1000 times more entertaining. Its like Vinces VERY confusing use of Jerry Lawler. Few guys in the game were as good at being a heel.....Yet Vince didn't really use The King at all.....Hell when JJ came in he could have been Kings guy for F*ck sake....and had a blistering feud with Bret as Lawlers rep. Lawler and Savage could have been great heels trying to keep the young guys down and feuding with Vince's new generation of Hart, Razor, UT, Luger, Diesel, Kid etc etc.I have said it before.....Vince's use of the talent at his disposal in 1994-1996 is very confusing indeed at times. That reminds me of something. At the King of the Ring 94, I remember all those vignettes and promos on the PPV, hyping the WWF's "New Generation" with showing Hogan, Andre, Sheik, and Putski as the old. Yet, at that PPV, the main event was Roddy Piper vs. Jerry Lawler.... and a really bad match at that. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 10, 2015 13:00:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure when they could ever have had this feud. In 1993, Michaels was pretty busy with Tatanka, Jannetty and Mr Perfect. Then he got suspended, and after he came back for the ladder match, he was pretty much a manager for the remainder of 1994, by his own choosing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 13:00:59 GMT -5
Yup. From 1992 onwards Savage still had some juice left in him as a credible top line heel.....something Vince definitely & desperately needed. Why Savage wasn't turned to feud with Hart I will never know.... The Backlund feud that Bret had could easily have been Savage really....and would have been 10-1000 times more entertaining. Its like Vinces VERY confusing use of Jerry Lawler. Few guys in the game were as good at being a heel.....Yet Vince didn't really use The King at all.....Hell when JJ came in he could have been Kings guy for F*ck sake....and had a blistering feud with Bret as Lawlers rep. Lawler and Savage could have been great heels trying to keep the young guys down and feuding with Vince's new generation of Hart, Razor, UT, Luger, Diesel, Kid etc etc.I have said it before.....Vince's use of the talent at his disposal in 1994-1996 is very confusing indeed at times. That reminds me of something. At the King of the Ring 94, I remember all those vignettes and promos on the PPV, hyping the WWF's "New Generation" with showing Hogan, Andre, Sheik, and Putski as the old. Yet, at that PPV, the main event was Roddy Piper vs. Jerry Lawler.... and a really bad match at that. That match was the drizzling sh*ts and a really odd choice to be the main event (last match) of that show. |
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