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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Jan 16, 2015 4:38:02 GMT -5
Good on them for doing so.
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Post by Himmy! on Jan 16, 2015 4:50:52 GMT -5
I understand wwe's reasoning for wanting this but I disagree with it. They don't own wrestling. My feelings exactly. |
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Post by Bandit on Jan 16, 2015 5:39:09 GMT -5
What WWE should do really is have plenty of NXT shows that weekend in the smaller venues. Run two a day, a matinee and an evening show. Hell, maybe even have two different crews -- between the NXT show roster and the ready/half-ready trainees, they've got more than enough guys to be running a couple of venues. Zayn vs Owens headlining one crew. Neville, Itami and Balor on the other crew. Even throw in a main roster guy or two that isn't on the Mania card. Well they are going to have matches during Wrestlemania Axcess so a ring will be set up. Rumor has it that Friday there will either be a LIVE NXT Takeover Special or the next NXT TV Taping will be held. NXT will be having tapings on February 12 and February 18 which will take us up to/include the NXT show to be shown that Wednesday of Wrestlemania Week. So that would be the ideal time to do another set of tapings. |
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Post by Midnight on Jan 16, 2015 10:12:32 GMT -5
to be honest, indy feds shouldn't be using Wrestlemania & the WWE for free promotion WWE wants people to pay to go to THEIR events...not other feds. This isn't "wrestling celebration weekend" it's WWE Fan AXXess & Wrestlemania. Exactly how I feel. |
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Post by Jaz on Jan 16, 2015 10:44:20 GMT -5
I understand why WWE's trying to do this, but there's really no need to.
It's not like the indy events are taking any money away from WWE. I seriously doubt anyone is traveling to San Francisco to see an indy event. They're going for Wrestlemania, and everything else is just a bonus.
Plus, why should Vince care? These are wrestling events (What his Dad did) and WWE is sports entertainment, which is completely different....
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 16, 2015 10:48:11 GMT -5
Hear me out, please. Independent promotions, especially larger ones like ROH, do not get to tour the entire country mainly because they are regional with the support of their regional fans. Having an opportunity to reach thousands of die-hard wrestling fans who travel by plane/train/automobile is an exceptional way not only to share their work, but is ALSO a chance for local people to see these shows. Fans in California never get the opportunity to see ROH or any other major independent promotion like Dragon Gate or Evolve, etc. It is not worth it for them to travel to the other side of the country at a random time like November or something, because it's just not economic for them. Having a surplus (and I mean SURPLUS) of wrestling fans in the area provides them enough fans willing to attend a show to make it worth their long-distance production travel and talent transportation. I LOOK FORWARD to the shows because I don't get a chance to see them elsewhere. People attend indy shows on their own accord. WWE doesn't own the city, and they are acting like spoiled babies. Typical corporate monopoly bull5hit. They think just because they have a bunch of money that they can do whatever they want. Go  yourself! See, it doesn't need to be taken as personally as this. Chip said it best. It's WrestleMania weekend, not wrestling weekend. If the WWE wants the focus to be on them during their weekend, that's not the "evil" WWE hating everyone else. It's just smart business. |
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Post by Jaz on Jan 16, 2015 10:50:12 GMT -5
Hear me out, please. Independent promotions, especially larger ones like ROH, do not get to tour the entire country mainly because they are regional with the support of their regional fans. Having an opportunity to reach thousands of die-hard wrestling fans who travel by plane/train/automobile is an exceptional way not only to share their work, but is ALSO a chance for local people to see these shows. Fans in California never get the opportunity to see ROH or any other major independent promotion like Dragon Gate or Evolve, etc. It is not worth it for them to travel to the other side of the country at a random time like November or something, because it's just not economic for them. Having a surplus (and I mean SURPLUS) of wrestling fans in the area provides them enough fans willing to attend a show to make it worth their long-distance production travel and talent transportation. I LOOK FORWARD to the shows because I don't get a chance to see them elsewhere. People attend indy shows on their own accord. WWE doesn't own the city, and they are acting like spoiled babies. Typical corporate monopoly bull5hit. They think just because they have a bunch of money that they can do whatever they want. Go yourself! See, it doesn't need to be taken as personally as this. Chip said it best. It's WrestleMania weekend, not wrestling weekend. If the WWE wants the focus to be on them during their weekend, that's not the "evil" WWE hating everyone else. It's just smart business. I get what you mean, but no indy event is gonna overshadow Wrestlemania or take any money away from WWE. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 16, 2015 10:54:23 GMT -5
See, it doesn't need to be taken as personally as this. Chip said it best. It's WrestleMania weekend, not wrestling weekend. If the WWE wants the focus to be on them during their weekend, that's not the "evil" WWE hating everyone else. It's just smart business. I get what you mean, but no indy event is gonna overshadow Wrestlemania or take any money away from WWE. I mean, I know some people who have gone to an ROH show over going to Axxess. Regardless though, if they think WrestleMania is their weekend, I don't think that's such a bad thing. |
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Post by Jaz on Jan 16, 2015 11:03:55 GMT -5
I get what you mean, but no indy event is gonna overshadow Wrestlemania or take any money away from WWE. I mean, I know some people who have gone to an ROH show over going to Axxess. Regardless though, if they think WrestleMania is their weekend, I don't think that's such a bad thing. I think there's enough room for everybody. It's not really a huge issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 11:11:33 GMT -5
I mean, I know some people who have gone to an ROH show over going to Axxess. Regardless though, if they think WrestleMania is their weekend, I don't think that's such a bad thing. I think there's enough room for everybody. It's not really a huge issue. If an ROH show is taking away some attention and money that could be going towards people going to Axxess instead, yeah it is. WWE, especially this/last year, are in a big financial decline. Every ticket sold at the gate is worth more in concessions, merchandise, etc. They potentially lose a few hundred dollars for every fan that goes to an indy show over Axxess. If, say, 500 fans that were going to Axxess instead go to ROH, it's a potential tens of thousands or even over a hundred thousand dollars they could be missing out on. So, like mentioned before, I get why they're doing it. From a fan perspective, I don't care much for Axxess and would likely hit the ROH show instead myself. |
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jan 16, 2015 11:17:34 GMT -5
Maybe WWE needs to find better ways to entice crowds to their product if this is that big of a worry. Right now, if I wasn't working down the coast at that time, I would be tempted to hit the Bay Area for indies and Hoodslam over WrestleMania BECAUSE I know so much would be there. Does that suck for WWE? Sure. But a lot of that is on WWE.
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Post by Jaz on Jan 16, 2015 11:32:49 GMT -5
I think there's enough room for everybody. It's not really a huge issue. If an ROH show is taking away some attention and money that could be going towards people going to Axxess instead, yeah it is. WWE, especially this/last year, are in a big financial decline. Every ticket sold at the gate is worth more in concessions, merchandise, etc. They potentially lose a few hundred dollars for every fan that goes to an indy show over Axxess. If, say, 500 fans that were going to Axxess instead go to ROH, it's a potential tens of thousands or even over a hundred thousand dollars they could be missing out on. So, like mentioned before, I get why they're doing it. From a fan perspective, I don't care much for Axxess and would likely hit the ROH show instead myself. No ROH show is gonna take money away from WWE. Maybe a handful of people will go to ROH instead of Axxess, but most people who attend indy shows during Wrestlemania weekend are also attending Wrestlemania or a WWE event. WWE's financial state being what it is, has absolutely nothing to due with indy feds running shows on WM weekend. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jan 16, 2015 11:34:49 GMT -5
Considering Levi Stadium is like 45 minutes away from everything else, people will have to make some hard choices.
WWE needs to book a hell of a weekend if they want to outshine their competition that weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 11:40:33 GMT -5
If an ROH show is taking away some attention and money that could be going towards people going to Axxess instead, yeah it is. WWE, especially this/last year, are in a big financial decline. Every ticket sold at the gate is worth more in concessions, merchandise, etc. They potentially lose a few hundred dollars for every fan that goes to an indy show over Axxess. If, say, 500 fans that were going to Axxess instead go to ROH, it's a potential tens of thousands or even over a hundred thousand dollars they could be missing out on. So, like mentioned before, I get why they're doing it. From a fan perspective, I don't care much for Axxess and would likely hit the ROH show instead myself. No ROH show is gonna take money away from WWE. Maybe a handful of people will go to ROH instead of Axxess, but most people who attend indy shows during Wrestlemania weekend are also attending Wrestlemania or a WWE event. WWE's financial state being what it is, has absolutely nothing to due with indy feds running shows on WM weekend. I disagree. Wrestlemania does garner a large Indy fan base. I know of a few guys myself that skipped axxess for a show. There are a lot of American indies fans that travel from Europe who figure they can check out a show and Wrestlemania for a full awesome weekend of shows. I'm not sure what Wrestlecon is, but if there's former stars there, they might think they have a better shot at meeting some childhood favorites. Again, I don't agree with it. I just understand why they're doing it. |
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Post by K5 on Jan 16, 2015 13:54:07 GMT -5
Hear me out, please. Independent promotions, especially larger ones like ROH, do not get to tour the entire country mainly because they are regional with the support of their regional fans. Having an opportunity to reach thousands of die-hard wrestling fans who travel by plane/train/automobile is an exceptional way not only to share their work, but is ALSO a chance for local people to see these shows. Fans in California never get the opportunity to see ROH or any other major independent promotion like Dragon Gate or Evolve, etc. It is not worth it for them to travel to the other side of the country at a random time like November or something, because it's just not economic for them. Having a surplus (and I mean SURPLUS) of wrestling fans in the area provides them enough fans willing to attend a show to make it worth their long-distance production travel and talent transportation. I LOOK FORWARD to the shows because I don't get a chance to see them elsewhere. People attend indy shows on their own accord. WWE doesn't own the city, and they are acting like spoiled babies. Typical corporate monopoly bull5hit. They think just because they have a bunch of money that they can do whatever they want. Go yourself! See, it doesn't need to be taken as personally as this. Chip said it best. It's WrestleMania weekend, not wrestling weekend. If the WWE wants the focus to be on them during their weekend, that's not the "evil" WWE hating everyone else. It's just smart business. the issue there is the amount of power sign to the wwe. why are they able to decide if it's 'wrestling weekend'? the weekend is a tremendous boost for the whole industry. I understand a corporate entity looking to control their environment as much as possible, but they shouldn't be able to simply monopolize the area 'because they can'. WWE are literally trying to eliminate choice and own wrestling...no one should be okay with that. |
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Post by BØRNS on Jan 16, 2015 14:21:51 GMT -5
See, it doesn't need to be taken as personally as this. Chip said it best. It's WrestleMania weekend, not wrestling weekend. If the WWE wants the focus to be on them during their weekend, that's not the "evil" WWE hating everyone else. It's just smart business. the issue there is the amount of power sign to the wwe. why are they able to decide if it's 'wrestling weekend'? the weekend is a tremendous boost for the whole industry. I understand a corporate entity looking to control their environment as much as possible, but they shouldn't be able to simply monopolize the area 'because they can'. WWE are literally trying to eliminate choice and own wrestling...no one should be okay with that. Well said! |
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Post by BØRNS on Jan 16, 2015 14:24:14 GMT -5
Laugh my ing ass off. When interviewed if WWE has competition, Vince says "no". But bah gawd, those darn small Indy shows those 2 days are stealing away all our profits, shareholders! Go, look over there, that's why our corporation's stock crashed! |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 16, 2015 14:45:48 GMT -5
Laugh my ing ass off. When interviewed if WWE has competition, Vince says "no". But bah gawd, those darn small Indy shows those 2 days are stealing away all our profits, shareholders! Go, look over there, that's why our corporation's stock crashed! While they do take some money away, there is indeed no competition for the WWE right now. To think otherwise is laughable. |
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Post by China Claus on Jan 16, 2015 15:04:38 GMT -5
Seems like a little amendment called Freedom of Assembly could stop WWE from doing this.
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Post by BØRNS on Jan 16, 2015 17:18:25 GMT -5
Seems like a little amendment called Freedom of Assembly could stop WWE from doing this. Amen BROTHER |
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