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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 19:27:08 GMT -5
I would love to see Affleck directing himself as Batman.....hell yes.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 28, 2015 22:57:45 GMT -5
I'm sick of people saying ledger is the definitive joker. Yes he was great but he was simply one version of an iconic character. I prefer jack's joker but I hope this new version is based more around the animated series joker. To me that is the definitive version and what the joker should be.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 28, 2015 23:04:19 GMT -5
From Collider: The article also offers up a brief description of The Joker. Apparently he’s “scarred all over his body because of his battles with Batman.” He’s also got a habit of playing “mind games with people and twists [their] minds.” The JoBlo source also highlights, “everyone is afraid of him.”
If this description of The Joker is accurate, it would confirm that The Joker has a pre-established relationship with Batman. According to JoBlo, Ben Affleck’s Batman is “mentioned in the script and even shown on surveillance cameras” because Amanda Waller is “after him for something.” They don’t confirm that Affleck will appear in the film in the flesh, but do note that a cameo is dependent on his schedule, so there’s still “a good possibility” it could happen.Good.. I think the best part about everything Warner Bros are doing with DC is skipping the reboot, having an established Batman that is already tired of being Batman. I like the idea of a pre established Batman/Joker dynamic. However I dislike the notion that Bruce would be tired of being Batman.....Bruce is the façade.....not Batman. Also if the Joker is out there it makes the notion of this Batman being semi retired(or whatever) even more unpalatable to me. however I still look forward to Afflecks Batman & Letos Joker TREMENDOUSLY. This 100%. Bruce is the mask. Batman is the real person. The whole point of the character is that he'll never stop being batman. I hated that Nolan made Bruce want to give up the mantle. That was a complete 180 from what the character is truly about. I don't like that they're going with that subplot again in this new movieverse.
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Post by Word™ on Jan 28, 2015 23:37:01 GMT -5
I like the idea of a pre established Batman/Joker dynamic. However I dislike the notion that Bruce would be tired of being Batman.....Bruce is the façade.....not Batman. Also if the Joker is out there it makes the notion of this Batman being semi retired(or whatever) even more unpalatable to me. however I still look forward to Afflecks Batman & Letos Joker TREMENDOUSLY. This 100%. Bruce is the mask. Batman is the real person. The whole point of the character is that he'll never stop being batman. I hated that Nolan made Bruce want to give up the mantle. That was a complete 180 from what the character is truly about. I don't like that they're going with that subplot again in this new movieverse. With all his pain and suffering, Batman is still a human being.. He has no superpower. They still want it to be realistic in a sense that no sane person without superpowers is going to continue jumping roof to roof for 30+ years beating up bad guys. And going against bad guys like The Joker, The Riddler, Two-Face, etc..
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 28, 2015 23:43:33 GMT -5
This 100%. Bruce is the mask. Batman is the real person. The whole point of the character is that he'll never stop being batman. I hated that Nolan made Bruce want to give up the mantle. That was a complete 180 from what the character is truly about. I don't like that they're going with that subplot again in this new movieverse. With all his pain and suffering, Batman is still a human being.. He has no superpower. They still want it to be realistic in a sense that no sane person without superpowers is going to continue jumping roof to roof for 30+ years beating up bad guys. And going against bad guys like The Joker, The Riddler, Two-Face, etc.. This is set in a universe with superman. To try to portray batman as "realistic" when we have kryptonians and Wonder Woman running around with him makes no sense. Yes Bruce is a normal human buts he's a human at peak physical conditioning. Even the comics portray the things he does as somewhat unrealistic and to make us believe he can keep up with these God-like characters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 5:59:19 GMT -5
With all his pain and suffering, Batman is still a human being.. He has no superpower. They still want it to be realistic in a sense that no sane person without superpowers is going to continue jumping roof to roof for 30+ years beating up bad guys. And going against bad guys like The Joker, The Riddler, Two-Face, etc.. This is set in a universe with superman. To try to portray batman as "realistic" when we have kryptonians and Wonder Woman running around with him makes no sense. Yes Bruce is a normal human buts he's a human at peak physical conditioning. Even the comics portray the things he does as somewhat unrealistic and to make us believe he can keep up with these God-like characters. This is also why their decision to make Batman an "older gent" is a flawed one. there seems to be no genuine reason for it other than some misguided love for DKR and the fact that Supes and Bats faced off there. Its an awful pity that WB wouldn't commit to this DCCU until they seen the box office for MOS. There could have been hints dropped at the larger world without impacting the story.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 29, 2015 7:41:35 GMT -5
This is set in a universe with superman. To try to portray batman as "realistic" when we have kryptonians and Wonder Woman running around with him makes no sense. Yes Bruce is a normal human buts he's a human at peak physical conditioning. Even the comics portray the things he does as somewhat unrealistic and to make us believe he can keep up with these God-like characters. This is also why their decision to make Batman an "older gent" is a flawed one. there seems to be no genuine reason for it other than some misguided love for DKR and the fact that Supes and Bats faced off there. Its an awful pity that WB wouldn't commit to this DCCU until they seen the box office for MOS. There could have been hints dropped at the larger world without impacting the story. I like that they're starting with an experienced batman instead of another origin story, but why make him old? Put him in his prime. I dont see the appeal of an old man bats with a bunch of much younger heroes.
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Post by Mr. McCluer on Jan 29, 2015 10:10:14 GMT -5
I feel like they will make him in his prime.
Just because he has some gray in his hair doesn't mean anything. Affleck naturally has gray hair at this point in his life. It didn't look like they added much to it.
I don't think he'll be that old or broken down.
Maybe that's false hope but I can't believe they're that dense.
And why would you have a younger Superman and a retired Batman.
That is in no way setting up their universe for a win.
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Post by johnnyb on Jan 30, 2015 1:07:30 GMT -5
Snyder's description of the character made it sound like Batfleck is going to be well on his way to becoming a silver fox. Not Dark Knight Returns old, but I would say he likely has more wars behind him than before him. But hell, you've seen athletes perform at elite levels in their late-30s to early-40s so it's not like he goes right from the cowl to the walk-in Bat-tub.
I love everything I've seen and heard regarding the characterization and presentation of this Batman. As hard an act as Bale is going to be to follow, I'm pretty happy knowing that they're fiercely determined to get it right.
Really hoping there is indeed a trailer attached to Jupiter Ascending or whatever it's called. If WB really wanted to make a splash, they should plunk down the $15M or however much it is and debut a full-length teaser trailer during the Super Bowl.
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Post by Word™ on Jan 30, 2015 4:39:00 GMT -5
Dawn of Justice is literally over a full year away.. I can't figure out why WB is doing this unless they immediately plan on moving the release of Justice League into July or August of the same year.
And a March release.. All of this speculation is fun and all, but I literally have no idea what Warner Bros has going on.. And they've released a planned lineup!.. I'm convinced they're not convinced of what they're doing. I'm willing to put money on it that Dawn of Justice could be released this year, in August or November and make a killing.. If this film isn't attached to an immediate sequel that they secretly filmed, BvS will be finished and ready by July. I believe that to be fact.
Or I could blame Star Wars. Alot of it might have to do with Star Wars.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 10:09:27 GMT -5
Reports have literally said he is retired and 'seasoned'.. And that Superman destroying Metropolis is what puts him back in the suit. The Joker having scars all over his body for Suicide Squad definitely backs up the claim that Bruce Wayne has done this for a long, long time. Superman destroys Metropolis? I forgot about that story.
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Post by marino13 on Jan 30, 2015 11:19:39 GMT -5
I'm hoping he's 100% bats**t crazy but constantly having fun with it. No remorse and no rhyme or reason for any of his actions. So crazy that he doesn't even know what he's going to do till after he's done it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 13:00:41 GMT -5
I just hope they don't copy Ledger Joker. I'd like to see a little New 52 Joker.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 14:31:47 GMT -5
Dawn of Justice is literally over a full year away.. I can't figure out why WB is doing this unless they immediately plan on moving the release of Justice League into July or August of the same year. And a March release.. All of this speculation is fun and all, but I literally have no idea what Warner Bros has going on.. And they've released a planned lineup!.. I'm convinced they're not convinced of what they're doing. I'm willing to put money on it that Dawn of Justice could be released this year, in August or November and make a killing.. If this film isn't attached to an immediate sequel that they secretly filmed, BvS will be finished and ready by July. I believe that to be fact. Or I could blame Star Wars. Alot of it might have to do with Star Wars. I firmly believe that this could be ready this summer too. Wb blinked first and moved SvsB from the jam packed Summer....that at one point contained both A2 and SW.....now they just don't want to admit it IMO.
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Post by Word™ on Jan 30, 2015 16:36:17 GMT -5
Reports have literally said he is retired and 'seasoned'.. And that Superman destroying Metropolis is what puts him back in the suit. The Joker having scars all over his body for Suicide Squad definitely backs up the claim that Bruce Wayne has done this for a long, long time. Superman destroys Metropolis? I forgot about that story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 15:19:23 GMT -5
Well Leto bleached his hair blonde.. So I'm scared as to how the joker will even look, let alone his mannerisms
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Post by Mox on Mar 7, 2015 16:28:11 GMT -5
Well Leto bleached his hair blonde.. So I'm scared as to how the joker will even look, let alone his mannerisms He'll be fine. Bleaching is just the first step before going green. I have complete faith in Leto. If he can't do it, nobody can. I keep thinking about his role in Dallas Buyers Club and just how absolutely devastating his acting is. It will split fans 50/50 though for sure. The diehard Ledger nuts will never admit defeat, and some fans will be way too quick to declare Leto as the best.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 9, 2015 23:23:46 GMT -5
Hamills Joker(especially in Mask Of the Phantasm)will likely NEVER be bettered. Dini & Timm nailed him down in that movie......they really did. True, though I did really enjoy this Joker THAT'S John DiMaggio? I never would have guessed and I'm a gigantic voice-over nerd. I don't have many interests that don't require me to be a huge nerd...
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 10, 2015 17:12:01 GMT -5
I think you're misunderstanding how the new DC Universe may play out.. An already retired Batman, seasoned and exhausted both mentally and physically has hung up the cowl.. We have pictures of Ben Affleck looking older, so it's been established Bruce Wayne is very much older and seen some brutal battles as alter ego Batman.. From reports I'm only assuming that he comes out of retirement due to Superman's destruction of Metropolis among other things, connections he has made as Bruce Wayne may come into play with Lex. I'm expecting this to be somewhat of the story in Dawn of Justice, because sh*t is going to hit the fan real fast with each Justice League movie or tie in. They have no other choice, they're playing catch up. So starting with BvS everything is established except the Justice League, and I honestly expect the events of Man of Steel to bring Batman not out of complete retirement but mainly Justice League stuff. I expect his solo movies being more of a pre Man of Steel look at Bruce Wayne and Batman.. Because they've gone out of their way to make Ben Affleck look much older in BvS. It's my theory, I think it would be neat to see a couple different solo Batman movies.. Him pre Man of Steel, him post Justice League, etc.. They could take very interesting routes and I think Affleck knew that and is why WB has changed their tone a few times since the very first announcement of BvS.. He brought in his writer, his crew to work with Snyder.. Hell, we might get some Ben Affleck directed Batman films.. Which IMO is bigger than any Nolan/Batman anything. It's my 2 cents. I can't stand the fact that DC is pushing this stupid Bruce steps out of the mantle story if that's where there going. Yes they want it to be realistic but Bruce is the alterego. Batman is the true identity. The point is Bruce will never stop until there is no crime; which he knows will never happen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 21:36:38 GMT -5
I think you're misunderstanding how the new DC Universe may play out.. An already retired Batman, seasoned and exhausted both mentally and physically has hung up the cowl.. We have pictures of Ben Affleck looking older, so it's been established Bruce Wayne is very much older and seen some brutal battles as alter ego Batman.. From reports I'm only assuming that he comes out of retirement due to Superman's destruction of Metropolis among other things, connections he has made as Bruce Wayne may come into play with Lex. I'm expecting this to be somewhat of the story in Dawn of Justice, because sh*t is going to hit the fan real fast with each Justice League movie or tie in. They have no other choice, they're playing catch up. So starting with BvS everything is established except the Justice League, and I honestly expect the events of Man of Steel to bring Batman not out of complete retirement but mainly Justice League stuff. I expect his solo movies being more of a pre Man of Steel look at Bruce Wayne and Batman.. Because they've gone out of their way to make Ben Affleck look much older in BvS. It's my theory, I think it would be neat to see a couple different solo Batman movies.. Him pre Man of Steel, him post Justice League, etc.. They could take very interesting routes and I think Affleck knew that and is why WB has changed their tone a few times since the very first announcement of BvS.. He brought in his writer, his crew to work with Snyder.. Hell, we might get some Ben Affleck directed Batman films.. Which IMO is bigger than any Nolan/Batman anything. It's my 2 cents. I can't stand the fact that DC is pushing this stupid Bruce steps out of the mantle story if that's where there going. Yes they want it to be realistic but Bruce is the alterego. Batman is the true identity. The point is Bruce will never stop until there is no crime; which he knows will never happen. Which is the problem I had with the Nolan Batman.....He was really just putting on the costune to inspire people and then go into obscurity when things got quiet. Batman was just this idea he could drop any time it seemed. Batman is supposed to be who he truly is inside. That's all he can be to make sense out of his life. Nolan's Batman truly is how a guy would be in our real world if he dared try doing something that crazy- Get injured as all hell and get out before you get killed. But I still prefer the comic book/ fantasy aspect of him.
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