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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 12:47:01 GMT -5
Yes I know they claim 93,000 is the record but that has been proven to be wrong and was only 78,000.
There were 75,000 last year in New Orleans.
I see no reason why they can't legitimately get 90,000.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 20, 2015 13:17:16 GMT -5
There were like 78.5K in Miami at 28 when I went and that building was full.
I don't think there is any way humanly possible they'll put 105k people in that building. 90k would be incredible but they won't be able to do that without a major star inserted in the main event. If Austin wrestles, Punk returns, and HBK comes out of retirement... maybe. I don't think they could bribe 90K to go see Mania 31 right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 13:19:09 GMT -5
There were like 78.5K in Miami at 28 when I went and that building was full. I don't think there is any way humanly possible they'll put 105k people in that building. 90k would be incredible but they won't be able to do that without a major star inserted in the main event. If Austin wrestles, Punk returns, and HBK comes out of retirement... maybe. I don't think they could bribe 90K to go see Mania 31 right now. It's Wrestlemania. It'll sell out. I could see 95-100k easy if they can fit it.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 20, 2015 13:25:56 GMT -5
There were like 78.5K in Miami at 28 when I went and that building was full. I don't think there is any way humanly possible they'll put 105k people in that building. 90k would be incredible but they won't be able to do that without a major star inserted in the main event. If Austin wrestles, Punk returns, and HBK comes out of retirement... maybe. I don't think they could bribe 90K to go see Mania 31 right now. It's Wrestlemania. It'll sell out. I could see 95-100k easy if they can fit it. They didn't even sell out WrestleMania 29... and that was in NY/NJ. When has WWE ever come even remotely close to putting 95,000 people in a building to watch wrestling? One imaginary time in 1987 by my count.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 20, 2015 13:43:01 GMT -5
It's Wrestlemania. It'll sell out. I could see 95-100k easy if they can fit it. They didn't even sell out WrestleMania 29... and that was in NY/NJ. When has WWE ever come even remotely close to putting 95,000 people in a building to watch wrestling? One imaginary time in 1987 by my count. WrestleMania 29 didn't sell out?
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Post by RybackV1 on Jan 20, 2015 14:10:49 GMT -5
They didn't even sell out WrestleMania 29... and that was in NY/NJ. When has WWE ever come even remotely close to putting 95,000 people in a building to watch wrestling? One imaginary time in 1987 by my count. WrestleMania 29 didn't sell out? 80,000 people ... Yeah it sold out. Idk what he's talkin about I can see Dallas hitting 90K in the new Cowboy Staduim for Mania. Just build a killer Austin match , let taker have a proper retirement , could be one of the better manias ever. But that's too far to rell
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 20, 2015 14:16:32 GMT -5
They didn't even sell out WrestleMania 29... and that was in NY/NJ. When has WWE ever come even remotely close to putting 95,000 people in a building to watch wrestling? One imaginary time in 1987 by my count. WrestleMania 29 didn't sell out? That stadium accommodates 83,000 people. WWE chases that building attendance record every single place they go for Mania. If the demand was there, they would have made it happen and told the entire world how they entertained more fans than the Super Bowl.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 14:31:22 GMT -5
Metlife Stadium holds capacity for 82,500. The attendance for WM29 was 80,676 paid attendants. That does not include any seats that were given to family/freinds/etc. It was a sell out.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 20, 2015 14:33:51 GMT -5
Metlife Stadium holds capacity for 82,500. The attendance for WM29 was 80,676 paid attendants. That does not include any seats that were given to family/freinds/etc. It was a sell out. That 1000% does include comp tickets. I've worked for an arena. I know how it works. An actual sell out and almost a sell out are not the same thing. But you believe whatever you want.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 14:35:35 GMT -5
Metlife Stadium holds capacity for 82,500. The attendance for WM29 was 80,676 paid attendants. That does not include any seats that were given to family/freinds/etc. It was a sell out. That 1000% does include comp tickets. I've worked for an arena. I know how it works. An actual sell out and almost a sell out are not the same thing. But you believe whatever you want. So worst case scenario, they missed a sell out by less than 2,000 tickets. It was the 2nd highest attendance recorded for a Wrestlemania. Not sure why you don't think they can sell 90+ when capacity has a shot at roughly 100k.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 20, 2015 14:40:34 GMT -5
That 1000% does include comp tickets. I've worked for an arena. I know how it works. An actual sell out and almost a sell out are not the same thing. But you believe whatever you want. So worst case scenario, they missed a sell out by less than 2,000 tickets. It was the 2nd highest attendance recorded for a Wrestlemania. Not sure why you don't think they can sell 90+ when capacity has a shot at roughly 100k. Because that's an extra 20,000 wrestling fans. I don't think the demand is there. I mean this isn't something I care if I'm right or wrong on but the industry is down. WWE's demand in general, their stock, the ratings, all down. So to me, even with the spectacle of Mania, you have to have something that's going to drive unusual volume to the event. I genuinely hope they break 93K. I can image that is their goal, but I'm saying if you put what will seemingly be the card for Mania 31 in that stadium in Dallas, I don't think they would break 90K, is my point. The Rock, Austin, HBK, Taker, Hogan, WWE is going to have to pump every ounce of the machine behind it, I think. And to be clear, I'm not saying they can't to do it, at all. I just don't think they can sit back and expect 105K people to buy tickets just because WrestleMania is in town. They haven't had an attendance break 85K have they? 80K is the second all time behind the fictional 93k, so what we're talking about is WWE going 10,15, 20K people over their most recent biggest accomplishment ever. That's a ton of people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 14:43:48 GMT -5
So worst case scenario, they missed a sell out by less than 2,000 tickets. It was the 2nd highest attendance recorded for a Wrestlemania. Not sure why you don't think they can sell 90+ when capacity has a shot at roughly 100k. Because that's an extra 20,000 wrestling fans. I don't think the demand is there. I mean this isn't something I care if I'm right or wrong on but the industry is down. WWE's demand in general, their stock, the ratings, all down. So to me, even with the spectacle of Mania, you have to have something that's going to drive unusual volume to the event. I genuinely hope they break 93K. I can image that is their goal, but I'm saying if you put what will seemingly be the card for Mania 31 in that stadium in Dallas, I don't think they would break 90K, is my point. The Rock, Austin, HBK, Taker, Hogan, WWE is going to have to pump every ounce of the machine behind it, I think. I don't think they need any of those guys. Sure, they'd help, but with the roster they're building now, a year from now, they shouldn't have a problem assuming they book it right. New York also raises different problems that Texas really doesn't. New York is ing expensive, and you travel on your own dime a decent hotel can run you 300$ a night alone. Factor in food, car rentals, flights and tickets and it's going to cost at least a few grand most likely. A lot of that doesn't factor into WM 32 as much. I'm not saying it's why it didn't sell out, but I wouldn't be surprised if that deterred a lot of people.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 20, 2015 14:51:45 GMT -5
Because that's an extra 20,000 wrestling fans. I don't think the demand is there. I mean this isn't something I care if I'm right or wrong on but the industry is down. WWE's demand in general, their stock, the ratings, all down. So to me, even with the spectacle of Mania, you have to have something that's going to drive unusual volume to the event. I genuinely hope they break 93K. I can image that is their goal, but I'm saying if you put what will seemingly be the card for Mania 31 in that stadium in Dallas, I don't think they would break 90K, is my point. The Rock, Austin, HBK, Taker, Hogan, WWE is going to have to pump every ounce of the machine behind it, I think. I don't think they need any of those guys. Sure, they'd help, but with the roster they're building now, a year from now, they shouldn't have a problem assuming they book it right. New York also raises different problems that Texas really doesn't. New York is ing expensive, and you travel on your own dime a decent hotel can run you 300$ a night alone. Factor in food, car rentals, flights and tickets and it's going to cost at least a few grand most likely. A lot of that doesn't factor into WM 32 as much. I'm not saying it's why it didn't sell out, but I wouldn't be surprised if that deterred a lot of people. Cold weather too. Absolutely a factor imo in NY/NJ that time of year. To be fair, New York is more of a travel destination for people over Dallas though, at least I would think. If I'm from another country, or even another state, New York is probably on my list of places to visit and a cool place to see a Mania. As big a fan I am of the city of Dallas, I don't think it has that same general appeal in the minds of the masses. Which is a factor imo. WWE is going to have to depend on the local market to fill out the bulk of the remaining 10-20k people to hit that big number mark of 90k imo. The travel people and hardcore fans are likely going no matter what. So either there has to be more of those fans than usual, or the local market has to really show up huge for them. That's why I think they need Stone Cold's name on the marquee.
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Post by Dan on Jan 20, 2015 14:53:16 GMT -5
I think they are going to have to bank on Austin having a Match. Stone Cold vs John Cena is probably going to be the Main Event. Undertaker vs Sting would be a rough guess as the other high profile Match on the Card.
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Post by futureisrollins on Jan 20, 2015 17:05:24 GMT -5
What's the deal with the "fictional" part of the 93,000? I didn't know there was a controversy.
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Post by Rob on Jan 20, 2015 17:15:30 GMT -5
Not with WWE's current talent pool. They'll need some mega stars to be able to sell out a 95-100k stadium.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 20, 2015 17:24:56 GMT -5
What's the deal with the "fictional" part of the 93,000? I didn't know there was a controversy. A few years ago Meltzer apparently got gate figures from Mania 3 that put the actual number around 78,000ish. As much as I joke about it, I honestly think the 93K total is closer to accurate than not, but the truth probably falls someplace in the middle. It really doesn't matter because the height of Hulkamania isn't comparable to what is going on right now in WWE.
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Post by futureisrollins on Jan 20, 2015 17:44:53 GMT -5
What's the deal with the "fictional" part of the 93,000? I didn't know there was a controversy. A few years ago Meltzer apparently got gate figures from Mania 3 that put the actual number around 78,000ish. As much as I joke about it, I honestly think the 93K total is closer to accurate than not, but the truth probably falls someplace in the middle. It really doesn't matter because the height of Hulkamania isn't comparable to what is going on right now in WWE. Ahh okay thanks. I agree with you though. It'd probably take at least 2-3 of either; Stone Cold, Shawn, Taker, Sting, Hogan, or Rock, to draw that many people.
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Post by LA Times on Jan 20, 2015 22:26:08 GMT -5
They wont get anywhere near 90,000. All the matches that couldve drawn that many like Rock vs John Cena, Undertaker vs Brock Lesnar, Sting vs HHH, etc have been or will be done by then.
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Post by LA Times on Jan 20, 2015 22:31:11 GMT -5
A few years ago Meltzer apparently got gate figures from Mania 3 that put the actual number around 78,000ish. As much as I joke about it, I honestly think the 93K total is closer to accurate than not, but the truth probably falls someplace in the middle. It really doesn't matter because the height of Hulkamania isn't comparable to what is going on right now in WWE. Ahh okay thanks. I agree with you though. It'd probably take at least 2-3 of either; Stone Cold, Shawn, Taker, Sting, Hogan, or Rock, to draw that many people. 5 out of those 6 guys are 50. How much can the WWE really depend on them?
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