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Post by theMOESIAH on Jan 28, 2015 1:08:10 GMT -5
It's all about context and the sensibilities of whomever is reading it. If I were to call done a stupid bitch, should the ladies here (assuming there are any) get today with that? My advice? Everyone needs to mellow the  out. Oh yeah, and stop assuming that being offended puts you in the right. I don't know where people got the idea that they have some fundamental right to not be offended... I don't know where people got the idea that they shouldn't be called out on their bullcrap. Where does it end? If you look hard enough you can find someone to be offended by just about anything. |
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Post by slappy on Jan 28, 2015 1:19:11 GMT -5
I don't know where people got the idea that they shouldn't be called out on their bullcrap. Where does it end? If you look hard enough you can find someone to be offended by just about anything. Why does it have to end? Why are those that are offended attacked for being offended? Why don't the people doing and saying offensive things not do or say offensive things? |
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jan 28, 2015 1:40:45 GMT -5
I hate how sensitive the world has become. Demolition Man is becoming a reality!!! |
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Post by The Future on Jan 28, 2015 15:14:19 GMT -5
I was never trying to censor anyone. Or get the word removed. Or revoke the first amendment. I just want people to consider the power their words have and be considerate.
I'm just trying to bring something that troubles me to light, not to be the PC police. If you choose to disregard that, fine. I'm not trying to change the tide, and people will always scream 'oh you're too sensitive'. But if people never said something about what they deem to be an injustice, or a marginalization, we'd still be in a feudal, segregated society.
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Post by The Future on Jan 28, 2015 15:18:37 GMT -5
I don't see how this is comparable to someone saying something nationalistically or religiously insensitive. I just don't hear people sling around words as casually as I do people this term. Speaking from my experience, people aren't throwing 'Jews Jews Jews' or 'Guidos' about left and right. And if they do, they at least are using it in a proper context where they know they're going to catch the ire of certain people. Most times people use the word I'm addressing don't even use it correctly, and nobody bats an eye. i hear all sorts of religious or nationally themed words slung around as insults actually...i'm not condoning it, nor am i ok with the r word...but it is quite common people drop 'hard j's' quite often in reference to being cheap, or trying to haggle when i curse (while alone at home), i'll often refer to several members of the christian religion in place of a four letter word here or there, people that heard me would take great offense to it the r word & calling people 'gay' IS very insensitive, I agree...but just about everything said is insensitive -- road dogg on raw said 'cotton pickin'' - I used to say it not realizing it's meaning & immediately stopped - it's pretty terrible we don't know what we're saying 'master bedroom' is technically even from a time where there was a master & slave...pretty darn insensitive - many times people don't realize how much so Honestly, I never troubled the use of most of those terms either until I became more sensitive to the impact what I say has on others. I have tons of friends and students society would classify as 'lesser than', and that word is only encouraging their dehumanization. If you realize what you're saying hurts people, and still continue to do it, fine. I just think awareness is in order. The 'master bedroom' and cotton pickin' aren't terms people even really know are offensive. I think we overlook the etymology of words and terms all the time because we just get used to parroting. |
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Post by K5 on Jan 28, 2015 17:21:30 GMT -5
my opinion would be to censor the word. change it to r***** and with repeated use of it issue warnings. it IS needless, and in my opinion a lot more offensive when used derogatorily than a word like ' '. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 17:47:54 GMT -5
You just have to accept that these words are thrown around like slang, like when people refer to stuff they do as "shit."
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Post by ✖ AJ on Jan 28, 2015 17:50:36 GMT -5
Sounds to me like OP is  |
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Jan 28, 2015 18:36:27 GMT -5
Sounds to me like OP is |
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jan 28, 2015 19:12:44 GMT -5
Where does it end? If you look hard enough you can find someone to be offended by just about anything. Why does it have to end? Why are those that are offended attacked for being offended? Why don't the people doing and saying offensive things not do or say offensive things? Because freedom of speech exists. If you don't like what someone has to say then you don't have to listen. Just think about how the world would be if everyone had to censor themselves just because someone got offended. There would be no Christmas or any other religious holiday because people of other faiths and/or the atheists could get offended. Remember stand up comedians? Yeah well in your apparent ideal America they would be gone. They'd probably one of the first things to go. There isn't one aspect of life that wouldn't get thoroughly raped by this. Just think of the way politicians could abuse it. The freedom from bring offended doesn't exist because it would never end. People like you would bitch and bitch until everything is nice and sterile and everyone talks, acts, thinks and behaves the same way. What you're asking for is the recipe to fascism my friend. |
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Post by slappy on Jan 28, 2015 19:27:22 GMT -5
Why does it have to end? Why are those that are offended attacked for being offended? Why don't the people doing and saying offensive things not do or say offensive things? Because freedom of speech exists. If you don't like what someone has to say then you don't have to listen. Just think about how the world would be if everyone had to censor themselves just because someone got offended. There would be no Christmas or any other religious holiday because people of other faiths and/or the atheists could get offended. Remember stand up comedians? Yeah well in your apparent ideal America they would be gone. They'd probably one of the first things to go. There isn't one aspect of life that wouldn't get thoroughly raped by this. Just think of the way politicians could abuse it. The freedom from bring offended doesn't exist because it would never end. People like you would bitch and bitch until everything is nice and sterile and everyone talks, acts, thinks and behaves the same way. What you're asking for is the recipe to fascism my friend. Freedom of speech applies to the government. It means the government cannot stop you from saying it. It does not mean I cannot say what you are saying is awful. I am not saying the government should get involved. I'm saying why would you use offensive words when you know they are offensive? If you use offensive words, expect to be called out. |
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Post by Hulk Who? on Jan 28, 2015 21:22:11 GMT -5
Because freedom of speech exists. If you don't like what someone has to say then you don't have to listen. Just think about how the world would be if everyone had to censor themselves just because someone got offended. There would be no Christmas or any other religious holiday because people of other faiths and/or the atheists could get offended. Remember stand up comedians? Yeah well in your apparent ideal America they would be gone. They'd probably one of the first things to go. There isn't one aspect of life that wouldn't get thoroughly raped by this. Just think of the way politicians could abuse it. The freedom from bring offended doesn't exist because it would never end. People like you would bitch and bitch until everything is nice and sterile and everyone talks, acts, thinks and behaves the same way. What you're asking for is the recipe to fascism my friend. Freedom of speech applies to the government. It means the government cannot stop you from saying it. It does not mean I cannot say what you are saying is awful. I am not saying the government should get involved. I'm saying why would you use offensive words when you know they are offensive? If you use offensive words, expect to be called out. I guess the important question is 'to whom is it offensive?' For something to just be deemed offensive in general is to say everyone, or everyone decent, thinks the same and we don't, we're sure working towards it though. Calling for banning words is also offensive to many people, and it will get you called out too. Banning words doesn't even attempt to address underlying thinking anyway, just signs of it. And if the culture begins to believe in banning words, that would be how the government would start to ban words. |
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Post by slappy on Jan 28, 2015 21:25:03 GMT -5
Freedom of speech applies to the government. It means the government cannot stop you from saying it. It does not mean I cannot say what you are saying is awful. I am not saying the government should get involved. I'm saying why would you use offensive words when you know they are offensive? If you use offensive words, expect to be called out. I guess the important question is 'to whom is it offensive?' For something to just be deemed offensive in general is to say everyone, or everyone decent, thinks the same and we don't, we're sure working towards it though. The words you're using are also offensive to many people, and they're calling you out for it. Banning words doesn't even attempt to address underlying thinking anyway, just signs of it. WF is a private place. They can do what they want. They can ban people from talking about basketball if they want and it wouldn't be infringing on the first amendment. So if WF wants to ban words, they can. It's just the government that can't. Those that use offensive words even after being told they are offensive will never want to address the underlying thinking. |
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jan 28, 2015 21:49:22 GMT -5
Because freedom of speech exists. If you don't like what someone has to say then you don't have to listen. Just think about how the world would be if everyone had to censor themselves just because someone got offended. There would be no Christmas or any other religious holiday because people of other faiths and/or the atheists could get offended. Remember stand up comedians? Yeah well in your apparent ideal America they would be gone. They'd probably one of the first things to go. There isn't one aspect of life that wouldn't get thoroughly raped by this. Just think of the way politicians could abuse it. The freedom from bring offended doesn't exist because it would never end. People like you would bitch and bitch until everything is nice and sterile and everyone talks, acts, thinks and behaves the same way. What you're asking for is the recipe to fascism my friend. Freedom of speech applies to the government. It means the government cannot stop you from saying it. It does not mean I cannot say what you are saying is awful. I am not saying the government should get involved. I'm saying why would you use offensive words when you know they are offensive? If you use offensive words, expect to be called out. Freedom of speech applies to everyone. No one has the right to prevent anyone else from saying something just because they don't like it. However it is fair to be to be called out for saying soldering offensive. It appears we are at a stand still, so if you will just admit you are wrong and apologize we can all move on. lol. |
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Post by slappy on Jan 28, 2015 21:53:18 GMT -5
Freedom of speech applies to the government. It means the government cannot stop you from saying it. It does not mean I cannot say what you are saying is awful. I am not saying the government should get involved. I'm saying why would you use offensive words when you know they are offensive? If you use offensive words, expect to be called out. Freedom of speech applies to everyone. No one has the right to prevent anyone else from saying something just because they don't like it. However it is fair to be to be called out for saying soldering offensive. It appears we are at a stand still, so if you will just admit you are wrong and apologize we can all move on. lol. Freedom of speech is only about the government curtailing it. It has nothing to do with me telling you not to say offensive things. |
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jan 28, 2015 22:01:53 GMT -5
Freedom of speech applies to everyone. No one has the right to prevent anyone else from saying something just because they don't like it. However it is fair to be to be called out for saying soldering offensive. It appears we are at a stand still, so if you will just admit you are wrong and apologize we can all move on. lol. Freedom of speech is only about the government curtailing it. It has nothing to do with me telling you not to say offensive things. I don't think I was clear enough on my point. What I meant was no one can censor someone in an official or legal capacity for saying something they did not like. For example you couldn't sue me for saying intellectually- disabled person. Of course someone could tell someone not to say anything. That's what I meant by using the word censor but I should have just explained this from the beginning. |
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Post by Hulk Who? on Jan 28, 2015 22:15:54 GMT -5
I guess the important question is 'to whom is it offensive?' For something to just be deemed offensive in general is to say everyone, or everyone decent, thinks the same and we don't, we're sure working towards it though. The words you're using are also offensive to many people, and they're calling you out for it. Banning words doesn't even attempt to address underlying thinking anyway, just signs of it. WF is a private place. They can do what they want. They can ban people from talking about basketball if they want and it wouldn't be infringing on the first amendment. So if WF wants to ban words, they can. It's just the government that can't. Those that use offensive words even after being told they are offensive will never want to address the underlying thinking. Another obvious point to make is you should want people to signal the possibly offensive ideas they have by saying or writing them publicly or privately, not keep them a secret. That way you know what kind of person/people they are and can deal with them from there, otherwise everyone just wears a mask of decency and we continue telling the big lie about how wonderful we all are, as in 'common human decency.' I can't really believe in such a thing after the last century, lots of technological developments, but a lot of killing and madness too. I think it's good that Hitler and the Nazis told us exactly what they thought, that way others could feel good about invading Europe to kill so many of them. I'm partly trying to say I'm on the side of sympathizing with those building a backlog of horrible memories rather than good ones, but I'm not sure banning words really gets them anything. We're seeing odd types of people now, like for example ones who think that it's offensive to talk about Nazis and WW2 at all, rather than the other way around, that failing to remember and not talking about them is offensive. Or that a sort of social progress is just guaranteed with time progression, things like dark ages and world wars were supposed to dissuade us of that I thought. Civilization is an attempt to shelter from natural selection, so empowerment isn't guaranteed, it's been quite a fight from the time we were sacrificing the first born male. And I would of course insist anyone being cruel is a an a--hole who should be ostracized or worse, the sight of it makes me sick. But my good intentioned reactions to that sick feeling can have unforeseen consequences. |
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Post by anxietydestroys on Jan 28, 2015 22:17:16 GMT -5
I'm offended that a word or phrase offends people. Bunch of vaginas.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Jan 28, 2015 23:04:59 GMT -5
I'm offended that a word or phrase offends people. Bunch of vaginas. But, your name is anxiety destroys, and it does, that's part of what they're saying, sometimes hearing offensive words can induce anxiety and trauma, never had a bad break up? The sub and/or unconscious aren't all that controllable, or you wouldn't have bad memories or get crappy songs you hate stuck in your head or have your mind tell you lies every night in the form of dreams that are out of your control and often upsetting. I'm just not sure controlling speech stops any of that. What to do about it has been talked and written about quite a bit. You can end up getting 'triggered' by any word you've made a bad association with, ones that appear innocuous to everyone else. It's on the offended or traumatized person to get back to healthier thinking, simply because no one else can do that for anyone else, the best anyone else can do is help. It could really be that you were raped, and hearing about the topic or similar words like rapier or rapper greatly upsets you when you see or hear them, but based on that, you can't seriously try to get everyone to stop using the words. |
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Post by ¡Twist Of 45 and 47! on Jan 29, 2015 1:12:51 GMT -5
I'm offended that a word or phrase offends people. Bunch of vaginas. This. Those offended should grow a pair. |
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