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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Feb 3, 2015 6:01:51 GMT -5
If they didn't make it so obvious as to is gonna win the Rumble the past few years, they wouldn't have to do stuff like this. Whenever I don't know who will win it I don't care as much. When WWE pretty much says "Cena will win" "Batista will win" "Reigns will win" that's when I have a problem with it. I did not think Sheamus was gonna win and I ended up enjoying his Mania build, unlike the past 3 rumbles. That isn't WWE's fault tbh. Weeks before he won the Rumble he was facing the Big Show, how does that possibly indicate he'll be winning the Rumble? Well winning Superstar of the Year when he'd had a pretty uneventful year compared to others I took as an indication. And how he was suddenly a huge deal when he returned as well. I liked the slow build he was getting after the SHIELD broke, then he returns and I thought he was rushed back up which no one likes to see. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 7:48:50 GMT -5
If they add Bryan to the main event, and/or make it anything other than Roman vs. Brock, I'll skip watching WM. I'll just watch the Sting match the next day.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Feb 3, 2015 8:16:22 GMT -5
Bryan has to win this right? Like they won't try to get Reigns over as a face by first looking "REALLY STRONG" in the Rumble after the crowd died, only to have him go over Bryan (probably) clean after planting the seeds for an underdog story a year in the making, right? They won't make the same mistake twice, RIGHT?
Oh wait, we're talking about the same company that had to remedy widespread fan backlash after the babyface flavor of the month won the Royal Rumble over Bryan...twice.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 3, 2015 9:51:05 GMT -5
They're definitely feeding Bryan to Reigns. They will try and manufacturer a memorable win out of him because Bryan has quality matches with everyone but then they'll be full steam ahead towards Mania with Reigns.
It's probably the worst decision they could possibly make but I do think they're flirting with a heel turn right now. Either that or they thought Roman being incredibly douchey last night made him look bad ass. So if Reigns goes over Bryan to a chorus of boos, and he's supposed to be getting booed, then they did it right.
You have to ask, what is left for Reigns if he doesn't face Lesnar? They have nothing lined up as far as I can tell and Bryan has this rumored match with Ziggler, even as arbitrarily thrown together as it seems. Worst case scenario Bryan has Sheamus. I just think they're going to make a bad situation worse by trying to further prove that Reigns is worthy.
I guess we'll see. If they aren't willing to budge on Reigns being the top face right now then I think they need to be prepared for the exact same reactions that occurred at Rumble. The reaction might actually be worse since Reigns will be in direct conflict with the Yes! movement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 10:10:17 GMT -5
If they didn't make it so obvious as to is gonna win the Rumble the past few years, they wouldn't have to do stuff like this. Whenever I don't know who will win it I don't care as much. When WWE pretty much says "Cena will win" "Batista will win" "Reigns will win" that's when I have a problem with it. I did not think Sheamus was gonna win and I ended up enjoying his Mania build, unlike the past 3 rumbles. That isn't WWE's fault tbh. Weeks before he won the Rumble he was facing the Big Show, how does that possibly indicate he'll be winning the Rumble? He won superstar of the year for virtually doing nothing compared to the others nominated.. He was put in the VIP mania axess before winning the Rumble. He was added to the closing sequence of the Raw intro before winning. He was placed on the front center of the Mania poster or whatever it was. It's just been little things that have made it so obvious |
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Feb 3, 2015 10:17:13 GMT -5
It's all terrible booking. Speaking in terms of kayfabe, if Bryan and The Authority both supposedly knew he was owed a rematch, what was the point of him entering the Rumble match in the first place?
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Post by Adam on Feb 3, 2015 10:23:41 GMT -5
I have no problem with the story. They made it pretty clear in the backstage segment afterward that Triple H and Steph knew they couldn't strip Roman of his Rumble match, and just manipulated him into defending it.
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Post by dod0411 on Feb 3, 2015 10:25:18 GMT -5
If they add Bryan to the main event, and/or make it anything other than Roman vs. Brock, I'll skip watching WM. I'll just watch the Sting match the next day. Same |
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 3, 2015 10:28:30 GMT -5
I have no problem with the story. They made it pretty clear in the backstage segment afterward that Triple H and Steph knew they couldn't strip Roman of his Rumble match, and just manipulated him into defending it. I thought this was a nice touch. It honestly kind of made Roman look like an idiot. I think this helps the Sting angle too. All of the manipulation, the involvement in match outcomes, swaying the product towards "best for business" is going to play right into Sting's confrontation with HHH imo. My only problem with that segment was they were too deliberate with the Randy Orton stuff. I know we are getting that match, I think it's going to be awesome, but they could have been more subtle about it. I think it immediately led me to believe that Rollins would lose later in the night. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 3, 2015 11:35:33 GMT -5
Steve Austin said it on his podcast a few weeks ago. "In a lot of fan's eyes, Roman hasn't paid any dues to earn this spot." Putting him in the ring with a guy who never has a bad match is a way to get this done. I see Roman winning, Bryan shaking his hand as a show of respect and moving onto WrestleMania. Gets Roman a quality singles match under his belt (the one with Orton at SummerSlam was dull until a nice finishing sequence) before he moves onto the biggest stage possible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 11:50:41 GMT -5
With that same logic, you could say Vince McMahon should've main evented Wrestlemania 15 against The Rock after winning the 1999 Royal Rumble.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Feb 3, 2015 11:54:03 GMT -5
With that same logic, you could say Vince McMahon should've main evented Wrestlemania 15 against The Rock after winning the 1999 Royal Rumble. From a storyline perspective, though, it actually made sense. There wasn't any "controversy" regarding the finish; Vince simply just forfeited his victory. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 11:59:27 GMT -5
With that same logic, you could say Vince McMahon should've main evented Wrestlemania 15 against The Rock after winning the 1999 Royal Rumble. From a storyline perspective, though, it actually made sense. There wasn't any "controversy" regarding the finish; Vince simply just forfeited his victory. I see your point. Although, I think Vince McMahon took more bumps and worked harder during the 1999 Rumble than Roman Reigns did in 2015. |
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Post by HHH316 on Feb 3, 2015 12:28:24 GMT -5
I'm leaning towards a Reigns win & afterwards Bryan shakes hands with him. As a way to give Roman his blessing & support in front of the fans. So then maybe the fans will get off his back. But I don't see it working out well.
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Post by Dan on Feb 3, 2015 12:37:22 GMT -5
After last night's crowd reaction, I'm willing to think that Reigns will still win at Fast Lane and go on to Wrestlemania. If they'd of reaction like the Royal Rumble Crowd did, then I'd genuinely be thinking that there's a good chance Bryan could do Reigns at Fast Lane. As much as they bent around the bush to try and get this scenario, it still makes no logical sense as at the end of the day Roman could still have said "No", and he'd be going on to Wrestlemania anyway. He's basically putting everything at risk for no real reason in storyline sense, which I just didn't get.
The best thing they could do in my opinion would be to have Brock Lesnar vs Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania, with Seth Rollins cashing in, and Roman Reigns vs The Rock at Wrestlemania.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 12:43:50 GMT -5
There's no way WWE would do the same thing twice both years WrestleMania XXVIII - John Cena v. The Rock was dubbed "Once in a Lifetime," and had a documentary made about it. WrestleMania XXIX - John Cena v. The Rock threw all of that out the window. To me, once is a very specific amount and lifetime is a very specific length of time. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 12:45:35 GMT -5
After last night's crowd reaction, I'm willing to think that Reigns will still win at Fast Lane and go on to Wrestlemania. If they'd of reaction like the Royal Rumble Crowd did, then I'd genuinely be thinking that there's a good chance Bryan could do Reigns at Fast Lane. As much as they bent around the bush to try and get this scenario, it still makes no logical sense as at the end of the day Roman could still have said "No", and he'd be going on to Wrestlemania anyway. He's basically putting everything at risk for no real reason in storyline sense, which I just didn't get. The best thing they could do in my opinion would be to have Brock Lesnar vs Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania, with Seth Rollins cashing in, and Roman Reigns vs The Rock at Wrestlemania. He didn't know the Authority couldn't strip him of the match. Kayfabe wise it makes sense. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 3, 2015 13:03:22 GMT -5
After last night's crowd reaction, I'm willing to think that Reigns will still win at Fast Lane and go on to Wrestlemania. If they'd of reaction like the Royal Rumble Crowd did, then I'd genuinely be thinking that there's a good chance Bryan could do Reigns at Fast Lane. As much as they bent around the bush to try and get this scenario, it still makes no logical sense as at the end of the day Roman could still have said "No", and he'd be going on to Wrestlemania anyway. He's basically putting everything at risk for no real reason in storyline sense, which I just didn't get. The best thing they could do in my opinion would be to have Brock Lesnar vs Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania, with Seth Rollins cashing in, and Roman Reigns vs The Rock at Wrestlemania. He didn't know the Authority couldn't strip him of the match. Kayfabe wise it makes sense. That's why I think it made Roman look like an idiot though. Don't you think you would stand up for yourself in that spot? At worst pull a Batista and tell everyone to "Deal with it!" But Reigns just whimpered like he was going to cry for two mins while the Authority told him to pick and then said "ZOMG I"llz just beat everyonez!" I know Rollins was the architect but does Reigns have to look like the village idiot? I was honestly hoping Reigns would just say "no" to the entire situation. The Authority put all their cards on the table and got one over on Reigns because, or as it was presented, he had no backbone and nothing but space between his ears. That still brings up the issue of fans booing the handshake. Why, even after one good match, am I going to cheer Roman Reigns for winning a predetermined match at Fastlane? WWE's kayfabe and real life logic are both broken. Roman is going to have to have a MITB 2011 quality match with Daniel Bryan for the crowd to flip, and that's just not going to happen. Also, John Cena didn't win that night in 2011 because that's not what people wanted to see. So WWE is still facing the obstacle of disappointing the crowd because they won't back off of Reigns. I don't feel sorry for them, or for Reigns. This is what they wanted, now they're going to get it and have to deal with the 70,000 vultures circling the ring at the end of Mania 31. |
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Feb 3, 2015 13:48:21 GMT -5
Eh this is what happens when the fans direct the show.
Daniel Bryan looked like a right arsehole last night, he's supposed to be a face but seemed like a cry baby heel last night when he claimed he should be #1 contender especially after Triple H said about Bryan entering himself in the rumble instead of asking for his re-match.
I think it would have been an opportune time to have Orton cost Rollins the match last night setting up a match for fast lane / Mania. Leaving Bryan and Reigns to do their thing.
Also the way Ambrose put himself in line for BArretts IC title sucked. they should have cut the Bryan / Regins segment before the main event and had Barrett come out and reject Ambrose's challenge until he proved himself, and actually had some kinda storyline, rather than Dean just taking the job, because apparently no one else wanted to fight for the IC title... stupid.
Rusev's handling of the Russian flag botch was awesome though, making the most out of a bunk situation.
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Post by Mr. McCluer on Feb 3, 2015 13:57:35 GMT -5
Ready, Reigns and Bryan will end with a DQ or double countout or some draw, and thus the WM match becomes a triple threat. Done. And then Rollins will insert himself into the match at WM with his brief case. And an ounce he is joining the triple threat because he can. Which I am all for. |
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