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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 1:32:46 GMT -5
What "big splash" do you mean? These figs will be sold online only or at the booth of the talent self! They WON'T show up in regular stores, they WON'T be mass produced! I know that, they don't have to be mass produced or in stores to draw people's attention. Plenty of people are excited about these figures. They signed The Young Bucks and Kenny Omega, part of the new "hot" thing in wrestling. They are giving us the Cornette we've always wanted. They are giving us brand new ECW figs. I would say they have made a pretty big splash and they even said they're not done announcing. |
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 24, 2015 1:56:27 GMT -5
Could we put together a list of those confirmed for the line? Jay Briscoe Mark Brisco Adam Cole Kevin Steen The Young Bucks Kenny Omega Who else? I swear there is a list on every page lately lol Brian Myers Cliff Compton Joey Ryan Jim Cornette Blue Meanie Justin Credible New Jack Mikey Whipwreck I apologize if this has been asked very often, but I hadn't seen it. Thank you so much.  |
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Post by micco on Jun 24, 2015 7:50:52 GMT -5
Bastion Booger was just as big of a star as Norton. Top heel in Stampede wrestling for years followed by a memorable WCW run in the late 80s/early 90s. I wouldn't call Norton an integral member either. He was a tag team guy in the B group. Japan is where his name means anything. Norton won Japan's preeminent championship twice. His nwo tag partner was made in the cs line on two separate occasions. Nothing Mike shaw did in his career is nearly as memorable as being a part of the coolest, most revolutionary stable of all time... Except for maybe being a part of what a magazine called the worst worked match of the year back in the early 90's. |
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Post by micco on Jun 24, 2015 7:53:27 GMT -5
What "big splash" do you mean? These figs will be sold online only or at the booth of the talent self! They WON'T show up in regular stores, they WON'T be mass produced! I know that, they don't have to be mass produced or in stores to draw people's attention. I agree. If they could boast the signing of Pedro morales, the only wwe champion to never have an action figure made, that would be headline news. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 8:00:54 GMT -5
Bastion Booger was just as big of a star as Norton. Top heel in Stampede wrestling for years followed by a memorable WCW run in the late 80s/early 90s. I wouldn't call Norton an integral member either. He was a tag team guy in the B group. Japan is where his name means anything. Norton won Japan's preeminent championship twice. His nwo tag partner was made in the cs line on two separate occasions. Nothing Mike shaw did in his career is nearly as memorable as being a part of the coolest, most revolutionary stable of all time... Except for maybe being a part of what a magazine called the worst worked match of the year back in the early 90's. Virgil and VK Wallstreet were also NWO guys. IRS CS figure could barely be given away. If careers translated into action figure sales then every Hogan figure would sell out instead of sitting on shelves. They wouldn't be able to keep John Cena's in stock. They have a business model in place where the stars are going to be marketing and selling their figures as much as they are. Scott Norton, Pedro Morales etc. are not guys who would do that. If they make money will the current guys and the active legends doing it that way, maybe they can take some of that money and make a couple of collectors figures. You and I both know if Mattel did a Pedro Morales flashback it would be a shelfwarmer just like Bruno and JYD. So why would the company waste money right off the bat. Guys like that should be picked up later once money starts coming in MAYBE and limited to 500 or something. |
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Post by micco on Jun 24, 2015 8:37:43 GMT -5
Norton won Japan's preeminent championship twice. His nwo tag partner was made in the cs line on two separate occasions. Nothing Mike shaw did in his career is nearly as memorable as being a part of the coolest, most revolutionary stable of all time... Except for maybe being a part of what a magazine called the worst worked match of the year back in the early 90's. Virgil and VK Wallstreet were also NWO guys. IRS CS figure could barely be given away. If careers translated into action figure sales then every Hogan figure would sell out instead of sitting on shelves. They wouldn't be able to keep John Cena's in stock. They have a business model in place where the stars are going to be marketing and selling their figures as much as they are. Scott Norton, Pedro Morales etc. are not guys who would do that. If they make money will the current guys and the active legends doing it that way, maybe they can take some of that money and make a couple of collectors figures. You and I both know if Mattel did a Pedro Morales flashback it would be a shelfwarmer just like Bruno and JYD. So why would the company waste money right off the bat. Guys like that should be picked up later once money starts coming in MAYBE and limited to 500 or something. I'm sure cena does sell more figures than anyone else. They just produce more of them both in terms of case breakdowns and the frequency with which he appears in line ups. If they were losing money on the production of cena figures, they'd have reduced the amount the make a long time ago. Re: the legends line How is Mikey whipwreck gonna sell any figures on his own? He's retired. Or new jack or any of these guys they've signed? They work a handful of Indy dates a year. What you're talking about applies to the Indy line. The "legends" are, for the most part, no longer active in ring competitors however, if you're really a legend, you're merch will sell regardless. Look no further than the success of the cs line. A big enough name sells itself. Especially to people hoping to expand on their cs collections. They'd be lucky to reel in a tenth of the cs collectors from the height of its popularity, but to do that they'd need to use a similar formula, starting with having actual legends. Some of the guys they've signed don't fit that criteria. You may not be confident in a Pedro Morales figure selling well, but do you honestly think Mikey is gonna do any better? I don't. I truly believe that after a while a ton of moc Mikey whipwreck figures will end up in a landfill. We'll just have to wait and see. |
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Post by blu3blazer on Jun 24, 2015 8:55:33 GMT -5
Meanie would have been a perfect CS character esp in a BWO shirt. Whipwreck might not have been but the company also said they want to grab some names as first timers. As far as the company coming here why would they come to a site where we can barely talk about their toys or their name is spam? Pretty obvious RSC wants to keep them away from here. It's very clear why they should want to come here and I already eluded to it, because this is the single largest community of wrestling action figure collectors anywhere to be found and that's who their target consumer is. I think blue meanie would have been top three worst guys in the cs line along with Zeus and tank abbot. I'm sure they do want to come here and I'm positive that they at least read this thread. But they know that as soon as they start posting RSC will ban them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 8:58:50 GMT -5
Elite 25 Bruno was a shelf warmer? That's need to me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 9:03:02 GMT -5
Virgil and VK Wallstreet were also NWO guys. IRS CS figure could barely be given away. If careers translated into action figure sales then every Hogan figure would sell out instead of sitting on shelves. They wouldn't be able to keep John Cena's in stock. They have a business model in place where the stars are going to be marketing and selling their figures as much as they are. Scott Norton, Pedro Morales etc. are not guys who would do that. If they make money will the current guys and the active legends doing it that way, maybe they can take some of that money and make a couple of collectors figures. You and I both know if Mattel did a Pedro Morales flashback it would be a shelfwarmer just like Bruno and JYD. So why would the company waste money right off the bat. Guys like that should be picked up later once money starts coming in MAYBE and limited to 500 or something. I'm sure cena does sell more figures than anyone else. They just produce more of them both in terms of case breakdowns and the frequency with which he appears in line ups. If they were losing money on the production of cena figures, they'd have reduced the amount the make a long time ago. Re: the legends line How is Mikey whipwreck gonna sell any figures on his own? He's retired. Or new jack or any of these guys they've signed? They work a handful of Indy dates a year. What you're talking about applies to the Indy line. The "legends" are, for the most part, no longer active in ring competitors however, if you're really a legend, you're merch will sell regardless. Look no further than the success of the cs line. A big enough name sells itself. Especially to people hoping to expand on their cs collections. They'd be lucky to reel in a tenth of the cs collectors from the height of its popularity, but to do that they'd need to use a similar formula, starting with having actual legends. Some of the guys they've signed don't fit that criteria. You may not be confident in a Pedro Morales figure selling well, but do you honestly think Mikey is gonna do any better? I don't. I truly believe that after a while a ton of moc Mikey whipwreck figures will end up in a landfill. We'll just have to wait and see. Mikey Whipwreck still trains wrestlers and is connected to the NY indie scene. He pops up at shows all the time including House of Hardcore. Very easy for him to sell figures of himself. You know why the CS brand sold some of those figures? WWE branding. Look at TNA's Legends line. They never pushed it and it flopped. Some people just collect "WWE". Even with WWE licensing JAKKS had a tough time moving a lot of those legends. Even modern guys like Luger and Sid sat and sat until they were cleared out. The company is the opposite of both of those lines. They are creating this in-house (as well as selling, marketing, etc). No branding or licensing on these figs. It's not like ROH. They push the hell out of it and the talent that is a part of it is not only pushing it but will be branding and selling their own figures. The bottom line is that a lot of the older Legends have proven to be weak sellers. Nostalgia now is the Attitude Era, ECW, Monday Night War 90's stuff. At least that's stuff on the Network that a 12 year old kid might be familiar with. Pushing a figure of a guy who was in his prime 30-40 years ago is a tough sell no matter if you are the company or Mattel or JAKKS or whoever. I have the majority of the CS and RA series, but I also understand that business wise it does not make sense to give money to someone that is just going to take a paycheck and run. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 9:05:20 GMT -5
Elite 25 Bruno was a shelf warmer? That's need to me If he was so hot or "rare" as some put it then I shouldn't have been able to find him at Target, WalMart, or TRU for 4 months straight. Multiple figures in each store. |
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Post by micco on Jun 24, 2015 9:26:04 GMT -5
Elite 25 Bruno was a shelf warmer? That's need to me Nah. It didn't warm any shelves. Rsc currently sells it for 40 bucks. It wasn't super rare either but that set had great distribution so nobody in that set was hard to find. |
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Post by micco on Jun 24, 2015 10:08:45 GMT -5
I'm sure cena does sell more figures than anyone else. They just produce more of them both in terms of case breakdowns and the frequency with which he appears in line ups. If they were losing money on the production of cena figures, they'd have reduced the amount the make a long time ago. Re: the legends line How is Mikey whipwreck gonna sell any figures on his own? He's retired. Or new jack or any of these guys they've signed? They work a handful of Indy dates a year. What you're talking about applies to the Indy line. The "legends" are, for the most part, no longer active in ring competitors however, if you're really a legend, you're merch will sell regardless. Look no further than the success of the cs line. A big enough name sells itself. Especially to people hoping to expand on their cs collections. They'd be lucky to reel in a tenth of the cs collectors from the height of its popularity, but to do that they'd need to use a similar formula, starting with having actual legends. Some of the guys they've signed don't fit that criteria. You may not be confident in a Pedro Morales figure selling well, but do you honestly think Mikey is gonna do any better? I don't. I truly believe that after a while a ton of moc Mikey whipwreck figures will end up in a landfill. We'll just have to wait and see. Mikey Whipwreck still trains wrestlers and is connected to the NY indie scene. He pops up at shows all the time including House of Hardcore. Very easy for him to sell figures of himself. You know why the CS brand sold some of those figures? WWE branding. Look at TNA's Legends line. They never pushed it and it flopped. Some people just collect "WWE". Even with WWE licensing JAKKS had a tough time moving a lot of those legends. Even modern guys like Luger and Sid sat and sat until they were cleared out. The company is the opposite of both of those lines. They are creating this in-house (as well as selling, marketing, etc). No branding or licensing on these figs. It's not like ROH. They push the hell out of it and the talent that is a part of it is not only pushing it but will be branding and selling their own figures. The bottom line is that a lot of the older Legends have proven to be weak sellers. Nostalgia now is the Attitude Era, ECW, Monday Night War 90's stuff. At least that's stuff on the Network that a 12 year old kid might be familiar with. Pushing a figure of a guy who was in his prime 30-40 years ago is a tough sell no matter if you are the company or Mattel or JAKKS or whoever. I have the majority of the CS and RA series, but I also understands that business wise it does not make sense to give money to someone that is just going to take a paycheck and run. Mikey retired from training too back in March. Sure, he'll make a handful of appearances like I said. Maybe one every other month, but that can't be what they're expecting to carry the line. It won't. Not as much as star power would. You and I don't disagree on what era they should be focusing on, though I do believe that some older guys that are real big names that were left out of the cs line like Pedro and dory funk could be good sellers, I just think they need to get actual big stars. Ecw guys like franchise,public enemy, too cold, candido and Mike awesome. Wcw guys like vampiro, disco, Riggs, konnan, Scott Steiner, Hugh Morris, Kanyon, Larry zbysko. Wwf guys like Ahmed Johnson, d'lo brown, Dino bravo, the patriot, Chyna, Marc Mero and test. Most of these people have spent the bulk of their long careers competing in the big companies, winning major titles. That's kinda what the cs line's criteria was and some how none made it into the line. As much as I like new jack, he had a 4-5 year run competing in the smallest of the three big companies and has otherwise been an Indy journeyman. Mikey and meanie are no more impressive. |
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Post by Chip on Jun 24, 2015 12:33:35 GMT -5
i think people are really getting ahead of themselves here...
can we let the line actually come out first before we start planning a set of 70's legends and then attitude era guys, and then WCW mid-carders?
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Post by micco on Jun 24, 2015 13:11:14 GMT -5
i think people are really getting ahead of themselves here... can we let the line actually come out first before we start planning a set of 70's legends and then attitude era guys, and then WCW mid-carders? Not really. Don't know if you recall, but this is what the conversations were like when the cs line was around, the jakks/tna lotr line and the Mattel legends line. There's always a discussion of who is deserving, who's not, what gimmick they should depict etc. this is what makes them showing protos and announcing info fun. Will the toy company take some criticism as the result? Sure, but they're big boys. They'll survive. And in the plus side, it generates a buzz and anticipation for the consumers whether or not they love everything about what's been announced/shown. |
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Post by The Assassin on Jun 24, 2015 15:13:50 GMT -5
Can we just let people talk about what they want, and let people want who they want?
We're lucky ringside is even allowing this thread. It's difficult enough to talk about this line without people viciously jumping on each other as has been going on the last few pages and it's really killing the atmosphere. Everyone has different opinions, and NOBODY'S opinion is more valid than anyone elses.
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Post by micco on Jun 24, 2015 16:04:30 GMT -5
Can we just let people talk about what they want, and let people want who they want? We're lucky ringside is even allowing this thread. It's difficult enough to talk about this line without people viciously jumping on each other as has been going on the last few pages and it's really killing the atmosphere. Everyone has different opinions, and NOBODY'S opinion is more valid than anyone elses. Isn't that what we've been doing... Talking about what we want? Despite people voicing their differing view points, I haven't seen anything I'd consider "viciously jumpin on". I appreciate you trying to be the peace keeper, but I don't think this is one of those cases where one is needed. |
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Post by wrestlingfan1000 on Jun 24, 2015 16:47:22 GMT -5
Very pleased that Blue Meanie signed and excited for his figure. Can't wait to see how it looks!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 19:33:11 GMT -5
Can we just let people talk about what they want, and let people want who they want? We're lucky ringside is even allowing this thread. It's difficult enough to talk about this line without people viciously jumping on each other as has been going on the last few pages and it's really killing the atmosphere. Everyone has different opinions, and NOBODY'S opinion is more valid than anyone elses. Isn't that what we've been doing... Talking about what we want? Despite people voicing their differing view points, I haven't seen anything I'd consider "viciously jumpin on". I appreciate you trying to be the peace keeper, but I don't think this is one of those cases where one is needed. I agree we are all being civil, with that said I am def interested to see these figures as I am a big fan of cloth accessories. Even if they look beyond awful I'll still buy joey ryan |
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jun 24, 2015 21:28:13 GMT -5
Ok. I'm making my want list.
ROH Series 2:
ACH
Roderick Strong
Moose
Jay Lethal
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Post by micco on Jun 24, 2015 22:18:07 GMT -5
Ok. I'm making my want list. ROH Series 2: ACH Roderick Strong Moose Jay Lethal I can't really argue with that line up. Being a black man though, I'm always pulling to have black wrestlers represented in figure form. |
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