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Post by The IT Factor on Aug 1, 2015 12:18:52 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me, but my biggest problem with the Elgin figure, is the fact that the body is completely wrong.
Michael Elgin has a stocky build, and yet they just gave him the generic RA body mold, when he should've had the same mold that Finlay had.
I'm not mad about the big head, and the cloth is pretty cool, but the body mold really bothers me.
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Post by East Coast on Aug 1, 2015 12:47:26 GMT -5
After seeing the pic of the finished figure and the size of that "bobble head" and then the non caring response of this Chris guy...my excitement for the Legends line took a nose dive. I thought for sure he was going to actually listen to the collectors and care about the figures. However, its like he is refusing to even acknowledge or address the concern. The head is way too big and if they continue down this path, they will only get bigger...history has already proven that. Was hoping for a dynamic line of Legends to compliment my Classic Collection but I refuse to buy them with these giant heads. I hope they will adjust this problem now in the beginning of the lines...if not, count me out. They can have all the greatest accessories and cloth attire possible but if the heads are too big, it doesn't matter sadly... this dudes responded more in the last 2 weeks than Mattel Design Team has in the last year. So he obviously cares that said...As someone that didn't collect Jakks figures, most of the complaints here....seem to be the same reason I didn't collect Jakks. Wrong boots..larger heads...everyone using the same body. These are the same things Jakks did. So you can't really expect more from a smaller indie toy company that just bought some of the molds. i actually dont even think the elgin head looks that big. Especially compared to other Jakks figs i've seen. This line would best serve collectors with just the heads and soft goods. Because i can see how someone can take that Elgin head, singlet and entrance jacket and easily throw it on a thicker Jakks body w/ shorter boots
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Aug 1, 2015 12:59:37 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me, but my biggest problem with the Elgin figure, is the fact that the body is completely wrong. Michael Elgin has a stocky build, and yet they just gave him the generic RA body mold, when he should've had the same mold that Finlay had. I'm not mad about the big head, and the cloth is pretty cool, but the body mold really bothers me. It's already been addressed that they only have so many parts at their disposal. I agree with you that the body is WAY wrong, but apparently it's not in their ability to change that.
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Post by derekbrazen on Aug 1, 2015 14:16:03 GMT -5
Hey TomT, I don't wanna come off as a jerk, but my response might, but please don't take it as such. I'm pretty sure that I won't be purchasing many of the ROH/Indy figs. I'm very happy that someone is making MORE wrestling figs of NEW wrestlers that us fans have been dying to own for years. But, at the end of the day, articulation, pose-ability & scale are very important to me & I decide if I'm goin to spend my money on figures based on those factors. I agree with this 100%. I was honestly hoping to buy some of these for the accessories and the heads to go on Mattel fix-ups because I don't like RA bodies (no offense to ftchris, that's what they have at their disposal. WrestlingFigs.com was polled right after the end of the WWE license. Yes, I think the TNA line failed because the figures were DA style - people had such extensive RA collections that they didn't want to start over. It's the same reason why people were slow to start collecting Mattel. RA figures had some scale -- Big Show was bigger than everybody, Rey Mysterios were shorters. DA had no scale whatsoever. There were a lot of different torsos but generally people had the same leg mold if they wore tights (coincidentally, the same one used here). There actually was multiple different Diva bodies in the RA style. Your TNA Knockout figures use the only DA woman's mold. I would buy the entire line if they were similar to Elites. Again, the Elgin figure is good but the torso is no where near correct for him (it's the RA1 Cena/Orton "Heavyweight" torso), and the head seems really big. (This may not be the case when you see the figure up close, but the photo does it no justice). THIS is what a normal head should look like on that torso: Selfishly, my biggest gripe being the size of the heads is because, like I said, I want to put it on a Mattel body and that's not possible unless it's the size of a normal, early RA head. I'm sure that's no concern to ftc, but I'm just being honest. I'll still buy Roderick Strong and some others I like, but so far I'm not too impressed with anything beyond the cloth goods. When JAKKS started the DA line, I was about 15, my interest in WWE was starting to fade and the idea of starting a new collection kind of put me off collecting for a while. But, I did like the articulation that DA offered compared to the RA. I would have rather they started with DA from the beginning, but I was happy to see a change from the RA body because I never cared for them but I bought RA's because that's all there was at the time. I started collecting again around Elite series 7, because Mattel offered everything I wanted; articulation, a scale and cloth accessories. The only DA figures I have are TNA's Matt Morgan, Magnus, Rob Terry & Bully Ray. They tower over my Elites, but I'm fine with that because these guys are pretty big in real life, and for my own picfed use, I can just justify having a few HUGE guys. I have most of the Lucha Libra USA figures and they're even bigger than a DA body. Size & scale matter to me, so I wouldn't buy a Rey Mysterio if he's the same size as Rob Terry. I never had any RA divas, I never knew there were RA/DA bodys for the women. I do like the DA woman's body, so I'm very likely to buy most of the FTC Roh/Indy women they will make, provided they use the DA body.
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Post by dylan on Aug 1, 2015 14:28:45 GMT -5
I agree with this 100%. I was honestly hoping to buy some of these for the accessories and the heads to go on Mattel fix-ups because I don't like RA bodies (no offense to ftchris, that's what they have at their disposal. WrestlingFigs.com was polled right after the end of the WWE license. Yes, I think the TNA line failed because the figures were DA style - people had such extensive RA collections that they didn't want to start over. It's the same reason why people were slow to start collecting Mattel. RA figures had some scale -- Big Show was bigger than everybody, Rey Mysterios were shorters. DA had no scale whatsoever. There were a lot of different torsos but generally people had the same leg mold if they wore tights (coincidentally, the same one used here). There actually was multiple different Diva bodies in the RA style. Your TNA Knockout figures use the only DA woman's mold. I would buy the entire line if they were similar to Elites. Again, the Elgin figure is good but the torso is no where near correct for him (it's the RA1 Cena/Orton "Heavyweight" torso), and the head seems really big. (This may not be the case when you see the figure up close, but the photo does it no justice). THIS is what a normal head should look like on that torso: Selfishly, my biggest gripe being the size of the heads is because, like I said, I want to put it on a Mattel body and that's not possible unless it's the size of a normal, early RA head. I'm sure that's no concern to ftc, but I'm just being honest. I'll still buy Roderick Strong and some others I like, but so far I'm not too impressed with anything beyond the cloth goods. When JAKKS started the DA line, I was about 15, my interest in WWE was starting to fade and the idea of starting a new collection kind of put me off collecting for a while. But, I did like the articulation that DA offered compared to the RA. I would have rather they started with DA from the beginning, but I was happy to see a change from the RA body because I never cared for them but I bought RA's because that's all there was at the time. I started collecting again around Elite series 7, because Mattel offered everything I wanted; articulation, a scale and cloth accessories. The only DA figures I have are TNA's Matt Morgan, Magnus, Rob Terry & Bully Ray. They tower over my Elites, but I'm fine with that because these guys are pretty big in real life, and for my own picfed use, I can just justify having a few HUGE guys. I have most of the Lucha Libra USA figures and they're even bigger than a DA body. Size & scale matter to me, so I wouldn't buy a Rey Mysterio if he's the same size as Rob Terry. I never had any RA divas, I never knew there were RA/DA bodys for the women. I do like the DA woman's body, so I'm very likely to buy most of the FTC Roh/Indy women they will make, provided they use the DA body. Only the TNA women had DA styled bodies. For RA style, there's only 3 bodies I know of. I'll use Victoria as an example There was this style. Then this style And finally this one.
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Post by derekbrazen on Aug 1, 2015 14:29:30 GMT -5
1) I think it's really cool that FTChris has been on here and addressing our concerns. At the end of the day, FTC wants to make wrestling figures that people want to buy. 2) Unfortunately, they can only produce figures for people who like RA style figures. I'm not one of those, so I probably won't be buying many. I'd like to think that if they had the ability to make an Elite style, they probably would. Of the 5 heads we've seen so far, the only "bad" one is Jay's, the rest are pretty damn good. Elgin's head isn't bad, it's the size that's the issue. I like that they're using cloth material. Throw a good head on an Elite-like body, add cloth materials and you easily have my money. But, that's not what they're producing. They're making RA style figures with good heads & cloth materials. It seems that there is a market for that, so I hope these sell. 3) All we can do is tell FTC what we, as consumers would spend our $$ on. If you're not gonna buy the figures like me, that's fine, we're not their target market. If you are happy with these figures and you are going to spend money to buy them, GOOD FOR YOU ENJOY! 4) I wonder how many figures are going to be produced, I wonder how many will sell. 5) How much do you think these will go for? I think they'll be around $20. I'll have to wait for people to buy these, then customize them with Elite bodies, so I'll probably end up spending about $50-60 on the secondary market for ROH/Indy figs. I'd spend up to $35 for a FTC elite-ish figure if they ever make any. 5) I want these figures to be successful, I want FTC to eventually make new elite-ish molds, but the only way that might ever happen is if the first few RA waves are successful, then maybe sometime down the line FTC will invest in new bodies to get people like me who are interested in ROH/Indy figs but won't buy a RA body. There are so many figures it looks like FTC will produce that I would buy IF they were Elite-ish, but they're not so I won't buy. Maybe there are enough people like me that FTC will eventually make something we'd buy. 6) Why isn't RSC doing something like this? FTC doesn't get exclusives like RSC does. If RSC is big enough to get Mattel to make exclusives, why can't RSC do something with JAKKS or another company to make a few exclusives? 7) Anyone know when the RSC's ring barriers are gonna be released?
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Post by derekbrazen on Aug 1, 2015 14:35:10 GMT -5
I don't thnk I would have bought any TNA Knockouts if they were any of the 3 JAKKS RA women's bodys. Thank you Dylan for using pics. Anyone know what body the TNA Shop Exclusive Dixie used? I want one, but there hasn't been a good enough sale price on TNA Shop for me to buy + shipping. I should have gotten one years ago when I went to a TNA Basebrawl even at MCU Park, the same one that ROH will be at Summer Slam weekend.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Aug 1, 2015 14:36:46 GMT -5
I was excited for the ROH/Indy line and still am, but I must admit if kick pads are the only mold FTC has to work with then I am less excited. While the head is in fact too big I can deal with it, but the kickers on Elgin look really silly and makes me wonder why FTC would even make an Elgin right off the bat without the correct parts. I'll reserve judgement until I see the other figures. I just hope that incorrect parts don't ruin the line. Does this mean a guy like Roderick Strong is also gonna have kick pads?
Also great to see Ringside and FTC working together after all these years.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Aug 1, 2015 14:46:15 GMT -5
I don't thnk I would have bought any TNA Knockouts if they were any of the 3 JAKKS RA women's bodys. Thank you Dylan for using pics. Anyone know what body the TNA Shop Exclusive Dixie used? I want one, but there hasn't been a good enough sale price on TNA Shop for me to buy + shipping. I should have gotten one years ago when I went to a TNA Basebrawl even at MCU Park, the same one that ROH will be at Summer Slam weekend. Dixie just had the regular DA woman's body. She even had kickpads. But two of the three Divas he pictured have the same torso. There was skinny with huge boobs, skinny with no boobs, and the first one. (big boobs) (no boobs) (original) I'm guessing FTC has the original one since that was RA style and Jakks had still been using the DA mold up until very recently.
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Post by charabro on Aug 1, 2015 15:22:46 GMT -5
Important question that no ones brought up, will the figures be stained at all by their attire?
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Post by Fig Heel on Aug 1, 2015 15:55:20 GMT -5
I swear some of you want FTC to put your favorite wrestlers into a cloning machine, push a button and out pops a miniature version of them you can hold and display. Not going to happen. Such minor details as boot mold do not lessen the badass work they've done on the sculpt or the craftsmanship that went into replicating the singlet and jacket. Give credit where credit is due- they're putting more effort than most companies would and this is merely a niche product.
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Post by the franchise on Aug 1, 2015 18:46:29 GMT -5
Important question that no ones brought up, will the figures be stained at all by their attire? Probably because the answer is either maybe or maybe not. How could anyone answer this?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 20:10:40 GMT -5
Important question that no ones brought up, will the figures be stained at all by their attire? This is my major concern with the fabric attires. Jakks WWE figures got stained and Mattel WWE have gotten stained, I hope this won't be the case with these as most of the time the clothing doing the staining was entrance attire and that can always be removed but if their in ring attire is fabric too this could be a problem.
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Post by charabro on Aug 1, 2015 22:28:12 GMT -5
Important question that no ones brought up, will the figures be stained at all by their attire? Probably because the answer is either maybe or maybe not. How could anyone answer this? Staining on figures when using fabric clothing is evident, that Elgin figure is obviously in hand, I was simply wondering. Don't @ me.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Aug 1, 2015 23:06:54 GMT -5
Probably because the answer is either maybe or maybe not. How could anyone answer this? Staining on figures when using fabric clothing is evident, that Elgin figure is obviously in hand, I was simply wondering. Don't @ me. Ok I'll just quote you instead. That might not even be a production sample, just a prototype. The answer is still maybe.
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Post by Browser Brody on Aug 2, 2015 0:40:35 GMT -5
I was on the fence about this line, but after seeing the Elgin I think I have no choice but to be all in. Figure looks great!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 10:13:31 GMT -5
For those who seem to think I've glossed over anything, sorry to hear you feel that way, but I don't think that's the case, and my intent is to not make that the case.
The fact that opinion on anything is subjective does not mean things get a pass with me. I'm working on these lines EVERY DAY. I'm as invested as making these as popular as I possibly can. It doesn't matter if it's feedback from a fan, a hardcore collector, or the talent. Everything, no matter what, gets brought to the table so we can see what we might want to do or need to do to make these figures as best as we can.
I mentioned it before, but I'll repeat here: in the beginning stages, we had access to only a few molds. That has since changed. That will continue to change. I've stated this in some of the interviews I've done, we're well aware that more parts need to be available to us as we get more in depth to a variety of talent.
This has been summed up perfectly by other posters in my defense, but I thought it fair to post it myself.
One last thing: a few people mentioned changing these to Elite style, or upset that they're not Elite style. They're not, and they won't be. It doesn't make business sense to start a line one way, and then change it over to an entirely different style. These are JAKKS style figures. That's what they're all going to be, now and going forward. I know Mattel is the current thing and they're making some amazing products (like I said before, I collect them as well). I know some people wish that every figure ever was done in the style of a Mattel Elite, but that won't be the case.
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Aug 2, 2015 11:42:22 GMT -5
For those who seem to think I've glossed over anything, sorry to hear you feel that way, but I don't think that's the case, and my intent is to not make that the case. The fact that opinion on anything is subjective does not mean things get a pass with me. I'm working on these lines EVERY DAY. I'm as invested as making these as popular as I possibly can. It doesn't matter if it's feedback from a fan, a hardcore collector, or the talent. Everything, no matter what, gets brought to the table so we can see what we might want to do or need to do to make these figures as best as we can. I mentioned it before, but I'll repeat here: in the beginning stages, we had access to only a few molds. That has since changed. That will continue to change. I've stated this in some of the interviews I've done, we're well aware that more parts need to be available to us as we get more in depth to a variety of talent. This has been summed up perfectly by other posters in my defense, but I thought it fair to post it myself. One last thing: a few people mentioned changing these to Elite style, or upset that they're not Elite style. They're not, and they won't be. It doesn't make business sense to start a line one way, and then change it over to an entirely different style. These are JAKKS style figures. That's what they're all going to be, now and going forward. I know Mattel is the current thing and they're making some amazing products (like I said before, I collect them as well). I know some people wish that every figure ever was done in the style of a Mattel Elite, but that won't be the case. Thanks for clearing all that up. I also collect Mattel Elite as well as RAs. I would add though, I don't feel most people aren't unhappy they aren't Elite. I've read a lot of comments on Facebook and everything on here and I think the consensus is most believe the heads won't be small enough to be proportionate to the Jakks style body (which would in turn make them more likely to fit on Elite). This was the major problem with Jakks at the end of the line, and people don't want to see this line start out on the wrong foot. I know these aren't ready or really even close to ready, and we've only seen one prototype.. So I think most people who see these should be willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt
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Post by The Assassin on Aug 2, 2015 14:11:33 GMT -5
@ftchris thanks again for your insight. I am impressed by the commitment you pledge to the line, and am relieved to hear you elaborate that you do not consider differences of opinions an excuse to approve poor quality figures.
I am really looking forward to the Legends line and seeing just how many "gaps" FTC can fill that Jakks missed in CS. I truly hope the debate about oversized heads never needs to be raised with that line. And just to clarify, my reasoning for caring so much about head size is so they fit in with my existing RA collection - as FTC has stated is the aim of this line. I do not collect Mattels.
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Post by dylan on Aug 2, 2015 14:30:31 GMT -5
I really love how much Chris checks this thread. It shows how much they care about our input and that really makes me look forward to this line and seeing everything they put out.
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