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Post by micco on Jul 31, 2015 18:30:11 GMT -5
I find it funny that people used to crucify Jakks for using that boot mold, but it's okay now. The head is oversized. Not the worst I've seen, but still should be corrected. FTC has an issue with their Mego revamp lines having heads that are too big too. Hope this can be corrected. Who's saying it's ok?
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jul 31, 2015 22:56:23 GMT -5
Hey TomT, I don't wanna come off as a jerk, but my response might, but please don't take it as such. I'm pretty sure that I won't be purchasing many of the ROH/Indy figs. I'm very happy that someone is making MORE wrestling figs of NEW wrestlers that us fans have been dying to own for years. But, at the end of the day, articulation, pose-ability & scale are very important to me & I decide if I'm goin to spend my money on figures based on those factors. I agree with this 100%. I was honestly hoping to buy some of these for the accessories and the heads to go on Mattel fix-ups because I don't like RA bodies (no offense to ftchris, that's what they have at their disposal. WrestlingFigs.com was polled right after the end of the WWE license. Yes, I think the TNA line failed because the figures were DA style - people had such extensive RA collections that they didn't want to start over. It's the same reason why people were slow to start collecting Mattel. RA figures had some scale -- Big Show was bigger than everybody, Rey Mysterios were shorters. DA had no scale whatsoever. There were a lot of different torsos but generally people had the same leg mold if they wore tights (coincidentally, the same one used here). There actually was multiple different Diva bodies in the RA style. Your TNA Knockout figures use the only DA woman's mold. I would buy the entire line if they were similar to Elites. Again, the Elgin figure is good but the torso is no where near correct for him (it's the RA1 Cena/Orton "Heavyweight" torso), and the head seems really big. (This may not be the case when you see the figure up close, but the photo does it no justice). THIS is what a normal head should look like on that torso: Selfishly, my biggest gripe being the size of the heads is because, like I said, I want to put it on a Mattel body and that's not possible unless it's the size of a normal, early RA head. I'm sure that's no concern to ftc, but I'm just being honest. I'll still buy Roderick Strong and some others I like, but so far I'm not too impressed with anything beyond the cloth goods.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 23:47:49 GMT -5
Perhaps Jay didn't really care, he was just like 'Yeah, that's fine by me buddy,'.
We just don't know.
For me, I can do part-swaps and that's fine by me...I have a body lined up already for Elgin...
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Post by BCizzle on Aug 1, 2015 0:06:14 GMT -5
WrestlingFigs.com was polled right after the end of the WWE license. Yes, I think the TNA line failed because the figures were DA style - people had such extensive RA collections that they didn't want to start over. It's the same reason why people were slow to start collecting Mattel. The TNA line "failed" - after releasing almost 100 figures - because pro wrestling is just not that popular if it's not WWE. And even the WWE isn't exactly kicking butt. Some stores are flooded with Mattel WWE figures these days - is that line failing, too? There is a lot more to producing a wrestling figure line that just one poll here on WFigs.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Aug 1, 2015 0:41:33 GMT -5
WrestlingFigs.com was polled right after the end of the WWE license. Yes, I think the TNA line failed because the figures were DA style - people had such extensive RA collections that they didn't want to start over. It's the same reason why people were slow to start collecting Mattel. The TNA line "failed" - after releasing almost 100 figures - because pro wrestling is just not that popular if it's not WWE. And even the WWE isn't exactly kicking butt. Some stores are flooded with Mattel WWE figures these days - is that line failing, too? There is a lot more to producing a wrestling figure line that just one poll here on WFigs. Wow, you took that completely out of context. He asked where the poll was. I answered that. He asked why the TNA line didn't do well. I answered that. Two answers, two questions. Sorry you couldn't piece that together and had to get so defensive about it. The TNA line failed. They couldn't keep it in stores. Target clearanced it out. Kmart clearanced it out. Toys R Us clearanced it out. The TNA line released "almost" 100 figures, but how many did Mattel release in that time? Stores are flooded with Mattel figures in part because distribution sucks right now. They got overloaded with figs around Christmas and never got rid of them -- but they sell enough to not clearance them like they did with TNA, obviously. How many figures has the TNA line released in the past year? Two years? They said they'd keep it alive at Ringside and released a "set" with TWO figures. If it didn't fail, it would still exist right alongside the WWE line. I honestly think if they had kept it RA style, it would have been more successful. Do I have proof? Obviously not. But that's just my opinion.
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Post by ZDB on Aug 1, 2015 1:33:11 GMT -5
If Steen gets a balloon head we riot
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Post by STING on Aug 1, 2015 1:43:20 GMT -5
After seeing the pic of the finished figure and the size of that "bobble head" and then the non caring response of this Chris guy...my excitement for the Legends line took a nose dive. I thought for sure he was going to actually listen to the collectors and care about the figures. However, its like he is refusing to even acknowledge or address the concern. The head is way too big and if they continue down this path, they will only get bigger...history has already proven that. Was hoping for a dynamic line of Legends to compliment my Classic Collection but I refuse to buy them with these giant heads. I hope they will adjust this problem now in the beginning of the lines...if not, count me out. They can have all the greatest accessories and cloth attire possible but if the heads are too big, it doesn't matter sadly...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 2:09:43 GMT -5
After seeing the pic of the finished figure and the size of that "bobble head" and then the non caring response of this Chris guy...my excitement for the Legends line took a nose dive. I thought for sure he was going to actually listen to the collectors and care about the figures. However, its like he is refusing to even acknowledge or address the concern. The head is way too big and if they continue down this path, they will only get bigger...history has already proven that. Was hoping for a dynamic line of Legends to compliment my Classic Collection but I refuse to buy them with these giant heads. I hope they will adjust this problem now in the beginning of the lines...if not, count me out. They can have all the greatest accessories and cloth attire possible but if the heads are too big, it doesn't matter sadly... Non caring response? Wow, looks like you don't bother to read posts very closely because what you just wrote based on the response in this thread is a lie. Maybe try looking at what he said before bashing someone. He gave us some really good insight imo
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Aug 1, 2015 3:48:47 GMT -5
After seeing the pic of the finished figure and the size of that "bobble head" and then the non caring response of this Chris guy...my excitement for the Legends line took a nose dive. I thought for sure he was going to actually listen to the collectors and care about the figures. However, its like he is refusing to even acknowledge or address the concern. The head is way too big and if they continue down this path, they will only get bigger...history has already proven that. Was hoping for a dynamic line of Legends to compliment my Classic Collection but I refuse to buy them with these giant heads. I hope they will adjust this problem now in the beginning of the lines...if not, count me out. They can have all the greatest accessories and cloth attire possible but if the heads are too big, it doesn't matter sadly... He DID explain, it's the collectors that are short-sighted; they see RA bodystyle and automatically think of everything JAKKS produced. Here's a rude awakening; this company is FTC, not JAKKS! Also; it's still a prototype, you can't buy that figure next week...
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Post by The Assassin on Aug 1, 2015 6:40:01 GMT -5
He DID explain, it's the collectors that are short-sighted; they see RA bodystyle and automatically think of everything JAKKS produced. Here's a rude awakening; this company is FTC, not JAKKS! Also; it's still a prototype, you can't buy that figure next week... You can't just say "these figures are FTC not Jakks" as though it nullifies any complaints about head size. FTC specifically stated these figures are aimed at collectors wanting to build on their existing Jakks RA collections - therefore they need to fit the pre-existing style!! I don't think anyone minds the FTC figures being more pimped out with cloth accessories than most Jakks figures were (and many collectors already use Ralf's figure clothing with their Jakks RAs anyway). But RA scale (and that includes correctly sized heads) is an essential selling point of this line. Even if they can't or won't resize Elgin's head it is important that we raise our concerns so that FTC can pay more attention to head size for future figures. And I strongly encourage the collector community to relay a clear message to FTC that oversized "balloon heads" will NOT be considered acceptable.
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Post by STING on Aug 1, 2015 7:21:16 GMT -5
He DID explain, it's the collectors that are short-sighted; they see RA bodystyle and automatically think of everything JAKKS produced. Here's a rude awakening; this company is FTC, not JAKKS! Also; it's still a prototype, you can't buy that figure next week... You can't just say "these figures are FTC not Jakks" as though it nullifies any complaints about head size. FTC specifically stated these figures are aimed at collectors wanting to build on their existing Jakks RA collections - therefore they need to fit the pre-existing style!! I don't think anyone minds the FTC figures being more pimped out with cloth accessories than most Jakks figures were (and many collectors already use Ralf's figure clothing with their Jakks RAs anyway). But RA scale (and that includes correctly sized heads) is an essential selling point of this line. Even if they can't or won't resize Elgin's head it is important that we raise our concerns so that FTC can pay more attention to head size for future figures. And I strongly encourage the collector community to relay a clear message to FTC that oversized "balloon heads" will NOT be considered acceptable. It is just the beginning of this line...so they can fix this problem. Everything about these figures are indeed JAKKS except the heads...the heads are FTC created...thats the one thing they have complete control of.
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Post by STING on Aug 1, 2015 7:33:38 GMT -5
After seeing the pic of the finished figure and the size of that "bobble head" and then the non caring response of this Chris guy...my excitement for the Legends line took a nose dive. I thought for sure he was going to actually listen to the collectors and care about the figures. However, its like he is refusing to even acknowledge or address the concern. The head is way too big and if they continue down this path, they will only get bigger...history has already proven that. Was hoping for a dynamic line of Legends to compliment my Classic Collection but I refuse to buy them with these giant heads. I hope they will adjust this problem now in the beginning of the lines...if not, count me out. They can have all the greatest accessories and cloth attire possible but if the heads are too big, it doesn't matter sadly... Non caring response? Wow, looks like you don't bother to read posts very closely because what you just wrote based on the response in this thread is a lie. Maybe try looking at what he said before bashing someone. He gave us some really good insight imo Actually just the opposite...I have been reading EVERYTHING about this Legends line since the news broke with EXTREME excitement about the possibilities of enlarging my Classic Collection. I never left Jakks and sold my collection. I have never been a sold out Mattel collector nor do I collect any of their Legends figures...I am a true fan of the Jakks Classic line. Just the thought of adding to this makes me thrilled...I am only concerned that they keep the heads smaller. In my very humble opinion, I dont see Chris addressing this issue very strongly.
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Post by Chip on Aug 1, 2015 7:47:12 GMT -5
it amazes me the amount of people getting SO upset over the size of a head on an action figure you guys are seriously trying to tell me that when you look at that Elgin figure you see: i can't even.
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Post by micco on Aug 1, 2015 7:50:30 GMT -5
After seeing the pic of the finished figure and the size of that "bobble head" and then the non caring response of this Chris guy...my excitement for the Legends line took a nose dive. I thought for sure he was going to actually listen to the collectors and care about the figures. However, its like he is refusing to even acknowledge or address the concern. The head is way too big and if they continue down this path, they will only get bigger...history has already proven that. Was hoping for a dynamic line of Legends to compliment my Classic Collection but I refuse to buy them with these giant heads. I hope they will adjust this problem now in the beginning of the lines...if not, count me out. They can have all the greatest accessories and cloth attire possible but if the heads are too big, it doesn't matter sadly... Non caring response? Wow, looks like you don't bother to read posts very closely because what you just wrote based on the response in this thread is a lie. Maybe try looking at what he said before bashing someone. He gave us some really good insight imo I agree that Chris has been pretty attentative to the feedback he's been getting here. As it relates to the issue of head size, he's been a little evasive by kinda just chalking it up to subjectivity. I'm not expecting the guy to trash his own product and say "you're right, the head is too damn big. We screwed up!" But maybe he could at least acknowledge that an overwhelming majority of people feel that the head is too big. If 99 out of 100 people say the head is too big, just because there's one person who disagrees doesn't mean that it's some subjective grey area where it'll be impossible to satisfy everyone so you may as well just stay the course of what you've been doing. It means that the one person is wrong and you should listen to the 99. Im sure we appreciate that he said he's taking all concerns into consideration. Hopefully this one more heavily than some others as it is not at all a matter of subjectivity.
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Post by STING on Aug 1, 2015 7:55:43 GMT -5
Sorry for voicing my opinion and concern guys...I just want to really love this Legends line. They are already doing it in the RA style which I love. I hope I can add to my already existing Jakks Classic line...in the end we shall see. I will say nothing further on the issue...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 8:18:56 GMT -5
it amazes me the amount of people getting SO upset over the size of a head on an action figure you guys are seriously trying to tell me that when you look at that Elgin figure you see: i can't even. Exactly Chip, I agree. It is far from being a "bobblehead" LOL. The head size doesn't bother me at all, I think it looks fine. Now....for those who are "selfishly" wanting the new FTC RA style figure heads to be much smaller just so you can pin them on Mattel bodies.....TOUGH LUCK. That's not what these figures are for. FTC would be making the heads way too small for us collectors buying them to fit your agenda. That being said, as long as FTC is able to accurately judge head/body proportion in the future, it's all good. The boot mold on the other hand does bother me some what. I did not know ALL the ROH figures in the first lineup would have the tall kickers boot mold. I always HATED that bootmold, except for the few figures they made of wrestlers that actually wear that style of boots. I hope FTC will fix THAT, as it is more of a concern to me. They also make the figure look too tall quite often.
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Post by The Assassin on Aug 1, 2015 8:36:05 GMT -5
it amazes me the amount of people getting SO upset over the size of a head on an action figure you guys are seriously trying to tell me that when you look at that Elgin figure you see: i can't even. Yes, I firmly believe the Elgin head is oversized. And yes, I am passionate enough about wrestling figures that I want these figures to be as good quality as they possibly can be, right down to the small details. What amazes me is people saying the head is not oversized or that it doesn't matter.
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Post by Chip on Aug 1, 2015 8:56:13 GMT -5
it doesn't though.
i bought the Jakks CS Lance Storm because Lance Storm is awesome. He's on my shelf next to all my classics. I've had many friends check out my collection....not a single person has or had ever pointed out to me that "ZOMG his head is HUGE!!!" they go...."oh cool, a Lance Storm figure"
I bought the figure because I like Lance Storm, I like wrestling figures and I have a collection. I don't NEED everything to be an exact perfect plastic replica of the human being.
If the Elgin head was truly the size of a bobblehead yes it would be a problem, but it really isn't, at all, like not even close.
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Post by billthomson1984 on Aug 1, 2015 9:23:38 GMT -5
it doesn't though. i bought the Jakks CS Lance Storm because Lance Storm is awesome. He's on my shelf next to all my classics. I've had many friends check out my collection....not a single person has or had ever pointed out to me that "ZOMG his head is HUGE!!!" they go...."oh cool, a Lance Storm figure" I bought the figure because I like Lance Storm, I like wrestling figures and I have a collection. I don't NEED everything to be an exact perfect plastic replica of the human being. If the Elgin head was truly the size of a bobblehead yes it would be a problem, but it really isn't, at all, like not even close. I totally agree
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Post by RV F'N D on Aug 1, 2015 11:30:56 GMT -5
Well, for those of you who don't care about the head size...would it not make sense to address it for those collectors who do? The more people buying this line, the more likely it can be successful and continue, it's pretty simple. Obviously some people will take whatever they get and like it no matter what, that's fine. Others will choose to spend their money elsewhere.
The sculpts mostly look great, (Jay's doesn't) and I dig the accessories and I do appreciate what they are trying to do. Parts choices and head sizes are a concern already, on the first fig we see, and I don't see the point in trying to pretend otherwise.
Showing earlier protos and getting some feedback may have helped solve some of this.
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