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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 9:46:29 GMT -5
Just never saw anything in him. I wouldn't say he's the worst wrestler of all time. Definitely one of the most overrated, asking with his butt buddy HHH. I'm so tired of listing to those two perform verbal fellatio on each other, even though it hasn't happened in a while. I also don't think it's fair to include any freakishly tall guys in this either. They can never work well. They are there just to be gigantic and look intimidating. Was Andre a great worker? For a giant, yeah, but he was so big there wasn't much he could do. As for legitimate worst worker... we could run through nearly the entire roster of Divas from any generation (Eva Marie immediately comes to mind). The Miz is up there too. I think I'm going to go with Rapmaster PM News, who just barely edges out Van Hammer. To me Flair was all character, no-worker. Like a Hogan (but not as good). Flair did an excellent job at making you hate him, he's truly one of the greatest heels of all time. But I'm still baffled by people crediting him as the greatest worker. His womanising gimmick never really made sense to me because he was so ugly. His attitude doesn't make me like him any more either, especially when he'll call out a guy like Nash, or Foley for being limited. He's been involved in some pretty amazing matches, but most of those were with guys who could wrestle mannequins and pull out 5 star matches like Bret, Steamboat and Hennig.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 12, 2015 9:56:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't say he's the worst wrestler of all time. Definitely one of the most overrated, asking with his butt buddy HHH. I'm so tired of listing to those two perform verbal fellatio on each other, even though it hasn't happened in a while. I also don't think it's fair to include any freakishly tall guys in this either. They can never work well. They are there just to be gigantic and look intimidating. Was Andre a great worker? For a giant, yeah, but he was so big there wasn't much he could do. As for legitimate worst worker... we could run through nearly the entire roster of Divas from any generation (Eva Marie immediately comes to mind). The Miz is up there too. I think I'm going to go with Rapmaster PM News, who just barely edges out Van Hammer. To me Flair was all character, no-worker. Like a Hogan (but not as good). Flair did an excellent job at making you hate him, he's truly one of the greatest heels of all time. But I'm still baffled by people crediting him as the greatest worker. His womanising gimmick never really made sense to me because he was so ugly. His attitude doesn't make me like him any more either, especially when he'll call out a guy like Nash, or Foley for being limited. He's been involved in some pretty amazing matches, but most of those were with guys who could wrestle mannequins and pull out 5 star matches like Bret, Steamboat and Hennig. I couldn't agree more. And to ask the kids here who only saw him weather toward the end of his career, you ready do need to check out this matches from the NWA in the 80's. His feud with Steamboat was LEGEN --- wait for it --- DARY. You'll see how one of the best ever can carry one of the worst ever to don't of the greatest matches of all time. You kids also need to see Ricky Steamboat vs Randy Savage at WrestleMania III. It has nothing to do with this thread, it's just ing amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 11:09:58 GMT -5
Let's not be ridiculous here just for the sake of it...
I also found Ric Flair overrated in the ring but to say he's the worst you've ever seen is just nonsense and looking to start something.
No way in hell was Flair worse in the ring than Giant Gonzalez, Great Khali, Sandman, etc. and to even think that he was is just ridiculous.
Flair had some great matches with many talented guys. We're Flair's matches predictable? Yes. Repetitive? Yes.
But don't call him the worst worker you've ever seen when I know you people have watched Wrestlemania 9.
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Post by T R W on Feb 12, 2015 11:13:47 GMT -5
I grew up watching Flair in his prime in the NWA. To be honest I enjoyed Flair's ring psychology and matches. A lot. He is my all-time favorite, but at the same time, I understand why other people don't care for him. He certainly wasn't flawless. But I saw him put on great matches for 30 - 60 minutes with Hawk, Nikita, Dusty, Ronnie Garvin, Kerry Von Erich, Sgt. Slaughter, Michael Hayes, Lex Luger, Sting, Vader, and tons of people that weren't technical masters like Steamboat either. Was flair Bret Hart or Steamboat in the ring? No. But he was a master at working the crowd, and building tension in a match. He told excellent stories in the ring. Sure, later on he got more predictable with his spots, but it wasn't until later in WCW it got where it was too much. I understand he isn't for everybody. As far as him being ugly, I don't really disagree, but a LOT of women in the 80s were into Flair, and he got lots of loud cheers from women when he came out for promos and matches. I witnessed it first hand.
Though I do think calling him the worst ever is just silly hyperbole. Most overrated, most overhyped, Not great, are all valid opinions. Worst ever just makes you sound silly in a world where Nathan Jones and Eric Watts were both wrestlers.
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Post by IwasULTIMATE!!!! on Feb 12, 2015 11:40:42 GMT -5
I would have to say Kenzo Suzuki was one of the worst (maybe THE worst for me) he just bad all around and his finisher was never good for him. No impact at all.
I am surprised a couple people here said Heidenreich. Though he is my guilty pleasure (no, I don't mean HeidenRape). Loved his finisher and his "pow-pow, pow-pow" punches were amusing.
An honorable mention would have to be Miz. He is not the worse but Dear F'n GOD, he is BORING. Every move is done in the most boring manner with little to no emotion. The only time I liked him was when he took that Legit Trouble in Paradise to the face.
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Post by Brad on Feb 12, 2015 12:04:16 GMT -5
Underta...just kidding....
Kahli for sure.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 12, 2015 12:47:56 GMT -5
Let's not be ridiculous here just for the sake of it... I also found Ric Flair overrated in the ring but to say he's the worst you've ever seen is just nonsense and looking to start something. No way in hell was Flair worse in the ring than Giant Gonzalez, Great Khali, Sandman, etc. and to even think that he was is just ridiculous. Flair had some great matches with many talented guys. We're Flair's matches predictable? Yes. Repetitive? Yes. But don't call him the worst worker you've ever seen when I know you people have watched Wrestlemania 9. This. 100%.
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Post by ohernan6 on Feb 12, 2015 18:24:17 GMT -5
Could Jackie Gayda be considered?
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 12, 2015 18:29:09 GMT -5
How has Jeff Hardy not been mentioned? I mean seriously can you name me any memorable Hardy moment that didnt involve him throwing himself off of a ladder or through a table? He fought like a kid plays a wrestling game...kick, punch, kick, punch, top rope & misses a move, kick, punch, high spot off the ladder and pin.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 19:35:25 GMT -5
Could Jackie Gayda be considered? To be fair she was put into the ring very early and barely had that much time training but she had gotten a little bit better later on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 20:10:26 GMT -5
Steve McMichael
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 20:26:20 GMT -5
How has Jeff Hardy not been mentioned? I mean seriously can you name me any memorable Hardy moment that didnt involve him throwing himself off of a ladder or through a table? He fought like a kid plays a wrestling game...kick, punch, kick, punch, top rope & misses a move, kick, punch, high spot off the ladder and pin. Jeff was bad if you take away the high spots, but there have been much much much worse wrestlers than him, which is why he hasn't been mentioned.
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Post by Colter on Feb 12, 2015 20:28:53 GMT -5
Khali.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 12, 2015 21:16:30 GMT -5
How has Jeff Hardy not been mentioned? I mean seriously can you name me any memorable Hardy moment that didnt involve him throwing himself off of a ladder or through a table? He fought like a kid plays a wrestling game...kick, punch, kick, punch, top rope & misses a move, kick, punch, high spot off the ladder and pin. Jeff was bad if you take away the high spots, but there have been much much much worse wrestlers than him, which is why he hasn't been mentioned. Plus a ton of those spots were incredible. You work with what you have and Jeff has always been willing to sacrifice his body for the sake of our entertainment. I've always respected that about him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 0:39:12 GMT -5
I'm also adding Mick Foley to this. He is one of the absolute worse ever. You say Khali and the like can't work. Well, Foley is the same. Horrendous.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 0:46:20 GMT -5
I'm also adding Mick Foley to this. He is one of the absolute worse ever. You say Khali and the like can't work. Well, Foley is the same. Horrendous. He's in the same category as Jeff Hardy. They weren't mat technicians, they had a very specific style, but they clearly loved the audience and gave their all every night which resulted in countless numbers of memorable matches. I'll take Cactus vs Triple H at Royal Rumble over any Khali match ever.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 0:50:37 GMT -5
How has Jeff Hardy not been mentioned? I mean seriously can you name me any memorable Hardy moment that didnt involve him throwing himself off of a ladder or through a table? He fought like a kid plays a wrestling game...kick, punch, kick, punch, top rope & misses a move, kick, punch, high spot off the ladder and pin. I'm also adding Mick Foley to this. He is one of the absolute worse ever. You say Khali and the like can't work. Well, Foley is the same. Horrendous. So you two would rather watch New Jack, the Sandman, Ian Rotten, or The Great Antonio wrestle, right? Come on, Jeff's no in ring technician and I'm sure as hell biased, but to say he's the worst is downright ludicrous and wrong. And Palmer already explained Foley and Jeff well too so I'll leave it at that.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Feb 13, 2015 1:19:14 GMT -5
Uncle Elmer, he had less to offer than Giant Gonzalez, Great Khali, every bad Diva and almost everyone else in the thread. Jeff Hardy, Mick Foley, Curtis Axel, DH Smith, Ric Flair? Worst ever? Zeus was a wrestling god next to Uncle Elmer.
What do I win?
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 13, 2015 1:32:37 GMT -5
How has Jeff Hardy not been mentioned? I mean seriously can you name me any memorable Hardy moment that didnt involve him throwing himself off of a ladder or through a table? He fought like a kid plays a wrestling game...kick, punch, kick, punch, top rope & misses a move, kick, punch, high spot off the ladder and pin. I'm also adding Mick Foley to this. He is one of the absolute worse ever. You say Khali and the like can't work. Well, Foley is the same. Horrendous. So you two would rather watch New Jack, the Sandman, Ian Rotten, or The Great Antonio wrestle, right? Come on, Jeff's no in ring technician and I'm sure as hell biased, but to say he's the worst is downright ludicrous and wrong. And Palmer already explained Foley and Jeff well too so I'll leave it at that. Lets be realistic here..If we're truly going to find the "worst wrestler ever" then we all know its some 40lbs over weight guy that wrestles at a Flea Market, that was watching wrestling one night and said "After this beer Imma be a rassler"....We know that but when you remove nobodies like him and yes remove guys like Big Show, Khali, Andre etc who were hampered by their sizes and look at guys who actually made their names in big time wrestling, Jeff Hardy can easily be put at the top of that list. Does New Jack suck? Sure...does Ian Rotten suck? Of course but if they walk down a street nobody is going to recognize them. They're nobodies. Throw those guys out with your redneck rassler at the Flea Market. Mick Foley gets thrown under the bus but Ive seen Foley have feuds with Vader, Sting and The Undertaker that didn't involve spot fests. Were there matches that did involve it? Sure, but not every match was some bloody brawl and those matches were still memorable. What all did Jeff Hardy do that was amazing? There was TLC 1 and TLC 2 and a ladder match with Undertaker, and yes...all great matches...but they were all spot fests that needed props. When did Hardy ever go in and wrestle someone for 30-45 mins? When did he ever go into a ring and show that he had any sort of ring psychology? And I'm sure someone will bring up his feud with Punk and to be honest, I didn't watch it but it goes with something that's been stated here in this thread already, how good are you if the person you're wrestling is carrying you..... Which leads me to the next topic. Anyone that says Ric Flair is a bad wrestler is just making a complete asinine statement. I'm not going to tell people they have to love or hate Flair or that you have to say he's the very best ever... but to say he isn't good at what he does just shows you have no idea what you're talking about. It's one thing for a fan to say "Flair is great" but its an opinion that can be easily swayed by being biased. When nearly every one of Flairs peers say that Flair is the greatest, peers that know a hell of a lot more then we as fans do, then that should say something. Saying "Well Flair only had good matches when he had someone to carry him like Steamboat" is dumb because Flair vs Road Warrior Hawk tore houses down on the GAB tour and lets be honest, Road Warrior Hawk doesn't have ring ability of a Kurt Angle. There are many instances where Flair has gotten into the ring with subpar competition and has put on great matches and tore a soldout house down. The only people I ever see bash Flair & his ring work are Shane Douglas, who's bitter because he always thinks someone is screwing him and Bret Hart who's too busy with his own head up his ass believing he's the greatest wrestler to ever walk the planet. Which leads me to another point. The fans of wrestlers that say "so and so isn't good cause he did the same stuff every match" clearly do not pay attention to wrestling. Perfect example, if you take a middle rope elbow, Russian leg sweep, back-breaker and a sharpshooter away from Bret Hart, what kinda match do you have? Bret Hart did the same select moves in every match just as Flair did, just as Hogan did, just as Savage, Cena, Triple H, HBK & every other great wrestler did. What makes those guys great is the fact they can take a handful of moves and make a story out of them and put asses in those 18" seats.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 1:36:51 GMT -5
Khali has no redeeming qualities
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