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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 22:59:32 GMT -5
I have a theory that the IWC is right now than they are wrong and everyone in the business just keeps telling us we're wrong. I doubt it's true, but wouldn't it be great if it was? It's not.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Mar 4, 2015 23:10:08 GMT -5
You know if something is booked badly because the target audience will tell you, However I think Triple H knows this, he's running NXT to pretty much 0 complaint of the IWC.
But I also think he has a beef with the internet wrestling community for blaming him for Raw and other WWE booking sucking, I think he says we dont know how the business works because people seem to think Triple H personally is holding certain people back or pushing the "wrong people" or booking crap storylines/angles, when I'm pretty sure Vince still says whats going on tv and whats not. If Vince, who we know to be out of touch at this point, is vetoing actual good storylines/booking ideas then Triple H cant really do anything.
As long as Vince is still head honcho I cant see much getting better.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Mar 4, 2015 23:13:43 GMT -5
if you don't like it, stop watching.
I'll never understand why people hatewatch stuff. I stopped watching WWE last January and I've been much happier for it.
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Post by RKOrton #ThankYouLesnar on Mar 4, 2015 23:32:18 GMT -5
This thread did go as you expect, huh? precisely! *rubs hands together*
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Post by screech on Mar 5, 2015 0:05:22 GMT -5
Whether or not it's a shoot, Triple is playing a bad guy character and I certainly don't blame him for trying to get as much heat as possible.
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Post by Dan on Mar 5, 2015 0:18:55 GMT -5
The bigger picture is, what progression for the future do we have if it's Brock Lesnar vs Daniel Bryan? Bryan is already a Top Star after last year's Wrestlemania, they need to build new ones, even if they aren't completely ready yet.
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Post by 0,Y on Mar 5, 2015 3:27:32 GMT -5
If the most over guy has to face the top heel in the company we're all looking at the main event between John Cena and Seth Rollins.
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Post by Falconsinclair on Mar 5, 2015 4:03:02 GMT -5
There is a real simple way to outs Ole Vinnie Mac these days.
WWE recently announced that Triple H & Stephanie were named to the board of directors. All it would take is for both Steph and Trips to get in the ear of the majority of the board and they can have Vince removed as the C.E.O. of the company. If WrestleMania is a huge bust this year (which it could be with more people using the network worldwide then a year ago) it would be the perfect time for them to pull off removing Vince from power. Vince would still be majority owner of the company, but he would have zero say in the creative direction of the company. Sadly with Steph constantly pulling the family line I can't see her backing Trips in this direction unless the company plummets even further down the stock market.
The lower the stock goes the worse it looks on Vince and his "vision" for what the company should be.
Pro Wrestling made them the company they are today and the time for them to return that root is LONG overdue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 8:10:59 GMT -5
dude! I'm saying he is wrong if he thinks we don't understand how it works. That's literally what I said in my post! I did let say it's his fault Bryan is not main eventing . Right, and...you're wrong. Let the IWC book Wrestlemania, and you'll have one of the worst and poorly booked shows of all time. Triple H is not wrong in saying that the internet doesn't know crap about the business. 98% of the IWC knows absolutely nothing. This is so true. I can't stand it when some people think they know all about the wrestling business/industry in a fan's/viewer's perspective, merely reading dirt sheets and listening to podcasts. I believe there's way more business and long term decisions that influence bookings than we have an idea about.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 10:42:05 GMT -5
I understand what the OP is trying to say.
I think insulting your "smart" fanbase is a mistake as they're the ones buying the Network, tickets, merchandise, etc. more often than the casual fan.
However, it maybe could've been worded a little differently without taking a poo on 'H who seems to be trying to make things better anyway.
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Post by havoc7179 on Mar 5, 2015 11:04:26 GMT -5
Im so tired and fed up, Im fed up with HHH shooting on the IWC every other Raw on how "They think they know how this business works but they don't know a damn thing". And I touched on this in the Issue with Daniel Bryan ladder match Topic posted by MattlesRule. But i wanted to create a new topic on it to get yours thoughts on this. I'm tired HHH and the WWE insulting our intelligence and I'm SICK of the IWC getting heat from marks for not being ''happy'' with the booking. NEWSFLASH Hunter, WE DO GET THE BUSINESS! Its Pro wrestling and when it comes down to good booking and good business decisions this isn't Rocket Science my friend. As a matter of fact its quite the contrary HHH, YOU don't know how this business works! The most over guy in the company gets pushed, he does not get put in a match with other mid carders who will now get overshadowed because of Bryan being in this ladder match. Everyone suffers from bad booking not just Bryan and the fans. Now when it comes to WRESTLEMANIA, the most over guy in the company faces the TOP HEEL in the company. There is nothing over complicated about this and I'm not going buy into this non sense that because I'm a fan that means i don't know what I'm talking about. Fans are smarter these days and in the words of wise man, who expressed that he did not want to return a face because fans would reject it the idea. "DEAL WITH IT" I'm just going to say this: Wrestling is the only form of entertainment that chides its audience. Every single sport, television series, and celebrity has marks. They have fan clubs. They have television stations dedicated to the genre. They have people playing Monday Morning Quarterback calling in explaining why they should hand off to Beast Mode and not throw a football. Yet, those genres don't say the Internet Community of Seahawks fans or the Internet Community of Allison Brie fans are idiots. Wrestling is the only one where you can't have an opinion because you don't know what's really going on. Wrestlers think they're above every other form of entertainment medium, but they aren't. If fans want to dissect their business decisions, they can. I do that all the time to the Miami Dolphins, Miami Heat, and Miami Marlins. I dissect How I Met Your Mother and its horrid ending. I theorize about Community. Yet none of those business entities get butt hurt when I do. Triple H, Ken Anderson, Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash, Lance Storm, Dustin Runnels, etc. etc. all scream marks in a derogatory fashion because we dare to express our displeasure with the product. It's a product. Sorry Triple H. It is. If I'm able to go on Amazon and explain why I hate a certain grille, you bet I can come online and express my displeasure about some scripted television show. Just because I don't know the worker who put together the grille or the time and money it spent in research and development, doesn't mean I don't have the ability to say it can't cook a steak.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 5, 2015 11:08:04 GMT -5
Don't blame Triple H.....blame Vince McMahon. Triple H has total control over NXT and look at how awesome those guys are doing. Vince McMahon is senile and doesn't understand what people want to see in 2015.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 11:14:51 GMT -5
Im so tired and fed up, Im fed up with HHH shooting on the IWC every other Raw on how "They think they know how this business works but they don't know a damn thing". And I touched on this in the Issue with Daniel Bryan ladder match Topic posted by MattlesRule. But i wanted to create a new topic on it to get yours thoughts on this. I'm tired HHH and the WWE insulting our intelligence and I'm SICK of the IWC getting heat from marks for not being ''happy'' with the booking. NEWSFLASH Hunter, WE DO GET THE BUSINESS! Its Pro wrestling and when it comes down to good booking and good business decisions this isn't Rocket Science my friend. As a matter of fact its quite the contrary HHH, YOU don't know how this business works! The most over guy in the company gets pushed, he does not get put in a match with other mid carders who will now get overshadowed because of Bryan being in this ladder match. Everyone suffers from bad booking not just Bryan and the fans. Now when it comes to WRESTLEMANIA, the most over guy in the company faces the TOP HEEL in the company. There is nothing over complicated about this and I'm not going buy into this non sense that because I'm a fan that means i don't know what I'm talking about. Fans are smarter these days and in the words of wise man, who expressed that he did not want to return a face because fans would reject it the idea. "DEAL WITH IT" I'm just going to say this: Wrestling is the only form of entertainment that chides its audience. Every single sport, television series, and celebrity has marks. They have fan clubs. They have television stations dedicated to the genre. They have people playing Monday Morning Quarterback calling in explaining why they should hand off to Beast Mode and not throw a football. Yet, those genres don't say the Internet Community of Seahawks fans or the Internet Community of Allison Brie fans are idiots. Wrestling is the only one where you can't have an opinion because you don't know what's really going on. Wrestlers think they're above every other form of entertainment medium, but they aren't. If fans want to dissect their business decisions, they can. I do that all the time to the Miami Dolphins, Miami Heat, and Miami Marlins. I dissect How I Met Your Mother and its horrid ending. I theorize about Community. Yet none of those business entities get butt hurt when I do. Triple H, Ken Anderson, Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash, Lance Storm, Dustin Runnels, etc. etc. all scream marks in a derogatory fashion because we dare to express our displeasure with the product. It's a product. Sorry Triple H. It is. If I'm able to go on Amazon and explain why I hate a certain grille, you bet I can come online and express my displeasure about some scripted television show. Just because I don't know the worker who put together the grille or the time and money it spent in research and development, doesn't mean I don't have the ability to say it can't cook a steak. Those forms of entertainment absolutely get pissed at the fair-weather fans. They don't have the platform to express it. They don't have a live mic. Could it be scripted in? Sure, but their networks won't allow a direct shot to their fanbase. In wrestling you have more freedom because they have this thing called kayfabe. Wrestlers insult the fans every single week. Paul Levesque plays a bad guy known as Triple H. His job to piss off the fans. Judging by the OP, it worked.
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Post by Rattlehead on Mar 5, 2015 11:20:13 GMT -5
I think it's hilarious when HHH insults the intelligence of the fans. You proved his point with this thread. This guy lives and breathes wrestling business. Only problem imo is he can be very arrogant and egotistical.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 11:27:04 GMT -5
The most over guy in the company gets pushed, he does not get put in a match with other mid carders who will now get overshadowed Jesus christ you complain when Cena is in the main event, and then you complain when he in't in the main event. Make up your mind god damnit.
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Post by WrestlingRebook on Mar 5, 2015 11:29:55 GMT -5
You still watch the show right?
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 5, 2015 11:31:06 GMT -5
Misdirected anger. Your issue is with Vince McMahon, not HHH. Not sure how that isn't clear at this point. HHH is busy trying to sign Samoa Joe. Vince is busy trying to shove Cena-Lite up our ass. Big ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif) ing difference. Who do you think has final say on the dialogue for the Raw script? Yeah, good talk.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 11:38:49 GMT -5
I find Triple H hilarous when he rips us and I find it hilarious that the OP got a strop on about it. Misdirected anger. Your issue is with Vince McMahon, not HHH. Not sure how that isn't clear at this point. HHH is busy trying to sign Samoa Joe. Vince is busy trying to shove Cena-Lite up our ass. Big ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif) ing difference. Who do you think has final say on the dialogue for the Raw script? Yeah, good talk. This post is just as dumb as the OP.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Mar 5, 2015 11:43:42 GMT -5
Like most said, see NXT. That's how I believe Trip will handle the main roster shows along with Steph. He's been in the business 20+ years, he knows what's going on. Just because you've been watching for more doesn't mean you know more.
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Post by Rattlehead on Mar 5, 2015 11:45:16 GMT -5
The bigger picture is, what progression for the future do we have if it's Brock Lesnar vs Daniel Bryan? Bryan is already a Top Star after last year's Wrestlemania, they need to build new ones, even if they aren't completely ready yet. Roman Reigns, AND most viewers are booing him. This past Monday i watched raw and before that it's been since last year i watched an episode. When i watched Roman cut his promo, it's not as bad as I thought it'd be like most here made it seem. When they don't push someone we complain, when they do, we crap on how they're not ready. So, I don't blame HHH for mocking IWC. The complaints can get ridiculous.
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