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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 23:57:44 GMT -5
Love the Elite line, 2nd best WWF/E action figures ever made, but I'd like to see some new tooling in regards to articulation.
The figures have double-jointed knees, but only single-joint elbows. As a result most (all?) figures cannot bring their hands together. Fix this.
Kneepads: some are good, but some are awful and hinder articulation. There's gotta be a better way to do these.
Feet: a toe joint would be amazing. Also, a better means for the ankle rocker to rock. Definitely like that they can flatten their feet but it always feels like its stressing the plastic.
Then stuff that I know will never ever happen like a 2nd ab crunch or interchangeable hands would really make these top of the line figures as far as American stuff goes. What I'm ultimately saying is: please don't get complacent like what happened with DC Universe Classics. Improve, re-tool, expand on what the figures can do.
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Post by Roman Bellic on Mar 7, 2015 1:40:46 GMT -5
the divas NEED more hand articulation
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Post by PJ on Mar 7, 2015 5:51:20 GMT -5
Double elbows never look right when bent. The same with double knees, but at least the knee pads hide most of them. But not enough wear elbow pads to hide it.
Toe (and finger joints) are two POA spots I personally hate to the point that I actually glue them on every ML, LotR, Toy Biz wrestler that I've ever purchased with them.
Interchangable hands will probably never happen because of safty issues. I can see them being a choking issue.
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Post by mrhoss on Mar 7, 2015 8:13:13 GMT -5
I think the new CAW figures have interchangeable hands. I thought it might be a safety issue, too. Maybe not because the CAWs look to be the same size as Basics and Elites.
The ankle rockers seem to be a waste to me because they don't move well. Most of the other companies do them better.
I wish all the figures had ball jointed hips. I'm always disappointed when I get a new figure and it still has the cup-like design. It's one of the first things I check.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 8:18:03 GMT -5
Don't really care about double jointed elbows Knee pads can be fixed with a simple switch Toe joints seem pointless. They literally do nothing.
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Post by MADNESS_NH_97 on Mar 7, 2015 8:28:25 GMT -5
The Diva Figs need better Wrist Articulation and improve the Leg Articulation i don't need a Double Knee Joint but you should be able to move their legs out as much as the Elite Superstar Figure Legs ! Does anyone know why it even is like that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 17:21:42 GMT -5
Interchangable hands will probably never happen because of safty issues. I can see them being a choking issue. The reason I think this argument holds no weight anymore is because Japanese companies have done this for years, and now even Hasbro is getting in on the act with their Star Wars Black figures and Marvel Legends. The new Iron Fist comes with plenty: These are "adult collector" lines the same as WWE Elite, can we stop pretending only kids want these? The basic, cheaper line is for them anyway. Don't really care about double jointed elbows Knee pads can be fixed with a simple switch Toe joints seem pointless. They literally do nothing. Nothing other than improve posing by adding stability, and making poses look more realistic? Nothing other than that? Also, what "simple switch" would you suggest? Doing some sort of custom work involving another figure's kneepads and paint? Or slicing a hole in the kneepad and thus damaging the figure? None of this should be necessary. Mattel should fix the kneepads. Really baffled by people actually arguing against better articulation on figures whose primary selling point is their articulation.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Mar 7, 2015 17:32:18 GMT -5
No thanks to all of those.
Double jointed elbows look horrible. The kneepads are fine and are nowhere near as bad as they were at the start of Mattel's run. And I don't see the point at all regarding a toe joint, it seems so pointless.
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Post by PJ on Mar 7, 2015 17:43:58 GMT -5
But for most that isn't improving the figures. The DCUC had the perfect amount of articulation. Toy Biz got carried away and add so many extra POA that ruined their figures by making them to flimsy and eye sores. Such as... Shoulder hinges Double elbows Extra ab crunch Fingers Toe hinges
They didn't make the figures any better. They made them more fragile and less appealing to look at.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 18:02:32 GMT -5
No thanks to all of those. Double jointed elbows look horrible. The kneepads are fine and are nowhere near as bad as they were at the start of Mattel's run. And I don't see the point at all regarding a toe joint, it seems so pointless. So these figures are perfect, flawless, the greatest action figures ever made?
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Mar 7, 2015 18:06:15 GMT -5
No thanks to all of those. Double jointed elbows look horrible. The kneepads are fine and are nowhere near as bad as they were at the start of Mattel's run. And I don't see the point at all regarding a toe joint, it seems so pointless. So these figures are perfect, flawless, the greatest action figures ever made? Lulz. Articulation wise, yes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 18:08:39 GMT -5
You should check out an SH Figuarts sometime and get back to me.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Mar 7, 2015 18:11:16 GMT -5
You should check out an SH Figuarts sometime and get back to me. Just did, didn't like them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 18:15:55 GMT -5
Looking at pictures on Google and actually holding something in your hand are two different things.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Mar 7, 2015 18:19:16 GMT -5
Looking at pictures on Google and actually holding something in your hand are two different things. I'm not going to buy a figure for the sake of an internet discussion... So I still stand by my statement that the Mattel's WWE figure articulation is fine and doesn't need changing.
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Post by mrhoss on Mar 7, 2015 18:37:40 GMT -5
Figuarts also cost about twice as much as an Elite. I like them. I think their paint apps and plastic quality look and feel great, but I don't think I enjoy them more than a Mattel Elite. I guess it depends on who you buy. I paid $68 for a Figma Captain America, about $55 for a Batman and I think they were below an American figure. While Mario, Luigi, Link, Power Rangers destroy the American figures.
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Post by cableV on Mar 7, 2015 18:53:30 GMT -5
But for most that isn't improving the figures. The DCUC had the perfect amount of articulation. Toy Biz got carried away and add so many extra POA that ruined their figures by making them to flimsy and eye sores. Such as... Shoulder hinges Double elbows Extra ab crunch Fingers Toe hinges They didn't make the figures any better. They made them more fragile and less appealing to look at. This
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Post by Duck Holliday on Mar 8, 2015 5:45:46 GMT -5
Toe joints are freaking awful. The ankle joints and rockers already give plenty range of movement. Toe joints often become loose and make posing harder, and the feet look floppy.
I agree on the Elbows though.. that would be fine.
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Post by Mr. #1derful 🇵🇸 on Mar 8, 2015 15:23:54 GMT -5
While I disagree with toe joints, double jointed elbows would be very welcome in my book. Anyone who tried to pose the DM Hogan holding the ends of the "rippable" shirt in each hand knows how useful double hinged elbows could have been in that situation. Looking over the Super Toy Con pics, it was pitiful seeing Zeb with his hand over his stomach instead of his heart.The ankle rockers seem to be a waste to me because they don't move well. Most of the other companies do them better. Hasbro does ankle pivot exceptionally well. The up & down motion of the ankle joints on most Elites don't move unless you exert a ridiculous amount of force or use heat to loosen them up. I wish all the figures had ball jointed hips. I'm always disappointed when I get a new figure and it still has the cup-like design. It's one of the first things I check. There's always fear that the hip joints on my older Mattels will fail. I wish they'd hurry up with the transition. The Diva Figs need better Wrist Articulation and improve the Leg Articulation i don't need a Double Knee Joint but you should be able to move their legs out as much as the Elite Superstar Figure Legs ! Does anyone know why it even is like that? I don't know how El Torito and that green midget get wrist hinges, but the divas years later are still stuck with just the swivel rotation for their hands. The average diva figure's hips should have the range of motion of Melina's figures and the double knees like Miss Elizabeth.
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Post by MADNESS_NH_97 on Mar 8, 2015 17:44:56 GMT -5
While I disagree with toe joints, double jointed elbows would be very welcome in my book. Anyone who tried to pose the DM Hogan holding the ends of the "rippable" shirt in each hand knows how useful double hinged elbows could have been in that situation. Looking over the Super Toy Con pics, it was pitiful seeing Zeb with his hand over his stomach instead of his heart.The ankle rockers seem to be a waste to me because they don't move well. Most of the other companies do them better. Hasbro does ankle pivot exceptionally well. The up & down motion of the ankle joints on most Elites don't move unless you exert a ridiculous amount of force or use heat to loosen them up. I wish all the figures had ball jointed hips. I'm always disappointed when I get a new figure and it still has the cup-like design. It's one of the first things I check. There's always fear that the hip joints on my older Mattels will fail. I wish they'd hurry up with the transition. The Diva Figs need better Wrist Articulation and improve the Leg Articulation i don't need a Double Knee Joint but you should be able to move their legs out as much as the Elite Superstar Figure Legs ! Does anyone know why it even is like that? I don't know how El Torito and that green midget get wrist hinges, but the divas years later are still stuck with just the swivel rotation for their hands. The average diva figure's hips should have the range of motion of Melina's figures and the double knees like Miss Elizabeth. So they give better articulation to Melina because of her split but not to Divas like AJ, Mickie James, Trish and other Divas that use Kicks as Signature Moves and the only Diva Figure with Double Knee joint is the Fig of a Valet... WTF Mattel?
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