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Post by v/\v on Jun 16, 2015 14:21:14 GMT -5
I think the way they've had Kit almost immediately do these interviews is laying it on crazy thick that he'll come back, as one Ser Alliser would say... the lady doth protest too much.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jun 17, 2015 13:18:00 GMT -5
Right. But let's ask why Melisandre is at Castle Black? She clearly had her doubts about Stannis and those doubts brought her right back to Jon, conveniently. Only two people on the entire show can be Azor Ahai. Either Jon or Dany. Melisandre didn't ride towards Mereen and only one of those two characters fights with Valerian Steel, and had a d*ck measuring contest with Ice Maul. We saw a guy revived/saved in season 3(?) and we know additional characters have avoided permanent death in the books. Had they done this in Episode 1 of next season, and then brought him back towards the end, awesome. But they didn't and all this will be exposed through the internet, Kit's other projects schedule, and inevitable set photos. It's just dumb. You're expecting to not lose people as fans over a year's time and the assumption that book readers and the internet will draw people back in for next season. Again though, in the off chance he's really dead for good, you've lost the viewers entirely. I've never understood that logic (and this isn't a knock on YOU personally either), that if your favorite character dies on a show then you stop watching the show entirely.... then you were never a fan of the show to begin with. GOOD television isn't about ONE character on a show, a GOOD show has you invest in MULTIPLE characters, so that when events like last night happen... you push on to see how it affects who's left. Jon is arguably the biggest death on the show EVER (and that's saying something on a show that has killed dozens of it's principal cast over the years) but it definitely doesn't feel like there's NO reason to watch the show without him; there's PLENTY left going on. That said, I do think he'll be back as you said: HIGHLIGHT TO READ: They spent too much time over the past few episodes HINTING that he's Azor. True for most shows but GoT has killed most of them off already. I can't stand Dany, like Tyrion but his story has been getting consistently worse since S2 (though it was still quality in S3), dislike Sansa, hate Brienne, like Jaime, don't care about Cersei, not bothered by Arya. Loved Jon and loved Stannis before he burned his daughter - they were my 2 favourite characters. I don't believe Jon is dead and I'm not even sure about Stannis, but if they are then by my count there's 2 major characters I like and a fair few I don't want to watch. I'm not saying I would definitely abandon the show, but it would certainly be infinitely less interesting to me.
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Post by Rule 30 on Jun 17, 2015 14:03:44 GMT -5
I've never understood that logic (and this isn't a knock on YOU personally either), that if your favorite character dies on a show then you stop watching the show entirely.... then you were never a fan of the show to begin with. GOOD television isn't about ONE character on a show, a GOOD show has you invest in MULTIPLE characters, so that when events like last night happen... you push on to see how it affects who's left. Jon is arguably the biggest death on the show EVER (and that's saying something on a show that has killed dozens of it's principal cast over the years) but it definitely doesn't feel like there's NO reason to watch the show without him; there's PLENTY left going on. That said, I do think he'll be back as you said: HIGHLIGHT TO READ: They spent too much time over the past few episodes HINTING that he's Azor. True for most shows but GoT has killed most of them off already. I can't stand Dany, like Tyrion but his story has been getting consistently worse since S2 (though it was still quality in S3), dislike Sansa, hate Brienne, like Jaime, don't care about Cersei, not bothered by Arya. Loved Jon and loved Stannis before he burned his daughter - they were my 2 favourite characters. I don't believe Jon is dead and I'm not even sure about Stannis, but if they are then by my count there's 2 major characters I like and a fair few I don't want to watch. I'm not saying I would definitely abandon the show, but it would certainly be infinitely less interesting to me. I think Stannis is done. His story has nowhere further to go (since he'll never have the Iron Throne) and he's lost his army, family, and even Mel. He has absolutely nothing left. I would love to see him stick around, however, he's always been one of the most interesting characters in the story.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 15:22:47 GMT -5
True for most shows but GoT has killed most of them off already. I can't stand Dany, like Tyrion but his story has been getting consistently worse since S2 (though it was still quality in S3), dislike Sansa, hate Brienne, like Jaime, don't care about Cersei, not bothered by Arya. Loved Jon and loved Stannis before he burned his daughter - they were my 2 favourite characters. I don't believe Jon is dead and I'm not even sure about Stannis, but if they are then by my count there's 2 major characters I like and a fair few I don't want to watch. I'm not saying I would definitely abandon the show, but it would certainly be infinitely less interesting to me. I think Stannis is done. His story has nowhere further to go (since he'll never have the Iron Throne) and he's lost his army, family, and even Mel. He has absolutely nothing left. I would love to see him stick around, however, he's always been one of the most interesting characters in the story. I'd love to see Stannis sticking around too.....think he has plenty left to offer.
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Post by Rule 30 on Jun 17, 2015 16:03:35 GMT -5
I think Stannis is done. His story has nowhere further to go (since he'll never have the Iron Throne) and he's lost his army, family, and even Mel. He has absolutely nothing left. I would love to see him stick around, however, he's always been one of the most interesting characters in the story. I'd love to see Stannis sticking around too.....think he has plenty left to offer. I feel like as a character they have plenty they can explore, like where does he go after realizing all the terrible things he's done have been for nothing? After realizing he burned his own daughter alive for a lie? The only problem is without an army or family, it's hard to see what role he can play in the plot, he's already lost the Game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 19:27:53 GMT -5
I'd love to see Stannis sticking around too.....think he has plenty left to offer. I feel like as a character they have plenty they can explore, like where does he go after realizing all the terrible things he's done have been for nothing? After realizing he burned his own daughter alive for a lie? The only problem is without an army or family, it's hard to see what role he can play in the plot, he's already lost the Game. I would love to see Brienne and Stannis being interrupted by Sansa & Reek then fighting off some Boltons and him pledging himself to Sansa or some such Just spitballing here really!!!
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Post by Rule 30 on Jun 17, 2015 20:42:03 GMT -5
I feel like as a character they have plenty they can explore, like where does he go after realizing all the terrible things he's done have been for nothing? After realizing he burned his own daughter alive for a lie? The only problem is without an army or family, it's hard to see what role he can play in the plot, he's already lost the Game. I would love to see Brienne and Stannis being interrupted by Sansa & Reek then fighting off some Boltons and him pledging himself to Sansa or some such Just spitballing here really!!! Anything to keep Stannis alive is fine by me... I would love for him to have one last scene with Mel after realizing she was wrong.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jun 19, 2015 6:58:37 GMT -5
True for most shows but GoT has killed most of them off already. I can't stand Dany, like Tyrion but his story has been getting consistently worse since S2 (though it was still quality in S3), dislike Sansa, hate Brienne, like Jaime, don't care about Cersei, not bothered by Arya. Loved Jon and loved Stannis before he burned his daughter - they were my 2 favourite characters. I don't believe Jon is dead and I'm not even sure about Stannis, but if they are then by my count there's 2 major characters I like and a fair few I don't want to watch. I'm not saying I would definitely abandon the show, but it would certainly be infinitely less interesting to me. I think Stannis is done. His story has nowhere further to go (since he'll never have the Iron Throne) and he's lost his army, family, and even Mel. He has absolutely nothing left. I would love to see him stick around, however, he's always been one of the most interesting characters in the story. I think you are probably right, but like Joker says, its a shame as he's a really interesting character.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 17:42:31 GMT -5
I think Stannis is done. His story has nowhere further to go (since he'll never have the Iron Throne) and he's lost his army, family, and even Mel. He has absolutely nothing left. I would love to see him stick around, however, he's always been one of the most interesting characters in the story. I think you are probably right, but like Joker says, its a shame as he's a really interesting character. I think its super weird that they didn't show Stannis dying. He was a huge character after all. Here's what I would like to see..... Brienne has hit the tree above Stannis head and is asking him how it feels to have lost everything etc etc....taunting him. Theon and Sansa on the run stumble across the two of them...... Some scouts of the Boltons come along and Brienne is doing well but would be killed except Stannis saves her and helps her fight them off. The 5 end up on the road to the Riverlands......with The Boltons in hot pursuit of their claim to The North. Stannis realising everything he has done to be folly decides that helping Ned Starks daughter escape the evil Boltons will be his way of making amends.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jun 20, 2015 3:22:33 GMT -5
I think you are probably right, but like Joker says, its a shame as he's a really interesting character. I think its super weird that they didn't show Stannis dying. He was a huge character after all. Here's what I would like to see..... Brienne has hit the tree above Stannis head and is asking him how it feels to have lost everything etc etc....taunting him. Theon and Sansa on the run stumble across the two of them...... Some scouts of the Boltons come along and Brienne is doing well but would be killed except Stannis saves her and helps her fight them off. The 5 end up on the road to the Riverlands......with The Boltons in hot pursuit of their claim to The North. Stannis realising everything he has done to be folly decides that helping Ned Starks daughter escape the evil Boltons will be his way of making amends. It would be similar to the Hound-Arya travels, which had some of the show's best scenes.
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