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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 7:53:32 GMT -5
Only thing worse would be a "Pole in me Arse" match. Are there even any Polish wrestlers? |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Apr 23, 2015 8:00:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean, they kinda are.....there are less people watching wrestling now than there were even 5-10 years ago, and significantly less than during he late 90's. And for every kid fan WWE gets, they probably lose 5 fans who are in their late 20's - 30's + because the current WWE product is just not appropriate for adults anymore. I'm not saying I need extreme violence or swearing or sexually explicit storylines, because I am very against all of that and I think it was a stain on the Attitude Era. But there has to be some kind of middle ground between Nickelodeon-style television and hardcore sex and violence. WWE for whatever reason has never seemed to be able to find that middle ground. It's either been cartoon character wrestlers, or porn stars, pimps, and ho's. Either the storylines are funny and cartoonish, or somebody is having sex with a dead body. There has to be a happy medium. Even now, things like people stealing the IC Title to build up the ladder match....that was ridiculous. It all centered around R-Truth. Things like Dean Ambrose stealing the MITB and then Seth Rollins opening it and getting hit with green slime....that is straight out of Nickelodeon! I'm a 30 year old male who has been watching for 22 years, I want something that has a little more realism to it, but that is still appropriate for families to watch. lol what the  are you talking about There are more people watching Raw on a weekly basis today than there was 5 years ago, 10 years ago is a different story, professional wrestling is no longer the cool thing, and despite the internet's best efforts to tell people it is, it's not WWE's fault. What on earth are you talking about with the WWE losing 5 fans and gaining 1? The ones that stick around are the adults, they're the hardcore fan base that will despite their best efforts continue to watch WWE and pour money into the product. As for children, to say that 1 new fan joins as 5 stop is absolutely ridiculous. I don't think you realise that new kids are tuning in weekly, whereas WWE loses a lifelong fan once every couple of weeks when they've decided its enough. WWE is reaching the middle ground right now, how you don't see that is remarkable to me. To say that WWE is anything close to Nickelodeon style is crazy as its the perfect hybrid of those two types of TV you mentioned. The stealing of the Intercontinental championship story wasn't great, but at least it made some sense in the fact that people were getting victories over Barrett and then feeling as though they were the unofficial champion. I'm a 17 year old male who has been watching for 10 years, I don't particularly enjoy the product nowadays as the product seems to drag, but to say that the style of wrestling we see nowadays is ridiculous. The highest rated episodes of Monday Night RAW are ones that guys like Hogan, Rock, Sting, and Brock Lesnar have been announced to be on, or some other type of Legends or Old School RAW. The difference in ratings is due to people tuning in to those shows that do not normally watch on a regular basis because they are not interested in the regular WWE product. Not Nickelodeon like? Do you remember when Natalya's storyline was that she used to not be able to control her farts? This was not that long ago, either. Brock Lesnar and Roman Reigns played tug-o-war for the belt the ONE TIME they met face to face in the ring in their build up to Wrestlemania. I don't know how more boring they could make that seem to an adult. There is more drama and physical contact between opponents at boxing and UFC weigh ins. Ronda Rousey and Meisha Tate legit almost came to blows one time at a weigh in for StrikeForce. But this is what WWE does. Vince McMahon HATES wrestling. If he could get rid of the ring and have them just do obstacle courses or reality show challenges he probably would. I'm sure Vince McMahon can't wait to get to Sunday so he can make Dolph Ziggler, one of the best WRESTLERS WWE has, kiss arse, lol. Instead of having Kane and Seth Rollins wrestle, maybe Kane can put something in Seth's food and make him have diarrhea and miss the show. We haven't done that prank in a while. Maybe we can have Seth Rollins go through Kane's suitcase and pull out a giant tub of ASS CREAM, it's been a long time since we've done that. Maybe Seth and Kane can have a big food fight and then Triple H can walk in and get hit with a pie in the face, oh boy, that sounds entertaining. They just need to find a way to involve Hornswoggle and El Torito and we'll be all set.  |
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Post by WalterF on Apr 23, 2015 8:03:25 GMT -5
Actually they are. Right now there are less people into professional wrestling than at any point in the history of the business. If wwe wasn't publicly traded and making money from investors they would be on life support right now. We are in one of the biggest valleys ever in wrestling history. Well yeah, compared to the wrestling boom period in the 80s and 90s, the biz in general isn't doing great. Compared to where they were at his point a year ago, they're doing very well, and the recent records they've broken when it comes to profit show that they're doing perfectly fine. You may think that WWE is doing badly just because you don't enjoy it anymore, but at the same time as you and a few other fickle people on the internet not, there are millions of people that do. The wheel as CM Punk said will keep turning, WWE will continue to make money. First off, I'm not fickle. When the product is quality I am more invested and when it is low quality, I turn to better alternatives. And secondly I stated they are in a rather low valley. I never said they won't continue on or they will go out of business. I simply stated that compared to the peaks when they are producing great television , they are now in a low valley. This is a plain fact, to deny this is to be DELUSIONAL. There are millions who enjoy it.......but if they were creating great product and great television there would be many more millions watching. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 8:12:44 GMT -5
lol what the are you talking about There are more people watching Raw on a weekly basis today than there was 5 years ago, 10 years ago is a different story, professional wrestling is no longer the cool thing, and despite the internet's best efforts to tell people it is, it's not WWE's fault. What on earth are you talking about with the WWE losing 5 fans and gaining 1? The ones that stick around are the adults, they're the hardcore fan base that will despite their best efforts continue to watch WWE and pour money into the product. As for children, to say that 1 new fan joins as 5 stop is absolutely ridiculous. I don't think you realise that new kids are tuning in weekly, whereas WWE loses a lifelong fan once every couple of weeks when they've decided its enough. WWE is reaching the middle ground right now, how you don't see that is remarkable to me. To say that WWE is anything close to Nickelodeon style is crazy as its the perfect hybrid of those two types of TV you mentioned. The stealing of the Intercontinental championship story wasn't great, but at least it made some sense in the fact that people were getting victories over Barrett and then feeling as though they were the unofficial champion. I'm a 17 year old male who has been watching for 10 years, I don't particularly enjoy the product nowadays as the product seems to drag, but to say that the style of wrestling we see nowadays is ridiculous. The highest rated episodes of Monday Night RAW are ones that guys like Hogan, Rock, Sting, and Brock Lesnar have been announced to be on, or some other type of Legends or Old School RAW. The difference in ratings is due to people tuning in to those shows that do not normally watch on a regular basis because they are not interested in the regular WWE product. Not Nickelodeon like? Do you remember when Natalya's storyline was that she used to not be able to control her farts? This was not that long ago, either. Brock Lesnar and Roman Reigns played tug-o-war for the belt the ONE TIME they met face to face in the ring in their build up to Wrestlemania. I don't know how more boring they could make that seem to an adult. There is more drama and physical contact between opponents at boxing and UFC weigh ins. Ronda Rousey and Meisha Tate legit almost came to blows one time at a weigh in for StrikeForce. But this is what WWE does. Vince McMahon HATES wrestling. If he could get rid of the ring and have them just do obstacle courses or reality show challenges he probably would. I'm sure Vince McMahon can't wait to get to Sunday so he can make Dolph Ziggler, one of the best WRESTLERS WWE has, kiss arse, lol. Instead of having Kane and Seth Rollins wrestle, maybe Kane can put something in Seth's food and make him have diarrhea and miss the show. We haven't done that prank in a while. Maybe we can have Seth Rollins go through Kane's suitcase and pull out a giant tub of ASS CREAM, it's been a long time since we've done that. Maybe Seth and Kane can have a big food fight and then Triple H can walk in and get hit with a pie in the face, oh boy, that sounds entertaining. They just need to find a way to involve Hornswoggle and El Torito and we'll be all set. That's because those ratings are for people that aren't wrestling fans tuning in just because they hear a big name they've liked in the past is showing up. I don't know what you're trying to argue. WWE hasn't invested enough into developing new stars but to say that the full-time star they have in John Cena doesn't bring in most of the audience would be ridiculous too. That was like 4 years ago...WWE has changed ever since that CM Punk pipebomb for the better as it is no longer so childish, but moreso adjusted to what the audience in todays time wants, not those living in the past, but their actual audience. Brock and Reigns doing the tug-o-war was foolish. That's not Nickelodeon like but just poor booking. Then go and watch boxing and UFC if you love them so much. How could you possibly tell that McMahon hates wrestling? Vince McMahon likes to stay hip and fresh and the modern day audience doesn't want plain wrestling, they want some flavour and some more substance through storylines, as opposed to technical wrestling and in-ring battles. Dolph Ziggler isn't very good. I don't know what else to say in response, just a weird as comment. Yeah...read the last line of my last comment. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 8:17:50 GMT -5
Well yeah, compared to the wrestling boom period in the 80s and 90s, the biz in general isn't doing great. Compared to where they were at his point a year ago, they're doing very well, and the recent records they've broken when it comes to profit show that they're doing perfectly fine. You may think that WWE is doing badly just because you don't enjoy it anymore, but at the same time as you and a few other fickle people on the internet not, there are millions of people that do. The wheel as CM Punk said will keep turning, WWE will continue to make money. First off, I'm not fickle. When the product is quality I am more invested and when it is low quality, I turn to better alternatives. And secondly I stated they are in a rather low valley. I never said they won't continue on or they will go out of business. I simply stated that compared to the peaks when they are producing great television , they are now in a low valley. This is a plain fact, to deny this is to be DELUSIONAL. There are millions who enjoy it.......but if they were creating great product and great television there would be many more millions watching. "Fickle. adj. Characterized by erratic changeableness or instability, especially with regard to affections or attachments;" They are in a low valley, all of wrestling is, the boom period of the 90s and such is over, wrestling is no longer cool, and no company can make it so to the general audience. WWE's audience will never return to the heights it reached in the late 90s in terms of TV audiences as people are far less inclined to watch the product, due to the fact that its no longer viewed as edgy or innovative. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Apr 23, 2015 8:29:27 GMT -5
The highest rated episodes of Monday Night RAW are ones that guys like Hogan, Rock, Sting, and Brock Lesnar have been announced to be on, or some other type of Legends or Old School RAW. The difference in ratings is due to people tuning in to those shows that do not normally watch on a regular basis because they are not interested in the regular WWE product. Not Nickelodeon like? Do you remember when Natalya's storyline was that she used to not be able to control her farts? This was not that long ago, either. Brock Lesnar and Roman Reigns played tug-o-war for the belt the ONE TIME they met face to face in the ring in their build up to Wrestlemania. I don't know how more boring they could make that seem to an adult. There is more drama and physical contact between opponents at boxing and UFC weigh ins. Ronda Rousey and Meisha Tate legit almost came to blows one time at a weigh in for StrikeForce. But this is what WWE does. Vince McMahon HATES wrestling. If he could get rid of the ring and have them just do obstacle courses or reality show challenges he probably would. I'm sure Vince McMahon can't wait to get to Sunday so he can make Dolph Ziggler, one of the best WRESTLERS WWE has, kiss arse, lol. Instead of having Kane and Seth Rollins wrestle, maybe Kane can put something in Seth's food and make him have diarrhea and miss the show. We haven't done that prank in a while. Maybe we can have Seth Rollins go through Kane's suitcase and pull out a giant tub of ASS CREAM, it's been a long time since we've done that. Maybe Seth and Kane can have a big food fight and then Triple H can walk in and get hit with a pie in the face, oh boy, that sounds entertaining. They just need to find a way to involve Hornswoggle and El Torito and we'll be all set. That's because those ratings are for people that aren't wrestling fans tuning in just because they hear a big name they've liked in the past is showing up. I don't know what you're trying to argue. WWE hasn't invested enough into developing new stars but to say that the full-time star they have in John Cena doesn't bring in most of the audience would be ridiculous too. That was like 4 years ago...WWE has changed ever since that CM Punk pipebomb for the better as it is no longer so childish, but moreso adjusted to what the audience in todays time wants, not those living in the past, but their actual audience. Brock and Reigns doing the tug-o-war was foolish. That's not Nickelodeon like but just poor booking. Then go and watch boxing and UFC if you love them so much. How could you possibly tell that McMahon hates wrestling? Vince McMahon likes to stay hip and fresh and the modern day audience doesn't want plain wrestling, they want some flavour and some more substance through storylines, as opposed to technical wrestling and in-ring battles. Dolph Ziggler isn't very good. I don't know what else to say in response, just a weird as comment. Yeah...read the last line of my last comment. Vince McMahon likes to stay hip and fresh and modern? Then why are Rusev and Lana straight out of the Cold War?!?! Why in 2006 were we still doing characters like Umaga? He's a wild uncontrollable island savage but somehow managed to land a job? Why did WWE have Triple H come out and talk about the Patriots deflating the footballs almost a MONTH after it happened? WWE is always a day late and dollar short when it comes to being on the cusp of what the fans really want. Vince McMahon is completely out of touch and even his own employees feel that way, oh wait, I mean his "independent contractor's" feel that way, because he wants to own every aspect of them and then prevent them from making money anywhere else but doesn't want to have to pay them health insurance. Vince McMahon wanted to make Bob Holly a Nazi character that had been criogenically frozen since World War II and thawed out in modern times and have him in skits where he doesn't understand why his behavior is not socially acceptable. He also wanted to book himself as the father of Stephanie's first child. There doesn't need to be a ridiculous storyline or some sort of convoluted explanation for every match. They act like it's legitimate sports competition, so sometimes matches should just be matches. It's like baseball. There doesn't have to be a reason why the Yankees and Tigers are playing each other today. They are baseball teams, it's their job to play baseball, and today the schedule says they are playing against each other to see who will win. Just like real sports, sometimes wrestlers should just be wrestlers who job is to wrestle another wrestler to see who's better. Sometimes simple is better. |
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Post by TurboEddie on Apr 23, 2015 16:07:27 GMT -5
I am really not looking forward to this match. I would have made it a Falls Count Anywhere match, not this silly crap.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Apr 23, 2015 18:27:14 GMT -5
Never mind how ridiculous the match stipulation is, what I want to know is, why is WWE (a PG product) openly and repeatedly saying the word "arse" on television?
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Post by Mr. McCluer on Apr 23, 2015 23:14:15 GMT -5
As an Irishman I really hate how over played Sheamus is. Love the lad, truly do, but I hate stereotypes. Perhaps it's because I have en English Mum that I identify more with British culture, but good grief I hate that a wrestler can't just be a wrestler or defined by their craft or their personalities. So this Irish based match or the Russian chain match, I just don't care for it. Any of it. I hate how overplayed Sheamus can be as too......I know tons of people from Cabra in Dublin and Vinnie is obviously telling Sheamus to really yak up his accent. Yeah mate, I'm from county Clontarf in east Dublin, and sure I have an English Mum, but I don't sound like a bloody leprechaun. Neither does me sister, me Dad and he's from Limerick. Yeah the over done and over the top of it is just all over the place. |
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Post by WalterF on Apr 23, 2015 23:53:07 GMT -5
First off, I'm not fickle. When the product is quality I am more invested and when it is low quality, I turn to better alternatives. And secondly I stated they are in a rather low valley. I never said they won't continue on or they will go out of business. I simply stated that compared to the peaks when they are producing great television , they are now in a low valley. This is a plain fact, to deny this is to be DELUSIONAL. There are millions who enjoy it.......but if they were creating great product and great television there would be many more millions watching. "Fickle. adj. Characterized by erratic changeableness or instability, especially with regard to affections or attachments;" They are in a low valley, all of wrestling is, the boom period of the 90s and such is over, wrestling is no longer cool, and no company can make it so to the general audience. WWE's audience will never return to the heights it reached in the late 90s in terms of TV audiences as people are far less inclined to watch the product, due to the fact that it is no longer viewed as edgy or innovative. You just proved that I'm not fickle. Fickle has to do with erratic or unstable changing behavior. I am a consistent wrestling fan for over twenty years ....I used to and still do watch wrestling consistently.....thus making me not fickle. Just because I choose to watch GOOD product and not make myself delusionally sit through awful product pretending I like it means I have QUALITY standards,....zero to do with being fickle. I am a Literature professor....trust me, I know what I am in a descriptive sense. Also you support my point by saying people don't watch WWE because it is not innovative or edgy. That is true....which is why eventually they will need to be innovative again if they ever plan on being a huge cultural icon again. They are complacent with the paychecks they make from investors now and have sacrificed the quality of the product for that support. Eventually it will collapse unless they return to an innovative nature. Otherwise, EVENTUALLY MMA will knock pro wrestling out of the national product spotlight completely. |
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Post by ¡Twist Of 45 and 47! on Apr 24, 2015 7:57:37 GMT -5
"Fickle. adj. Characterized by erratic changeableness or instability, especially with regard to affections or attachments;" They are in a low valley, all of wrestling is, the boom period of the 90s and such is over, wrestling is no longer cool, and no company can make it so to the general audience. WWE's audience will never return to the heights it reached in the late 90s in terms of TV audiences as people are far less inclined to watch the product, due to the fact that it is no longer viewed as edgy or innovative. Also you support my point by saying people don't watch WWE because it is not innovative or edgy. That is true....which is why eventually they will need to be innovative again if they ever plan on being a huge cultural icon again. They are complacent with the paychecks they make from investors now and have sacrificed the quality of the product for that support. Eventually it will collapse unless they return to an innovative nature. Their last PPV is the highest grossing live event WWE have ever done, at $12.6 million. Wrestlemania or not, they're still a huge cultural icon and reaching that number proves it. |
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Post by Midnight on Apr 24, 2015 7:58:53 GMT -5
Stupid idea. I would've had them have a ladder match with a #1 contenders contract to the IC title on the line.
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Post by WalterF on Apr 24, 2015 8:17:14 GMT -5
Also you support my point by saying people don't watch WWE because it is not innovative or edgy. That is true....which is why eventually they will need to be innovative again if they ever plan on being a huge cultural icon again. They are complacent with the paychecks they make from investors now and have sacrificed the quality of the product for that support. Eventually it will collapse unless they return to an innovative nature. Their last PPV is the highest grossing live event WWE have ever done, at $12.6 million. Wrestlemania or not, they're still a huge cultural icon and reaching that number proves it. I don't disagree with you. They are still a huge cultural icon and I'm sure they will continue to be for at least awhile. It still doesn't change the fact that they will never again reach the heights they have before and SHOULD be until the innovative nature returns. WM is the Super Bowl of wrestling. Fans that don't watch wrestling all year even watch Wrestlemania more often than not. The one biggest PPV of all time since it's inception in 85 hitting big numbers, however, does not tell the whole story. |
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Post by The Champ is Here! on Apr 24, 2015 10:05:42 GMT -5
Also you support my point by saying people don't watch WWE because it is not innovative or edgy. That is true....which is why eventually they will need to be innovative again if they ever plan on being a huge cultural icon again. They are complacent with the paychecks they make from investors now and have sacrificed the quality of the product for that support. Eventually it will collapse unless they return to an innovative nature. Their last PPV is the highest grossing live event WWE have ever done, at $12.6 million. Wrestlemania or not, they're still a huge cultural icon and reaching that number proves it. You also had sting wrestling for the first time in wwe, the return of taker after his first loss, and Brock was in espn the week before so there was a lot of buzz See how thier next couple ppvs do I know that i have quit watching, i watch nxt, and roh, and classic stuff. ..im debating dropping the network so i can become a member of roh The product wwe is putting out right now is pathetic. They dont know what they are doing abd it feels very late wcw to me |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 3:25:34 GMT -5
I hate how overplayed Sheamus can be as too......I know tons of people from Cabra in Dublin and Vinnie is obviously telling Sheamus to really yak up his accent. Yeah mate, I'm from county Clontarf in east Dublin, and sure I have an English Mum, but I don't sound like a bloody leprechaun. Neither does me sister, me Dad and he's from Limerick. Yeah the over done and over the top of it is just all over the place. Sheamus has the most forced faux-Irish accent ever. It's horrifically cringey. And he is actually Irish, work that one out init.. Meanwhile Becky Lynch and Finn Balor manage to be subtlety Irish, the 'Celtic Warrior' sounds as if he's putting it on. Weird I think. |
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Post by becks007 on Apr 25, 2015 6:13:09 GMT -5
Curious to see how this kiss my arse match will play out. It really sounds bad on paper though...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 7:22:53 GMT -5
Their last PPV is the highest grossing live event WWE have ever done, at $12.6 million. Wrestlemania or not, they're still a huge cultural icon and reaching that number proves it. You also had sting wrestling for the first time in wwe, the return of taker after his first loss, and Brock was in espn the week before so there was a lot of buzz See how thier next couple ppvs do I know that i have quit watching, i watch nxt, and roh, and classic stuff. ..im debating dropping the network so i can become a member of roh The product wwe is putting out right now is pathetic. They dont know what they are doing abd it feels very late wcw to me Until a Hollywood actor comes in and beats Seth Rollins for the belt, I wouldn't be too worried about that yet. Or somebody uses their creative control to refuse a job like Hogan/Jarrett at Bash at the Beach 2000. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 10:13:34 GMT -5
Yeah mate, I'm from county Clontarf in east Dublin, and sure I have an English Mum, but I don't sound like a bloody leprechaun. Neither does me sister, me Dad and he's from Limerick. Yeah the over done and over the top of it is just all over the place. Sheamus has the most forced faux-Irish accent ever. It's horrifically cringey. And he is actually Irish, work that one out init.. Meanwhile Becky Lynch and Finn Balor manage to be subtlety Irish, the 'Celtic Warrior' sounds as if he's putting it on. Weird I think. Yeah he is totally amping it up(probably at Vince's request) |
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Post by Himmy! on Apr 25, 2015 14:39:49 GMT -5
It's utterly crap isn't it?
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Apr 25, 2015 16:15:51 GMT -5
There doesn't need to be a ridiculous storyline or some sort of convoluted explanation for every match. They act like it's legitimate sports competition, so sometimes matches should just be matches. It's like baseball. There doesn't have to be a reason why the Yankees and Tigers are playing each other today. They are baseball teams, it's their job to play baseball, and today the schedule says they are playing against each other to see who will win. Just like real sports, sometimes wrestlers should just be wrestlers who job is to wrestle another wrestler to see who's better. Sometimes simple is better. That's the sort of thing people started saying during the attitude era, and it's nonsense. Because when the wish was granted -- and make no mistake, it has been granted -- it didn't stop the complaining at all. In this era, about 90% of the matches happen for no reason, nobody cares about those matches, and people complain more than ever. In 2015, complaining that WWE gives too many reasons for matches to happen is akin to coming into threads and saying "Stone Cold should drop the belt and show more weakness" or "I wonder who the Higher Power is?" |
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