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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 13:41:11 GMT -5
Aside from the horrible booking, 40% of the reason why the match sucked was because it had to follow Hogan/Rock. Nothing was going to top that. Honestly AF I wont ever be buying that one. Its THE go to excuse of the HHH guy,for 2 of HHHs victorious main events being flops. If the feud had been built properly? It could have maintained interest EASILY in the Skydome. But folks turned off because not ONCE was Jericho shown to be even a slight credible threat to HHH....that's why it played in front of silence. Oh absolutely, the booking was so bad and one sided that no one would have been interested anyway. But add to that, that it followed the biggest match of all time, like anyone was going to care about that farce! It's probably the most forgettable WM main event ever. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on May 11, 2015 13:49:10 GMT -5
Honestly AF I wont ever be buying that one. Its THE go to excuse of the HHH guy,for 2 of HHHs victorious main events being flops. If the feud had been built properly? It could have maintained interest EASILY in the Skydome. But folks turned off because not ONCE was Jericho shown to be even a slight credible threat to HHH....that's why it played in front of silence. Oh absolutely, the booking was so bad and one sided that no one would have been interested anyway. But add to that, that it followed the biggest match of all time, like anyone was going to care about that farce! It's probably the most forgettable WM main event ever. I tend to forget about Hogan/Sid more. Also, Wrestlemania 29. Putrid match, largely forgettable. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 14:08:55 GMT -5
Honestly AF I wont ever be buying that one. Its THE go to excuse of the HHH guy,for 2 of HHHs victorious main events being flops. If the feud had been built properly? It could have maintained interest EASILY in the Skydome. But folks turned off because not ONCE was Jericho shown to be even a slight credible threat to HHH....that's why it played in front of silence. Oh absolutely, the booking was so bad and one sided that no one would have been interested anyway. But add to that, that it followed the biggest match of all time, like anyone was going to care about that farce! It's probably the most forgettable WM main event ever. Apart from Austin being involved that Me was never gonna be on par with Rock vs Hogan but yes it wouldn't have played in front of effing silence had they not lost their minds and egos. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 14:18:19 GMT -5
I believe in the Miz. Worst WWE Champion? I'll go with Khali. You can't count him as WWE Champion. He was World Champion. |
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on May 11, 2015 14:48:25 GMT -5
Rey doesn't deserve to be #1 thats complete bullshit
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 14:58:46 GMT -5
Oh absolutely, the booking was so bad and one sided that no one would have been interested anyway. But add to that, that it followed the biggest match of all time, like anyone was going to care about that farce! It's probably the most forgettable WM main event ever. I tend to forget about Hogan/Sid more. Also, Wrestlemania 29. Putrid match, largely forgettable. I always remember Hogan/Sid if for nothing other than the botched ending, and Warrior returning, the match itself was weak sauce though. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on May 11, 2015 15:02:06 GMT -5
Rey doesn't deserve to be #1 thats complete bullcrap Well, he was only WWE champion for like 90 minutes. |
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Post by cordless2016 on May 11, 2015 17:59:56 GMT -5
Rey doesn't deserve to be #1 thats complete bullcrap Well, he was only WWE champion for like 90 minutes. But Rey had credibility as a guy who could pick up a big win out of nowhere. He was a former 2x world champ when he won the WWE title. And against Miz who had no credibility what so ever as a main eventer I'd say Rey winning was believable. Hell I think it was far more believable giving him a very short reign versus letting him run with the title for a few months. I think Rey winning the WWE Title and loosing it 90 minutes later was also more believable than Miz holding it for 5 months. |
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on May 11, 2015 18:04:12 GMT -5
Mysterio was more unfortunate to me. He deserved a reign with it since he was super over but it came across as more just a throwaway.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on May 11, 2015 18:06:05 GMT -5
Well, he was only WWE champion for like 90 minutes. But Rey had credibility as a guy who could pick up a big win out of nowhere. He was a former 2x world champ when he won the WWE title. And against Miz who had no credibility what so ever as a main eventer I'd say Rey winning was believable. Hell I think it was far more believable giving him a very short reign versus letting him run with the title for a few months. I think Rey winning the WWE Title and loosing it 90 minutes later was also more believable than Miz holding it for 5 months. I'm obviously not going to change your mind on this. You didn't Miz as a credible World Champion and I totally did. Agree to disagree. |
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Post by mikey1974 on May 11, 2015 18:08:08 GMT -5
Mysterio was more unfortunate to me. He deserved a reign with it since he was super over but it came across as more just a throwaway. I never understood the reasoning behind this - if you want Cena as "Champ" to go against Punk, then MAKE Cena the Champ! don't sacrifice someone else's momentum in the process. if Mysterio wasn't going to be Champ, then don't make him Champ, period. |
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Post by cordless2016 on May 11, 2015 18:12:29 GMT -5
I don't even count Rey's win in this conversation. He didn't get any kind of actual run with the title. If you don't leave the building with the title then you weren't really WWE Champion. The Kane deal with Austin and Bryan's original wins are the same kind of situation. Those are plot devices, not actual title transitions. Miz is by far the worst WWE Champion I've seen in my lifetime. He cut ONE good US Title promo and people did the internet thing where we like a guy for five minutes and immediately think he should be champion. We'll call this the Zack Ryder effect. And I'm a Ryder fan but that's how I will parallel the hysteria. Miz was, still is, absolutely garbage in the ring. Yes, I will totally agree he's punchable and capable of getting X-pac heat but he had absolutely no business above the midcard. His WWE Title match with Cena has to be one of the absolute worst main events of all time. It didn't work creatively, it didn't make sense based on his ability, and it's a reflection of how absolutely dreadful the main event scene was at that time. We were dying for young talent elevation at that time too. They could have built up JoMo, Carlito, MVP, put over CM Punk, any number of guys really, and they went with the  ing Miz. Just unbelievable. Couldn't have said it any better myself. He's simply dreadful. Hes been apart of the WWE since 2004 and is still the same bland in-ring performer he was when he moved on from tough enough. His promos and facial expressions are childish and the fact some fans bought him as on the same level as Cena and Rock shows how far expectations for top stars have fallen. The guy was a complete joke being in the ring with them. And him walking out as champ at WM27 meant nothing when its considered one of the worst endings to a WM ever. No redeeming qualities about his main event run what so ever. Hell Jerry Lawler was seen as a credible opponent against him. Miz is midcard at best. Not upper midcard. Not main event. Midcard. |
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Post by Roman Bellic on May 11, 2015 18:41:30 GMT -5
Mysterio was more unfortunate to me. He deserved a reign with it since he was super over but it came across as more just a throwaway. I never understood the reasoning behind this - if you want Cena as "Champ" to go against Punk, then MAKE Cena the Champ! don't sacrifice someone else's momentum in the process. if Mysterio wasn't going to be Champ, then don't make him Champ, period. and if someone was supposed be the throwaway, then make Miz the throwaway, have him win with some BS cheap win and get beat to Cena later everyone wins and Summer of Punk could still flowed |
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Post by WMDman on May 11, 2015 19:25:37 GMT -5
I'll say Miz
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Post by He Hate Me on May 11, 2015 19:31:55 GMT -5
Jericho, RVD, Jeff Hardy and Daniel Bryan (all 3) had great matches to win the belt but aside from those matches really had no substance to their reigns at all.
Miz was the worst champion for me though, I just wasn't buying him as champion at all. They should have left Big Show with him to be his body guard, that might have helped. 2011 was really like two completely different years, the last 6 months were drastically better than the first 6.
Big Show probably wins the award for most insignificant reign(s) though.
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Post by McBlake on May 14, 2015 5:19:01 GMT -5
He got massive amounts of heat. And the ratings never fell below a 3.0. Punk's title reigns had the ratings fall into the 2s. Punk had 4 straight months below a 3 rating in 2012 but I don't think anyone is going to call him a bad champion. They have only done 3.0 or above 11 times in the past year. So they would love to have the numbers they were doing during Miz's title reign. What have ratings got to do with good champions? There's more than one guy on the roster. |
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Post by cordless2016 on May 14, 2015 6:35:16 GMT -5
He got massive amounts of heat. And the ratings never fell below a 3.0. Punk's title reigns had the ratings fall into the 2s. Punk had 4 straight months below a 3 rating in 2012 but I don't think anyone is going to call him a bad champion. They have only done 3.0 or above 11 times in the past year. So they would love to have the numbers they were doing during Miz's title reign. Because I'm sure it Had nothing to do with rock returning after a decade... |
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Post by slappy on May 14, 2015 11:28:51 GMT -5
And the ratings never fell below a 3.0. Punk's title reigns had the ratings fall into the 2s. Punk had 4 straight months below a 3 rating in 2012 but I don't think anyone is going to call him a bad champion. They have only done 3.0 or above 11 times in the past year. So they would love to have the numbers they were doing during Miz's title reign. Because I'm sure it Had nothing to do with rock returning after a decade... That doesn't explain the ratings before he returned and after he went away. |
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Post by slappy on May 14, 2015 11:37:33 GMT -5
And the ratings never fell below a 3.0. Punk's title reigns had the ratings fall into the 2s. Punk had 4 straight months below a 3 rating in 2012 but I don't think anyone is going to call him a bad champion. They have only done 3.0 or above 11 times in the past year. So they would love to have the numbers they were doing during Miz's title reign. What have ratings got to do with good champions? There's more than one guy on the roster. There was talk about him not drawing. How do you measure that? One of the ways would be ratings. Maybe people are tuning in for other people. But then how do you measure drawing power? Ticket sales wouldn't work since they could be buying a ticket to see someone else and it's not like we can know that. So I guess merchandise would be the only conclusive way to determine it. Do we have merchandise figures for his title run? But if we are going with merchandise then John Cena should always be champion. So maybe that's not the best way either. |
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Post by McBlake on May 14, 2015 15:48:44 GMT -5
What have ratings got to do with good champions? There's more than one guy on the roster. There was talk about him not drawing. How do you measure that? One of the ways would be ratings. Maybe people are tuning in for other people. But then how do you measure drawing power? Ticket sales wouldn't work since they could be buying a ticket to see someone else and it's not like we can know that. So I guess merchandise would be the only conclusive way to determine it. Do we have merchandise figures for his title run? But if we are going with merchandise then John Cena should always be champion. So maybe that's not the best way either. What were the ratings like when Lesnar was champion? A good champion to me has a lot to with booking. Think it would be unfair calling someone a bad champion just because ratings are down if the other 80% of storylines and matches are crapwith general entertainment being low. |
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