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Post by SodaGuy on Jun 30, 2015 2:57:48 GMT -5
He's been putting on consistently excellent matches/MOTN for the last 5 years or so.
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Post by cmiller79 on Jun 30, 2015 3:25:42 GMT -5
He defiantly seems to be having better matches during this u.s title run
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Post by HTMN on Jun 30, 2015 7:05:36 GMT -5
John Cena has been one of the best workers in the WWE for years. People are just too stubborn to notice and give due. This. If Cena hadn't had such a successful career then people would be whinging to give him more. It's the fact he has been the company man for so long and has been shoved down our throats constantly. He deserves his due though. He's one of the best ever. You're blind if you can't see that, love or hate him.
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Post by sitruC on Jun 30, 2015 7:36:00 GMT -5
Jeez didn't realise that people still think Cena is the anti Christ and the cancer of WWE.
I don't get the hate, he's just a guy doing what he loves and his matches have been good for the past couple of years, anyone who disagrees is WRONG.
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Post by Brad on Jun 30, 2015 7:42:54 GMT -5
He's been killing it for awhile now IMO. Tonight was no different. Cena is underrated from an in-ring standpoint
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Post by MADNESS_NH_97 on Jun 30, 2015 7:43:23 GMT -5
One of the best wrestlers in the world, and has been for the past decade. One of the Best Wrestlers in the World? For the past 10 Years? So he is supposed to be as good as: Daniel Bryan/Bryan Danielson, CM Punk, Cesaro/Claudio Castagnoli, Sami Zayn/El Generico, Neville/PAC, Hideo Itami/KENTA, Finn Bálor/Prince Devitt, Seth Rollins/Tyler Black, Shinsuke Nakamura, Kazuchika Okada, Hiroshi Tanahashi, Kota Ibushi, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Austin Aries, Kevin Owens/Steen, Nigel McGuiness, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Jushin Thunder Liger, Ultimo Dragon, Great Muta, Shawn Michaels Kenta Kobashi, Mitsuharu Misawa, Chris Benoit etc etc? For the last 10 Years he is supposed to be as good as these guys? And i am sure there are more Wrestlers that could get added to that list so... If anyone wants to feel free to add them. Sure he can be good with the right opponent that carries him trough the Matches but a guy that calls the spots so loud, botches many of the new Moves he tries to do and has a few horrible versions of these Moves(for example his Parody of the STF) are some reasons for him NOT beeing one of the Best Wrestlers in the World!
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Post by marino13 on Jun 30, 2015 8:23:04 GMT -5
The worse case of refusing to give Cena any credit I've seen was here on Wfigs. (I don't remember who said it, and if you know who you are, I mean no offense) But after the fantastic triple threat at the RR this year they said something along the lines of... "Wow Brock & Seth had an excellent match!".
After reading that I realized that man could damn near kill himself to put of the greatest performance of his career, and half the crowd would still refuse to acknowledge it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 8:25:02 GMT -5
To say that Cena's opponents carry him through every match isn't just ridiculous, it's flat out moronic.
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Jun 30, 2015 10:28:19 GMT -5
One of the best wrestlers in the world, and has been for the past decade. One of the Best Wrestlers in the World? For the past 10 Years? So he is supposed to be as good as: Daniel Bryan/Bryan Danielson, CM Punk, Cesaro/Claudio Castagnoli, Sami Zayn/El Generico, Neville/PAC, Hideo Itami/KENTA, Finn Bálor/Prince Devitt, Seth Rollins/Tyler Black, Shinsuke Nakamura, Kazuchika Okada, Hiroshi Tanahashi, Kota Ibushi, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Austin Aries, Kevin Owens/Steen, Nigel McGuiness, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Jushin Thunder Liger, Ultimo Dragon, Great Muta, Shawn Michaels Kenta Kobashi, Mitsuharu Misawa, Chris Benoit etc etc? For the last 10 Years he is supposed to be as good as these guys? And i am sure there are more Wrestlers that could get added to that list so... If anyone wants to feel free to add them. Sure he can be good with the right opponent that carries him trough the Matches but a guy that calls the spots so loud, botches many of the new Moves he tries to do and has a few horrible versions of these Moves(for example his Parody of the STF) are some reasons for him NOT beeing one of the Best Wrestlers in the World! It takes 2 to tango homie. And Cena does it with the best of them. Lol at the fact you listed Ultimo Dragon as one of the best wrestlers of the past 10 years. Half those guys you listed, Cena has torn it up with. And you know what the common theme among them is? They all admit Cena is the man and criminally underrated in the ring. Get off your IWC/Strong Style high horse and stop hating on a guy who kills it every week.
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Post by The Yes Man on Jun 30, 2015 10:40:55 GMT -5
I understand why people don't like his character, but trying to deny his talent as a wrestler at this point is laughable. For instance, if we made a list of the best (WWE) matches of the last few years, on that list would probably be: Cena vs. Punk (MITB) Cena vs. Punk (RAW) Cena vs. Rock (pick one) Cena vs. Bryan Cena vs. Cesaro on RAW (twice) Cena vs. Brock vs. Rollins Cena vs. Owens I Cena vs. Owens II and a whole bunch of other matches, like everything from his US title run, in the honorable mention column. And on top of that he cuts consistently good promos and gets a huge reaction from crowds that are dead silent the rest of the night. Cena is an awesome wrestler, but both of those matches with The Rock were ass.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 10:41:22 GMT -5
Let me tell you a story. I was at a house show a few years ago, and I could've bought a John Cena or CM Punk shirt.
... I bought the Cena shirt because I like the guy. He's a guaranteed Hall of Famer, a workhorse, and he consistently puts on great matches. One of the best that has ever stepped foot in the ring.
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Post by Rontaro13 on Jun 30, 2015 10:43:38 GMT -5
Anyone who says Cena can't wrestle or put on a good match doesn't know what either of those things are if it were to appear right before them. Cena has been putting on great matches for a long time now, and I'm glad that people are starting to appreciate his skills, but the fact that it's taken this long is ridiculous.
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 10:58:16 GMT -5
One of the Best Wrestlers in the World? For the past 10 Years? So he is supposed to be as good as: Daniel Bryan/Bryan Danielson, CM Punk, Cesaro/Claudio Castagnoli, Sami Zayn/El Generico, Neville/PAC, Hideo Itami/KENTA, Finn Bálor/Prince Devitt, Seth Rollins/Tyler Black, Shinsuke Nakamura, Kazuchika Okada, Hiroshi Tanahashi, Kota Ibushi, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Austin Aries, Kevin Owens/Steen, Nigel McGuiness, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Jushin Thunder Liger, Ultimo Dragon, Great Muta, Shawn Michaels Kenta Kobashi, Mitsuharu Misawa, Chris Benoit etc etc? For the last 10 Years he is supposed to be as good as these guys? And i am sure there are more Wrestlers that could get added to that list so... If anyone wants to feel free to add them. Sure he can be good with the right opponent that carries him trough the Matches but a guy that calls the spots so loud, botches many of the new Moves he tries to do and has a few horrible versions of these Moves(for example his Parody of the STF) are some reasons for him NOT beeing one of the Best Wrestlers in the World! It takes 2 to tango homie. And Cena does it with the best of them. Lol at the fact you listed Ultimo Dragon as one of the best wrestlers of the past 10 years. Half those guys you listed, Cena has torn it up with. And you know what the common theme among them is? They all admit Cena is the man and criminally underrated in the ring. Get off your IWC/Strong Style high horse and stop hating on a guy who kills it every week. It actually doesn't take 2 to tango: All of these people calling people who think his matches are overrated blind, moronic, stupid or (the worst one) wrong need to chill out. His match is literally just a spot fest/ kick out fest. He is the only one afforded those matches on the main roster because it hides all of his weaknesses as a wrestler. CENA IS NOT A GOOD WRESTLER. Name me his 5 best moves from any of his "classic matches" I can tell you what I didn't like from those matches, his loud spot calling, constant botches, horrible punches, horrible selling, no selling his opponents moves, majority of his moves look like crap, and getting more credit than he deserves. My eyes work just fine, on Cena's end the match isn't good. I see through all of the kick outs and the spots, a lot of people don't. I was being nice and just arguing over differences of opinion but when you call people stupid, moronic or blind for having an opinion that's where it crosses the line.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 11:16:18 GMT -5
His matches with Owens were excellent. I'm hoping they don't ruin it at Battleground.
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Post by J12 on Jun 30, 2015 11:16:11 GMT -5
Cena has been having fantastic matches with the right opponents for years, but he's really turned it up over the last few. Right now, he's matches are usually the ones I look forward to most on any given show. I could've never said that years ago.
The character is stale, undoubtedly, but what he does in the ring has been fantastic.
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Post by k5 on Jun 30, 2015 11:25:22 GMT -5
i've never found him to be a quality wrestler and the only matches of his i've felt that have delivered were against opponents who could carry him through. does he have talent? absolutely. is he a great wrestler? nadda. is he good? sure.
i think there's a lot of credibility to suggesting that his matches are formulated to come across as 'good matches'. constant kick outs, back and forths, a couple big spots.
to say he is terrible would be wrong, but to put him anywhere near the ranks of a cm punk, daniel bryan, etc...is just plain goofy.
if he was some mid range wrestler like jack swagger, people wouldn't care and would even say he's got a decent style. but as the head wrestler for the last near 15 years - the one who the example is set from - i really wish it'd ended up being someone who is an a+ wrestler instead of a b+ one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 11:25:53 GMT -5
Cena is the best thing to happen to wrestling since The Rock.
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Jun 30, 2015 11:26:24 GMT -5
It takes 2 to tango homie. And Cena does it with the best of them. Lol at the fact you listed Ultimo Dragon as one of the best wrestlers of the past 10 years. Half those guys you listed, Cena has torn it up with. And you know what the common theme among them is? They all admit Cena is the man and criminally underrated in the ring. Get off your IWC/Strong Style high horse and stop hating on a guy who kills it every week. It actually doesn't take 2 to tango: All of these people calling people who think his matches are overrated blind, moronic, stupid or (the worst one) wrong need to chill out. His match is literally just a spot fest/ kick out fest. He is the only one afforded those matches on the main roster because it hides all of his weaknesses as a wrestler. CENA IS NOT A GOOD WRESTLER. Name me his 5 best moves from any of his "classic matches" I can tell you what I didn't like from those matches, his loud spot calling, constant botches, horrible punches, horrible selling, no selling his opponents moves, majority of his moves look like crap, and getting more credit than he deserves. My eyes work just fine, on Cena's end the match isn't good. I see through all of the kick outs and the spots, a lot of people don't. I was being nice and just arguing over differences of opinion but when you call people stupid, moronic or blind for having an opinion that's where it crosses the line. It's okay to be wrong pal, and that's what you are right now.
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Post by k5 on Jun 30, 2015 11:28:44 GMT -5
It actually doesn't take 2 to tango: All of these people calling people who think his matches are overrated blind, moronic, stupid or (the worst one) wrong need to chill out. His match is literally just a spot fest/ kick out fest. He is the only one afforded those matches on the main roster because it hides all of his weaknesses as a wrestler. CENA IS NOT A GOOD WRESTLER. Name me his 5 best moves from any of his "classic matches" I can tell you what I didn't like from those matches, his loud spot calling, constant botches, horrible punches, horrible selling, no selling his opponents moves, majority of his moves look like crap, and getting more credit than he deserves. My eyes work just fine, on Cena's end the match isn't good. I see through all of the kick outs and the spots, a lot of people don't. I was being nice and just arguing over differences of opinion but when you call people stupid, moronic or blind for having an opinion that's where it crosses the line. It's okay to be wrong pal, and that's what you are right now. i don't think he is whatsoever, and either way it doesn't justify him being insulted.
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 11:32:38 GMT -5
It actually doesn't take 2 to tango: All of these people calling people who think his matches are overrated blind, moronic, stupid or (the worst one) wrong need to chill out. His match is literally just a spot fest/ kick out fest. He is the only one afforded those matches on the main roster because it hides all of his weaknesses as a wrestler. CENA IS NOT A GOOD WRESTLER. Name me his 5 best moves from any of his "classic matches" I can tell you what I didn't like from those matches, his loud spot calling, constant botches, horrible punches, horrible selling, no selling his opponents moves, majority of his moves look like crap, and getting more credit than he deserves. My eyes work just fine, on Cena's end the match isn't good. I see through all of the kick outs and the spots, a lot of people don't. I was being nice and just arguing over differences of opinion but when you call people stupid, moronic or blind for having an opinion that's where it crosses the line. It's okay to be wrong pal, and that's what you are right now. Thanks for completely ignoring all of my points and just calling my opinion "wrong," appreciate it.
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