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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jul 7, 2015 19:21:09 GMT -5
So for the past 3 years ive worked Christmas day, we get the choice to work either Christmas or new years over the festive season as its only fair that you work one or the other.
Unless you have childeren then youre exempt from that rule.. This bugs the hell out of me, i dont want kids, i have no plans to have kids, that doesn't make me any less of a person but i get really pissed off that people can use the "i have kids" card to get out of certain duties, were all have work contracts, and 0 tolerance to calling in "sick" but seems that the office is a lot more leniant to those with kids. Whys thay fair? I detest kids and feel like im the one being punished for someone elses bad decision.
Also people work "set days" on a flexible contract?! Because they can't get baby sitters, I dont kick up a fuss if I'm working on Mondays and miss Monday night raw, I dont kick up a fuss if I work weekends and Wednesdays the old days i can see my girlfriend.
Anyone else feel that parents get different treatment to those whithout kids?
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jul 7, 2015 20:20:48 GMT -5
It may not be fair but people with kids have different needs than people who don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 22:03:49 GMT -5
No, it's not fair.
But it won't change, sadly.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Jul 7, 2015 22:30:54 GMT -5
Nope. It's not. Fair, just, and right are all different things though. I'd be mad if I was in your situation.
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Post by vampiroporvida on Jul 8, 2015 0:38:12 GMT -5
Definitely not cool. But, this may be a good starting point to change corporate culture and overall attitudes on life outside of work, for all. Maybe talk to your local us congress reps about changing equality definitions in the workplace?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 0:49:02 GMT -5
Have you ever worked with smokers?
I swear they take breaks every 15 minutes. They get more breaks than anybody.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jul 8, 2015 3:06:54 GMT -5
Have you ever worked with smokers? I swear they take breaks every 15 minutes. They get more breaks than anybody. These are the worst. The get paid to get lung cancer? F that. At my job, they let smokers have a 15 minute break every 2 hours. It's annoying. Hell, even one of the managers does it. It got so bad, that people that don't smoke told the higher ups they do, just so they could get more breaks.
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Post by Mr Angry Cena on Jul 8, 2015 3:16:22 GMT -5
Have you ever worked with smokers? I swear they take breaks every 15 minutes. They get more breaks than anybody. I'm a longshoreman, pretty much every guy I work with smokes. They're lighting a butt every 10 lifts, they still work while smoking though.
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Post by Halloween King on Jul 8, 2015 10:26:04 GMT -5
So for the past 3 years ive worked Christmas day, we get the choice to work either Christmas or new years over the festive season as its only fair that you work one or the other. Unless you have childeren then youre exempt from that rule.. This bugs the hell out of me, i dont want kids, i have no plans to have kids, that doesn't make me any less of a person but i get really pissed off that people can use the "i have kids" card to get out of certain duties, were all have work contracts, and 0 tolerance to calling in "sick" but seems that the office is a lot more leniant to those with kids. Whys thay fair? I detest kids and feel like im the one being punished for someone elses bad decision. Also people work "set days" on a flexible contract?! Because they can't get baby sitters, I dont kick up a fuss if I'm working on Mondays and miss Monday night raw, I dont kick up a fuss if I work weekends and Wednesdays the old days i can see my girlfriend. Anyone else feel that parents get different treatment to those whithout kids? Parents need special treatment. If you dont want kids that's your choice. If you get sick, and are a single guy with no kids, then you only need a certain amount of sick days. Now if you, as a single non parent, took 2 days off for being sick your coworker, who is a parent, will prob also take 2 days off for being sick. BUT add to that the days your coworker will need to care for small children. It isnt hard to wrap your mind around. Just think back to your childhood. You had a mother and father. If you were sick as a child you had an adult look after you. I think it is laughable that you would compare a person missing a Monday so that they may care for a baby, to your wanting to miss monday so that you can sit at home and watch television. I mean really? You cant be serious. How can you compare the well being of another human being, a child, to your wanting to sit on tush and watch wrestling. When I was single and had no kids, I would go to work. If I called off I was either very sick or I had something I needed to do, or somewhere I wanted to go. I would never think of missing work, and a paycheck, just to sit at home and do nothing. I went to work with a broken finger, which I never had looked at. I went to work with a sprained knee and ankle. I've been to work with colds. I've been to work with vertigo. It would need to be something where I cant get out of bed to keep me from going to work. It's called Maning up. I've worked plenty of Holidays. Now that im a parent though if my baby needs me then he comes first above all else. I'll call off if needed, I'll leave work early if needed. I would hate to think something happened to my son because I wasnt there when he needed me.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 8, 2015 11:10:05 GMT -5
New Years has nothing to do with kids. So the people who have kids should still be forced to pick one or the other. Christmas is about giving kids presents for people who are not really religious, so the people with kids should just pick that one.
There is no reason to have to be home with your kids on New Years. It is the symbolic turning of the calendar year, and has nothing to do with children.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 8, 2015 11:22:23 GMT -5
Never affected me. The old store I worked at my boss had two little kids and always scheduled herself to work all holidays and I always told her to change the schedule, that I would work so she could be at home.
Grated I'm 22, have no family to speak of nor want one, but still. I see the importance of spending holidays with their kids, even in today's corporate dominated world. What good are holidays to the kids and what will the holidays mean to them if there are no good memories of them to speak of?
Also for the other discussion regarding smoke breaks, yeah that's annoying. I don't deal with it so much first shift, but if I work second shift smoking is rampant. Mind you I smoke too, but I only smoke when I'm actually on my scheduled break, or if I've been asked to go sweep the lot/outside chore that's not associated with the gas station part of my work.
Graveyard shift, after midnight till five, everyone lives on the outside, smoker or not. All the cashiers sit out front, the manager and the kitchen crew sit out back and we just come in if/when someone comes in. Meh.
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Post by Valbroski on Jul 8, 2015 18:54:46 GMT -5
So for the past 3 years ive worked Christmas day, we get the choice to work either Christmas or new years over the festive season as its only fair that you work one or the other. Unless you have childeren then youre exempt from that rule.. This bugs the hell out of me, i dont want kids, i have no plans to have kids, that doesn't make me any less of a person but i get really pissed off that people can use the "i have kids" card to get out of certain duties, were all have work contracts, and 0 tolerance to calling in "sick" but seems that the office is a lot more leniant to those with kids. Whys thay fair? I detest kids and feel like im the one being punished for someone elses bad decision. Also people work "set days" on a flexible contract?! Because they can't get baby sitters, I dont kick up a fuss if I'm working on Mondays and miss Monday night raw, I dont kick up a fuss if I work weekends and Wednesdays the old days i can see my girlfriend. Anyone else feel that parents get different treatment to those whithout kids? Parents need special treatment. If you dont want kids that's your choice. If you get sick, and are a single guy with no kids, then you only need a certain amount of sick days. Now if you, as a single non parent, took 2 days off for being sick your coworker, who is a parent, will prob also take 2 days off for being sick. BUT add to that the days your coworker will need to care for small children. It isnt hard to wrap your mind around. Just think back to your childhood. You had a mother and father. If you were sick as a child you had an adult look after you. I think it is laughable that you would compare a person missing a Monday so that they may care for a baby, to your wanting to miss monday so that you can sit at home and watch television. I mean really? You cant be serious. How can you compare the well being of another human being, a child, to your wanting to sit on tush and watch wrestling. When I was single and had no kids, I would go to work. If I called off I was either very sick or I had something I needed to do, or somewhere I wanted to go. I would never think of missing work, and a paycheck, just to sit at home and do nothing. I went to work with a broken finger, which I never had looked at. I went to work with a sprained knee and ankle. I've been to work with colds. I've been to work with vertigo. It would need to be something where I cant get out of bed to keep me from going to work. It's called Maning up. I've worked plenty of Holidays. Now that im a parent though if my baby needs me then he comes first above all else. I'll call off if needed, I'll leave work early if needed. I would hate to think something happened to my son because I wasnt there when he needed me. Agreed on all points about needing to be there for your child but you lost me at the manning up part. Going to work with a broken finger or vertigo doesn't make you a man, it makes you foolish.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 19:03:05 GMT -5
It is fair.
What wouldn't be fair is if one person without kids had a different set of rules than another person without kids.
If it bothers you that much then you should find another job.
That said, as an employer I tend to value people with more flexibility. You may be more valued then those with kids. But maybe not if you complain too much.
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Post by Halloween King on Jul 8, 2015 22:36:54 GMT -5
Parents need special treatment. If you dont want kids that's your choice. If you get sick, and are a single guy with no kids, then you only need a certain amount of sick days. Now if you, as a single non parent, took 2 days off for being sick your coworker, who is a parent, will prob also take 2 days off for being sick. BUT add to that the days your coworker will need to care for small children. It isnt hard to wrap your mind around. Just think back to your childhood. You had a mother and father. If you were sick as a child you had an adult look after you. I think it is laughable that you would compare a person missing a Monday so that they may care for a baby, to your wanting to miss monday so that you can sit at home and watch television. I mean really? You cant be serious. How can you compare the well being of another human being, a child, to your wanting to sit on tush and watch wrestling. When I was single and had no kids, I would go to work. If I called off I was either very sick or I had something I needed to do, or somewhere I wanted to go. I would never think of missing work, and a paycheck, just to sit at home and do nothing. I went to work with a broken finger, which I never had looked at. I went to work with a sprained knee and ankle. I've been to work with colds. I've been to work with vertigo. It would need to be something where I cant get out of bed to keep me from going to work. It's called Maning up. I've worked plenty of Holidays. Now that im a parent though if my baby needs me then he comes first above all else. I'll call off if needed, I'll leave work early if needed. I would hate to think something happened to my son because I wasnt there when he needed me. Agreed on all points about needing to be there for your child but you lost me at the manning up part. Going to work with a broken finger or vertigo doesn't make you a man, it makes you foolish. At the time I didnt know I had Vertigo, or that I had a broken finger. I just felt sick or felt pain. I just went to work because I could still get up and walk. I say Man up because I worried about what was wrong with me, but only until after I did my job. I say Man up because as a man you will work many Holidays/Birthdays/Anniversaries and so on.
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Post by Valbroski on Jul 8, 2015 23:09:07 GMT -5
Agreed on all points about needing to be there for your child but you lost me at the manning up part. Going to work with a broken finger or vertigo doesn't make you a man, it makes you foolish. At the time I didnt know I had Vertigo, or that I had a broken finger. I just felt sick or felt pain. I just went to work because I could still get up and walk. I say Man up because I worried about what was wrong with me, but only until after I did my job. I say Man up because as a man you will work many Holidays/Birthdays/Anniversaries and so on. Ah, with context that makes more sense. From your last post I read it as you just knowlingly having legitimate health issues but still saying it I'll work today out of pride. That's what I thought was foolish. And I agree, we don't always get the days we'd like off of work. I hate working on thanksgiving and Black Friday but it is what it is.
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Post by Halloween King on Jul 8, 2015 23:24:09 GMT -5
At the time I didnt know I had Vertigo, or that I had a broken finger. I just felt sick or felt pain. I just went to work because I could still get up and walk. I say Man up because I worried about what was wrong with me, but only until after I did my job. I say Man up because as a man you will work many Holidays/Birthdays/Anniversaries and so on. Ah, with context that makes more sense. From your last post I read it as you just knowlingly having legitimate health issues but still saying it I'll work today out of pride. That's what I thought was foolish. And I agree, we don't always get the days we'd like off of work. I hate working on thanksgiving and Black Friday but it is what it is. I'll never forget my first Official job. It was at a grocery store that was open 24 hours a day. I was scheduled to work on Thanksgiving. I remember thinking, everyone will be at home eating so I'll prob just do nothing all day. I was very wrong. The store was full of customers. Worst of all some customers were doing their grocery shopping that day. I'll never forget some lady took 3 carts full of groceries. I remember thinking to myself, what is wrong with her? I expected people running in to get last min things, maybe beer, soda pop, milk, little things you may have forgotten or need more of, but there was that lady. Doing what seemed like a month's worth of grocery shopping on one day. It was a day full of long lines and lots of customers, there was no break, there was no free time.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 9, 2015 0:51:25 GMT -5
Ah, with context that makes more sense. From your last post I read it as you just knowlingly having legitimate health issues but still saying it I'll work today out of pride. That's what I thought was foolish. And I agree, we don't always get the days we'd like off of work. I hate working on thanksgiving and Black Friday but it is what it is. I'll never forget my first Official job. It was at a grocery store that was open 24 hours a day. I was scheduled to work on Thanksgiving. I remember thinking, everyone will be at home eating so I'll prob just do nothing all day. I was very wrong. The store was full of customers. Worst of all some customers were doing their grocery shopping that day. I'll never forget some lady took 3 carts full of groceries. I remember thinking to myself, what is wrong with her? I expected people running in to get last min things, maybe beer, soda pop, milk, little things you may have forgotten or need more of, but there was that lady. Doing what seemed like a month's worth of grocery shopping on one day. It was a day full of long lines and lots of customers, there was no break, there was no free time. As stated above, worked in a deli of a supermarket for a few years. It's amazing that people seem to forget it's the holidays and they're having 10 people over until that day. What's worse is when they get pissy because they waited till the last minute but it's our fault we don't have quality **insert holiday meal dish ingredient here** anymore because everyone else did their shopping. Apparently it's my fault we ran out of Pepsi two liters on Independence Day and American cheese for Thanksgiving sandwiches. People, brah.
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Post by SE4NY on Jul 9, 2015 3:52:32 GMT -5
That's pretty ed, they probably see being a parent as a duty you just can't leave second place though, and those who don't have kids don't need the treatment those without kids get which is kind of shitty.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 7:45:09 GMT -5
No it's not fair, people use kids as an excuse every day
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 8:14:14 GMT -5
Whoever said life was fair?
What is fair for that matter?
I say you have just as much opportunity to go out there and have kids as the next guy. That's fair. And if you can't have kids then maybe you should adopt. That way you can have Christmas and New Years off.
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