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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 21, 2015 8:52:33 GMT -5
I don't think Kevin Owens is buried. The WWE has proven with Cesaro and Ryback that they can job you out for months but can push you out of nowhere and most fans will eat it up.
I do however agree that Owens tapping out was awful. I don't care that he kicked out 1,765 AAs. Everyone kicks out of that move now. Bad News Barrett even did. Owens' one clean victory honestly looks like a fluke because he couldn't replicate and just lost clean twice back to Cena. As @bashcrashwiley pointed out though, it's all about what they have planned next. CM Punk said on that podcast that creative tends to only have concrete plans for the Cenas of the world. Will Owens go the way of Wyatt and Rusev or do they actually have any idea for him?
Owens was the hottest thing in wrestling in May but now, by July, he's honestly kind of an afterthought and doesn't come across as "must see" anymore.
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Post by PJ on Jul 21, 2015 9:05:23 GMT -5
Owens shouldn't have won the US title last night because he is still in a program for the NXT title next month. It's one thing to have the NXT title on RAW as that brings more credibility/prestige to it. But they are trying to bring prestige back to the US title so to have an active NXT star win the US title hurts that title, because no matter what anyone one here thinks NXT is still considered their "minor leagues" . If it wasn't then there would only be World Heavywight Championship and World Tag Team title matches on there and not NXT Championship matches. And we wouldn't hear announcers/etc saying how a NXT talent was "called up" to the "Main" roster. So in the WWE's mind NXT is still their minor leagues. And you don't put a main roster belt on a guy still active on the NXT roster.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 9:17:22 GMT -5
Owens is not buried.
He will be fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 9:19:06 GMT -5
List the guys that have pinned Cena clean....
Yup, Owens will be fine.
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Post by WMDman on Jul 21, 2015 9:27:31 GMT -5
I do think Owens should've walked out us champ, I do think he'll be fine
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Jul 21, 2015 9:31:36 GMT -5
Whilst he wasn't buried, it still massively hurts Owens. This ridiculous win-lose-lose formula has to go. Cena has torn through too many people over the years. They've turned Owens into a chicken which is hurting his credibility. He went from being the one to stand there, say he'd do something and get it done. To quitting every time. He should have won it last night, and there should be a triple threat or fatal 4 way at Summerslam.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 9:54:48 GMT -5
Uh yeah, Batman is the number one selling comic book in the world, not Superman. Our society stopped eating our vitamins in the 90s. The only person who seemingly doesn't understand that is Vince McMahon. Last I checked, Batman was a good guy.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Jul 21, 2015 9:59:15 GMT -5
Owens came in with credibility beforehand and quickly became the hottest thing going. He then beat Cena clean and was an instant Star for it. Now, he's lost twice to Cena, lost to Balor twice, consistently bitched out of challenges and walked out of matches. It's no surprise his reaction was mild at best last night, he's already damaged goods. Do I think he'll be alright? I hope so, but history tells me he's gonna have to bust his ass double time to regain that momentum he had a month ago...
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Post by J12 on Jul 21, 2015 10:00:53 GMT -5
I don't think Kevin Owens is buried. The WWE has proven with Cesaro and Ryback that they can job you out for months but can push you out of nowhere and most fans will eat it up. I do however agree that Owens tapping out was awful. I don't care that he kicked out 1,765 AAs. Everyone kicks out of that move now. Bad News Barrett even did. Owens' one clean victory honestly looks like a fluke because he couldn't replicate and just lost clean twice back to Cena. As @bashcrashwiley pointed out though, it's all about what they have planned next. CM Punk said on that podcast that creative tends to only have concrete plans for the Cenas of the world. Will Owens go the way of Wyatt and Rusev or do they actually have any idea for him? Owens was the hottest thing in wrestling in May but now, by July, he's honestly kind of an afterthought and doesn't come across as "must see" anymore. I think that's my biggest issue. WWE has this terrible tendency of creating hype trains and then derailing them very, very quickly. Kevin Owens is just the most recent example. There's no reason that a guy that was literally the most interesting thing in pro wrestling two months ago should be "just another guy" in July, but that's exactly what Owens is. It's a little thing, but being involved in the Taker/Lesnar brawl was very telling. You didn't see John Cena out there, or Randy Orton, or Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, Roman Reigns. They always "empty the locker room" but leave behind the guys that actually matter to them. I also see everyone saying that Owens will be "fine." That's probably true. Bray Wyatt is "fine." Rusev is "fine." But "fine" doesn't create superstars.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 10:03:10 GMT -5
Owens is like a chubby cm punk. He's fine.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Jul 21, 2015 10:05:04 GMT -5
I don't think Kevin Owens is buried. The WWE has proven with Cesaro and Ryback that they can job you out for months but can push you out of nowhere and most fans will eat it up. I do however agree that Owens tapping out was awful. I don't care that he kicked out 1,765 AAs. Everyone kicks out of that move Bad News Barrett even did. Owens' one clean victory honestly looks like a fluke because he couldn't replicate and just lost clean twice back to Cena. As @bashcrashwiley pointed out though, it's all about what they have planned next. CM Punk said on that podcast that creative tends to only have concrete plans for the Cenas of the world. Will Owens go the way of Wyatt and Rusev or do they actually have any idea for him? Owens was the hottest thing in wrestling in May but now, by July, he's honestly kind of an afterthought and doesn't come across as "must see" anymore. I think that's my biggest issue. WWE has this terrible tendency of creating hype trains and then derailing them very, very quickly. Kevin Owens is just the most recent example. There's no reason that a guy that was literally the most interesting thing in pro wrestling two months ago should be "just another guy" in July, but that's exactly what Owens is. It's a little thing, but being involved in the Taker/Lesnar brawl was very telling. You didn't see John Cena out there, or Randy Orton, or Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, Roman Reigns. They always "empty the locker room" but leave behind the guys that actually matter to them. I also see everyone saying that Owens will be "fine." That's probably true. Bray Wyatt is "fine." Rusev is "fine." But "fine" doesn't create superstars. Excellent point, and something I picked up on also. I understand he's still extremely new on the main roster, but him being lumped in with that really stood out to me...
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 21, 2015 10:08:20 GMT -5
Uh yeah, Batman is the number one selling comic book in the world, not Superman. Our society stopped eating our vitamins in the 90s. The only person who seemingly doesn't understand that is Vince McMahon. Last I checked, Batman was a good guy. Batman's a vigilante, not a hero. There is a huge difference. Which is to say that is also the massive difference between John Cena, and someone like Stone Cold Steve Austin.
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Post by k5 on Jul 21, 2015 10:12:44 GMT -5
Uh yeah, Batman is the number one selling comic book in the world, not Superman. Our society stopped eating our vitamins in the 90s. The only person who seemingly doesn't understand that is Vince McMahon. Last I checked, Batman was a good guy. he's talking about how batman's character has 'edge' and isn't this squeaky clean wholesome (lame as ) character john cena... john cena is the major reason i stopped watching wwe programming on a consistent basis. if it wasn't him, it would probably be just someone else in his role as it has more to do with creative and the higher ups in wwe absolutely sucking at what they do. when i heard owens overcame cena, i tuned in to check it out. when i heard he lost the second bout i lost some interest in the program...and now this third battle finally seals it. why should i care what owens does now? they killed his momentum.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 10:18:44 GMT -5
My question is the same as it was with Wyatt and Rusev when Cena was done with them... What now? We've seen Owens kick out of multiple AAs from Cena in their trilogy of matches so where does he go from here? Does he just start losing Big Show on Raw after 5 knockout punches? Does he go on to defeat guys on Raw weekly which leads to nothing because he couldn't get it done with Cena? WWE has this problem and it's almost...almost as stale as Cena himself. You build someone up and then tear them down knowing that there are no immediate plans for the future of their character. What have Wyatt and Rusev done since losing their feuds to Cena? I assume Owens will be in the same boat. The character development on the main roster is a total mess. This is the biggest problem by far. Wyatt took a full year to regain any kind of momentum after the Cena fued....Rusev may not be as bad but he is still kind of aimless.
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Post by jacktunney on Jul 21, 2015 10:22:56 GMT -5
Another thread, another misuse of the word "buried"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 10:33:37 GMT -5
Last I checked, Batman was a good guy. Batman's a vigilante, not a hero. There is a huge difference. Which is to say that is also the massive difference between John Cena, and someone like Stone Cold Steve Austin. But people would complain if they pushed Sting too!!!
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 21, 2015 10:37:39 GMT -5
Batman's a vigilante, not a hero. There is a huge difference. Which is to say that is also the massive difference between John Cena, and someone like Stone Cold Steve Austin. But people would complain if they pushed Sting too!!! Haha touche.
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Jul 21, 2015 10:43:58 GMT -5
It all does seem all rather so sloppy. The current booking of especially Cena, Owens, Taker and Lesnar does have me scratching my head.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 21, 2015 10:55:48 GMT -5
Im in the mindset of a few others. While I dont think he was buried, I am definitely afraid of the direction he goes next or rather, the directionless he goes next. We have seen it with a few guys who were built up to be Cena's "Biggest challenge" only for Cena to come out with the overall victory. Nobody remembers second place. Cena always wins in the end.
I think they could have went a much better direction with Cena/Owens. Just like at my Live Show on Friday, Owens could have just given Cena a low-blow and continued this feud into Summer Slam. Both guys are 1-1 on each other and squared off in a gimmick match to blow the feud off, maybe a Steel Cage where Cena pins Owens.
If I were booking Summer Slam, it'd look like this:
Undertaker Vs Lesnar Street fight Cena Vs Owens Steel Cage Rollins Vs Cesaro WWE Championship match. Reigns/Ambrose Vs Wyatt/Harper
Triple H says Rollins needs a fresh opponent and hand picks Cesaro. That would sell me in.
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Post by YES! YES! YES! on Jul 21, 2015 11:07:33 GMT -5
Owens looked like a million bucks in the matches. And looks like a punk after. All bark no bite. The guy went through HELL in the match. He just took an AA off the second rope (which always takes people dowm) and he kicked out. Owens tapping out makes complete sense, I'm not getting why everyone is saying he was "ruined" or "buried." EDIT: He's also Triple H's guy. Is everyone forgetting that? Triple H LOVES him, Owens will be good.
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