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Post by Revy on Aug 7, 2015 18:52:50 GMT -5
So what you guys are saying is, that when Bret was allowed to be more of himself he got better on the mic? Never would have guessed. Well the more "hardcore" wrestling fans see through that scripted BS. I think fans appreciate it more if guys come off "real" or not like they are remembering lines. |
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Post by Tom Baker's Scarf on Aug 9, 2015 4:44:39 GMT -5
I liked his promos but his in ring work really speaks for itself. He wasn't a big promo guy and didn't have to be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 10:54:19 GMT -5
"Well...um...ya know...it's...it's a number of...um...a number of things. First off...um...back at the Royal Rumble...um..."
He did do some good promos, but he, by his own admission, was very nervous on the mic. That, and his bland, expressionless voice didn't help things.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 13:18:17 GMT -5
Coming out of left field with this one but Owen was superior to Bret in every aspect of pro wrestling. More charismatic, better talker, and better worker. Vince got behind the wrong one IMO
Owen is probably the most deserving guy to never be champion IMO
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Post by AmericanMadeLesGold on Aug 9, 2015 13:21:31 GMT -5
I feel like his in-ring talent made up for his sometimes stale mic-work. He made me believe him.
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Post by AmericanMadeLesGold on Aug 9, 2015 13:23:46 GMT -5
No complaints.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 13:24:33 GMT -5
Coming out of left field with this one but Owen was superior to Bret in every aspect of pro wrestling. More charismatic, better talker, and better worker. Vince got behind the wrong one IMO Owen is probably the most deserving guy to never be champion IMO  I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Owen > Bret. |
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Post by robbutler01 on Aug 9, 2015 13:26:26 GMT -5
I remember this promo, cant believe how long ago it was!
He definitely got better but like we said it did what it needed to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 13:27:55 GMT -5
Coming out of left field with this one but Owen was superior to Bret in every aspect of pro wrestling. More charismatic, better talker, and better worker. Vince got behind the wrong one IMO Owen is probably the most deserving guy to never be champion IMO I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Owen > Bret. Honest truth man. I watched their match from WM 10 for the first time in 1997, I think, and I was like, wth man Owen is way better. He was technical, had physicality, had intensity, had highflying, he had it all. Owen > Bret |
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Post by jeffro2000 on Aug 9, 2015 14:19:05 GMT -5
As others have stated, he was nervous and would repeat stuff and say um a lot.
He got a lot better in 96 and 97 though. His heel turn was great and he was great on the mic. He played it quite well considering he has been a face for so long, when he was a heel he had Jimmy Hart and Anvil for the most part.
Re-watching some of his 97 stuff, it is baffling to me that Vince would want him to leave. I guess economics was that bad for Vince, but did Bret's deal make that big of a difference? I know it was for a lot and for a long time, but he was a great talent. After Bret left, he brought in Tyson, rumors of him talking to Warrior around this time I believe maybe Hogan too. Both of them may have been deep into 98, not sure.
I know his departure led to Mr. McMahon by accident which was great, and maybe Bret didn't fit into the attitude era, but the way his career ended stunk. Bret was also fitting in fine during this time his promos were as edgy as anyone's and his tantrums were worst. Vince got lucky, in a span of 5 months you lose both Bret and Shawn plus some other guys and your company takes off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 14:25:38 GMT -5
Owen was incredible all around but was a born heel. He didn't play the face role nearly as well as Bret, and I don't think Vince could have pushed him as the #1 face of the company. Bret clicked with everyone. Men, women and children, which is a rarity.
As for Bret's mic work, it was always fine. But he became one of the greatest mic workers after his 96 return.
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Aug 9, 2015 15:46:35 GMT -5
I never thought he was bad per-say, I think its just who he was around were always just better and he seemed to pale in comparison.
93-95 he had Owen, Diesel and Razor to contend with
95-96 he had Michaels added on top of that
Then come 96-97 he had Michaels/DX and Austin, hell even the Hart Foundation and guys like Pillman who was stupid good!
But as Im watching 97 for the first time, I can say that he's not bad at all, I like his work, apart from that Raw where he stretched what had to be a 5 minute segment into 15 and Raw ended on him stumbling across his own wording, but apart from that he's always been good in my mind and now that Im getting to see it I can guarantee it.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Aug 9, 2015 16:00:57 GMT -5
^^^^That's a good point. Bret was often surrounded and overshadowed by more confident, charismatic speakers and he looked bad by comparison. So what you guys are saying is, that when Bret was allowed to be more of himself he got better on the mic? The opposite. Bret considered himself to be a genuine hero who everyone could believe in and root for, but his interviews were much better when he was a villain telling fans to stick it. They were still pretty bad, though. His voice combined with his wooden awkwardness did not make for a great speech. He never had the skill for crafting a promo the way he did for a match. Coming out of left field with this one but Owen was superior to Bret in every aspect of pro wrestling. More charismatic, better talker, and better worker. Vince got behind the wrong one IMO Owen was way more fun and I liked him more, but he didn't carry himself like a major player the way Bret did. Owen was best as a midcard comedy guy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 18:27:36 GMT -5
^^^^That's a good point. Bret was often surrounded and overshadowed by more confident, charismatic speakers and he looked bad by comparison. So what you guys are saying is, that when Bret was allowed to be more of himself he got better on the mic? The opposite. Bret considered himself to be a genuine hero who everyone could believe in and root for, but his interviews were much better when he was a villain telling fans to stick it. They were still pretty bad, though. His voice combined with his wooden awkwardness did not make for a great speech. He never had the skill for crafting a promo the way he did for a match. Coming out of left field with this one but Owen was superior to Bret in every aspect of pro wrestling. More charismatic, better talker, and better worker. Vince got behind the wrong one IMO Owen was way more fun and I liked him more, but he didn't carry himself like a major player the way Bret did. Owen was best as a midcard comedy guy. Hard to argue with you there. I just think Owen had so much talent that was untapped. I think if Vince had put a mega push on Owen, he could've become the company's number one or two heel |
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Post by savage on Aug 9, 2015 18:41:36 GMT -5
I thought he was great. He might not have been the most charismatic but he was straight to the point and most importantly, believable. His character was a very serious one so his promo style fit him well IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 20:29:35 GMT -5
I thought he was great. He might not have been the most charismatic but he was straight to the point and most importantly, believable. His character was a very serious one so his promo style fit him well IMO. Posted this in the last match thread but I'm watching the raw after mania 13 and he was so much more comfortable on the mic when playing a heel/shooting |
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Post by savage on Aug 9, 2015 20:34:49 GMT -5
I thought he was great. He might not have been the most charismatic but he was straight to the point and most importantly, believable. His character was a very serious one so his promo style fit him well IMO. Posted this in the last match thread but I'm watching the raw after mania 13 and he was so much more comfortable on the mic when playing a heel/shooting Exactly. It came so much more natural to him for obvious reasons. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 20:37:39 GMT -5
Posted this in the last match thread but I'm watching the raw after mania 13 and he was so much more comfortable on the mic when playing a heel/shooting Exactly. It came so much more natural to him for obvious reasons. Agreed. He cut a 15 minute promo so far and they've shot Vince a few times and his expression is priceless. Shawn is out now and this tension is great tv. But Bret in the heel role is gold and if he hadn't left for WCW he and Vince and Shawn Wouldve had a forest full of money trees |
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Post by savage on Aug 9, 2015 20:41:50 GMT -5
Exactly. It came so much more natural to him for obvious reasons. Agreed. He cut a 15 minute promo so far and they've shot Vince a few times and his expression is priceless. Shawn is out now and this tension is great tv. But Bret in the heel role is gold and if he hadn't left for WCW he and Vince and Shawn Wouldve had a forest full of money trees I've thought about that a lot. Bret should've never left. 97 was his best year IMO as far as him really finding himself in his character. I'm about halfway through the year now on the network. Brings back some great memories. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 20:43:48 GMT -5
Agreed. He cut a 15 minute promo so far and they've shot Vince a few times and his expression is priceless. Shawn is out now and this tension is great tv. But Bret in the heel role is gold and if he hadn't left for WCW he and Vince and Shawn Wouldve had a forest full of money trees I've thought about that a lot. Bret should've never left. 97 was his best year IMO as far as him really finding himself in his character. I'm about halfway through the year now on the network. Brings back some great memories. Yes it does. They've could have played the screwed angle and Bret come back. But hindsight is 20/10 lol |
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