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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 0:15:00 GMT -5
Not my words, but point stands
Look at the Miz TV segment. The Miz tries to sucker them into admitting that their goal is to be women's champion. The three of them brush it off and give an incredibly vague explanation of why they work together. Right there is a huge mistake. Your purpose is to find out which trio is the bestest of the best? Who f***ing cares? There's no titles for that. No crowns. No title shots. It's 33.3/33.3/33.3 booking right now. Trading wins without any purpose. It's the figurative definition of wheels spinning, but stuck in neutral.
And if it's because the WWE wants AJ Lee's name off the record, they can go f*** off. I'll never understand how a publicly traded company can be so petty and vindictive. Hey what happens if Cena and the lioness break up and she leaves? Does Paige get the title to break Nikki's record?
I saw Nikki and Paige crapon the people for chanting other things and being generally disrespectful. But the truth is it isn't just the fans that are being disrespectful. It's your own boss (not you Sasha) that's putting you in this BAD (not you again, Sasha) predicament.
And for the love of Ric Flair, STOP calling it a revolution. It's nothing close to it. Revolutions are organic. They can't be co-opted by a corporation that spent 15 plus years having most women's matches in pools filled with liquid or gelatinous substances. The ladies at NXT succeed because they're doing something the WWE hasn't been able to do....tell a f***ing story.
Bayley and Sasha had a great match. Maybe the greatest women's match in WWE history. You know why it's a great match? Because they told a story. Months of back and forth banter. And they can certainly go in the ring which put it over the top. You know what happens to Bayley if she's in the WWE? Backstage segments with celebrity guest GMs and five minute matches that serve little to no purpose.
All the women who legit care about wrestling probably wish NXT was a financially viable option in terms of keeping their main roster salary and the upside bonuses and all that. Because they could go there and have a chance at main eventing and putting on clinics and cultivating personalities people actually care about. Vince and Co. take what they bubble at NXT and turn it into flat soda, which Kevin Dunn suggests they wrestle in inside a pool that uses Bayley's inflatable tubes as the pool's walls.
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Post by A-Rob on Aug 25, 2015 0:21:40 GMT -5
The lack of Sasha Banks was jaw dropping.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 0:44:21 GMT -5
[/quote]Wait a minute, you thought wrestling peaked in '05?[/quote]
I kinda do...If not in 2005 then most definitely it peeked in 2007. I'm not a big fan of TNA and i dont watch the indies at all so after all the talent in the wwe left or got fired and the storylines became stupid again then yes i felt like wrestling lost it's glory...the Ruthless Aggression era could have been the best period in wrestling history but only if it was done properly.
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Post by 0,Y on Aug 25, 2015 1:00:44 GMT -5
Was that a great episode of Raw or what? Great job WWE, 3 days in a row.
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Post by Ember's Flame on Aug 25, 2015 1:56:31 GMT -5
Great show. If Sasha was on it would be RAW of the year so I'm marking this #2 on "Best RAW of 2015"
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Post by romanthenewyorker on Aug 25, 2015 2:21:38 GMT -5
BEST RAW IVE SEEN IN A WHILE!!! marked hard for sting! but I Marked out harder for the dudleyzzzzzzz!!!
so bummed I slept on the tickets for RAW, i should've went. All I'll say is....Lead this into a Sting title run, run-in with taker somewhere before april, THEN.....
WRESTLEMANIA! Merchandise sales will be bonkers for WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 3:38:18 GMT -5
Here's how I see the Sting-Seth Rollins thing going.... Sting and Seth fight for the World Title at NOC. Sting wins, gets his WWE Championship reign, then Sheamus cashes in, and wins. Next night on RAW, Triple H says that he once saw Seth Rollins as the man, that he was the best in the WWE. But he couldnt beat Sting, after he beat him at WrestleMania. Sheamus becomes the new poster boy for the Authority. Sheamus and Rollins fight at Hell in a Cell. Sheamus wins after interference from the Authority. The next night on Raw, Rollins demands a match with Triple H. So we get HHH vs. Rollins at Survivor Series. Rollins go over with the pedigree. That's how I see this going. I'd be happy with this, but then again this makes sense so probably won't happen The problem I have is I am the biggest Sting fan in the world and would probably have a heart attack if he won the title BUT I don't want to see a nearly 60 year old man beating WWEs young top prospect, I'm so torn I guess if he wins and Sheamus cashes in and that leads to the Rollins/HHH fued then that's cool. Wasn't there rumours online the plan was to have Sheamus cash in at NOC ?
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Post by Dan on Aug 25, 2015 4:31:15 GMT -5
Raw ended up being so much more valuable than Summerslam. It gave us a lot of questions and answers, but a lot of it has left me wondering why half of it couldn't have taken place at Summerslam to start with? For example there is no reason whatsoever that the Wyatt situation couldn't have gone down on PPV, the Rematch and it happening on Raw was pointless. They could have also pushed Lesnar vs Rollins back a month and had Rollins vs Cena at Battleground, resulting in Seth Rollins vs Sting at Summerslam. Pretty sure they are going to use Sting as a way to get the Title on Sheamus which will give him a big rub.
No real progression between Brock Lesnar and the Undertaker either, so I'm pretty sure they are going to go with that at Wrestlemania.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 5:14:33 GMT -5
Well, I'm happy!
-Lesnar killed Dallas. -My favourite tag team are back in WWE (Sorry PTP, that means you're No. 2 now) -Sting's getting a WWE title match.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Aug 25, 2015 7:42:03 GMT -5
Raw ended up being so much more valuable than Summerslam. It gave us a lot of questions and answers, but a lot of it has left me wondering why half of it couldn't have taken place at Summerslam to start with? For example there is no reason whatsoever that the Wyatt situation couldn't have gone down on PPV, the Rematch and it happening on Raw was pointless. They could have also pushed Lesnar vs Rollins back a month and had Rollins vs Cena at Battleground, resulting in Seth Rollins vs Sting at Summerslam. Pretty sure they are going to use Sting as a way to get the Title on Sheamus which will give him a big rub. No real progression between Brock Lesnar and the Undertaker either, so I'm pretty sure they are going to go with that at Wrestlemania. SummerSlam is a huge show. It's on par with WrestleMania. WWE knows that people are going to subscribe to PPV's like Wrestlemania, Survivor Series, Royal Rumble and SummerSlam pretty much no matter what the card or who's on it, because those PPV's are seen as "big" and "important". But what's been happening, is people are UNSUBSCRIBING to the WWE Network for months where the PPV isn't important. So people are probably thinking, I'll subscribe for SummerSlam, and then I'll cancel for September and October, because Night of Champions and Hell in a Cell are throw aways until we get to Survivor Series. It's pretty much jus a strategic business decision. Sort of ride the historical reputation of the "Big 4", but still save enough to make the card look important on PPV's that people would usually not care about. That's why they saved Sting for Night of Champions, because now there are people who will subscribe/buy the PPV JUST because of him. If he was on SummerSlam, he gets lost in the shuffle of a card that was overly stacked and you negate his specific individual ability to draw.
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Post by alexgg on Aug 25, 2015 9:42:28 GMT -5
The lack of Sasha Banks was jaw dropping. It was criminal, and I'm calling the cops.
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Post by J12 on Aug 25, 2015 9:53:51 GMT -5
Just wanted to share some general thoughts on the way this diva's thing is progressing (or not progressing)...
I'm seeing a lot of discourse among members regarding the audience's reaction to the tag match last night, and I get that. Look, I dislike any crowd that chants "We Are Awesome" at themselves. It's stupid and it's selfish. Still, I think there's a bigger picture here, and that's how utterly terrible this "revolution" has been. It starts at the top, but the girls aren't entirely without blame, either.
You know what's worse than a crowd that thinks it's awesome and tells you about it? A company that thinks it's awesome and tells you about it. In both scenarios, there's a pretty good chance that if you have to sell me on how great you are, in reality, you're probably not that great. WWE has been telling me, and everyone else, how great they are for respecting women's wrestling. Not only are they completely missing the mark on what a "revolution" is, they're doing their hard working talent a huge disservice.
A revolution occurs organically. You can't just come out to the ring and say "we're starting a revolution!" and have it become gospel. It doesn't work that way. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true. WWE's idea of "revolution" is incredibly simple - two eight minute matches on a three hour show instead of one three minute match. That's the revolution. It's an excuse for WWE to say "look what we're doing!" instead of actually doing it and reaping the benefits from the hard work.
To make matters worse, they've gone down a path of some of the most illogical booking the division has ever seen (and that's saying something, considering we're less than a year removed from the Bella Twins reunion.) These teams are united not on their own volition, but rather, by the all powerful Stephanie McMahon, who, for some reason, has the ability to decide which divas are friends and enemies? Then you have Nikki Bella, Diva's Champion, touting about how great she is and how she's about to break the all-time record. She's forced to go out there and sell the title's (and her reign's) importance, all while engaging in a program with eight other women who seemingly have no interest whatsoever in taking it from her, or, at the very least, a means by which to do so. How are we, the audience, supposed to respect her accomplishment when a) she's doing nothing to earn it, and b) there's no reason to feel that the title itself has any value.
And that's just the start of it. Nikki's promo last night summed up how half-baked this whole thing truly is. After saying that Team PCB's tag team victory at Summerslam didn't matter, and that only her title reign is of importance, we're treated to ANOTHER TAG TEAM MATCH. Nikki Bella just finished saying that the even BIGGER tag team match the night before meant NOTHING, so now, we're going to do it again! This is booking 101. It's absolutely insane to imagine that creative can't grasp even the simplest of concepts with this angle.
But let's look past all that for a second. Forgive the horrendous three-way, even-steven booking and look at the wrestling itself, and you have yet another problem. It's not very good. Look, the Bella Twins have improved leaps and bounds and I applaud them for that, but they're still part of the "old generation" - the models turned wrestlers. They're at the forefront of this conflict and yet, they can't really match up with this new generation of diva. We've seen what the likes of Sasha, Charlotte, and Becky can accomplish. Evidently, they can't work enough magic to bring the Bellas and company to their level. That's understandable. WWE put their chips in the hardcore fan base's basket, hoping that they'd lead the charge getting behind these girls and, in turn, get them over with the mainstream audience. The problem is that the hardcore fan base is the one watching the little developmental show on Wednesday nights, who see what women's wrestling can be. These matches aren't living up to that standard, and so, they're met with indifference.
With regards to the Bellas and Paige's response, I don't like it, and I think it's going to backfire on them. They demand (and rightfully so) to be treated with respect, as equals to the men. That's what they got. They put on a clunker of a match (that being more the booking's fault than theirs notwithstanding), and they got harped on for it. It's no different than the crowd turning on Orton/Cena 5010 or Orton/Sheamus 1266. I understand how passionate they are about this, but they're barking up the wrong tree. This is about the fans calling out the powers that be for a marketing sham.
It's not going to be perfect, but we're getting dangerously close to this whole thing blowing up in their face past the point of return. It's frustrating to watch, particularly after seeing two women have the best match of the entire weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 10:05:15 GMT -5
The thing about this "Divas Revolution" is that we're seeing the EXACT SAME THING every week! We've had the team concept, but that should be done with now. I want to see Paige vs Becky, Paige vs Charlotte, Sasha vs Naomi and so on. Not this constant PCB vs Bella, or Bella vs BAD, or BAD vs PCB. It's getting boring.
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Post by Ember's Flame on Aug 25, 2015 10:22:21 GMT -5
I think we see Taker vs. Lesnar at Hell in a Cell. A match with a stipulation like that keeps the momentum going for the Network.
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Post by Rule 30 on Aug 25, 2015 10:31:30 GMT -5
Just wanted to share some general thoughts on the way this diva's thing is progressing (or not progressing)... I'm seeing a lot of discourse among members regarding the audience's reaction to the tag match last night, and I get that. Look, I dislike any crowd that chants "We Are Awesome" at themselves. It's stupid and it's selfish. Still, I think there's a bigger picture here, and that's how utterly terrible this "revolution" has been. It starts at the top, but the girls aren't entirely without blame, either. You know what's worse than a crowd that thinks it's awesome and tells you about it? A company that thinks it's awesome and tells you about it. In both scenarios, there's a pretty good chance that if you have to sell me on how great you are, in reality, you're probably not that great. WWE has been telling me, and everyone else, how great they are for respecting women's wrestling. Not only are they completely missing the mark on what a "revolution" is, they're doing their hard working talent a huge disservice. A revolution occurs organically. You can't just come out to the ring and say "we're starting a revolution!" and have it become gospel. It doesn't work that way. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true. WWE's idea of "revolution" is incredibly simple - two eight minute matches on a three hour show instead of one three minute match. That's the revolution. It's an excuse for WWE to say "look what we're doing!" instead of actually doing it and reaping the benefits from the hard work. To make matters worse, they've gone down a path of some of the most illogical booking the division has ever seen (and that's saying something, considering we're less than a year removed from the Bella Twins reunion.) These teams are united not on their own volition, but rather, by the all powerful Stephanie McMahon, who, for some reason, has the ability to decide which divas are friends and enemies? Then you have Nikki Bella, Diva's Champion, touting about how great she is and how she's about to break the all-time record. She's forced to go out there and sell the title's (and her reign's) importance, all while engaging in a program with eight other women who seemingly have no interest whatsoever in taking it from her, or, at the very least, a means by which to do so. How are we, the audience, supposed to respect her accomplishment when a) she's doing nothing to earn it, and b) there's no reason to feel that the title itself has any value. And that's just the start of it. Nikki's promo last night summed up how half-baked this whole thing truly is. After saying that Team PCB's tag team victory at Summerslam didn't matter, and that only her title reign is of importance, we're treated to ANOTHER TAG TEAM MATCH. Nikki Bella just finished saying that the even BIGGER tag team match the night before meant NOTHING, so now, we're going to do it again! This is booking 101. It's absolutely insane to imagine that creative can't grasp even the simplest of concepts with this angle. But let's look past all that for a second. Forgive the horrendous three-way, even-steven booking and look at the wrestling itself, and you have yet another problem. It's not very good. Look, the Bella Twins have improved leaps and bounds and I applaud them for that, but they're still part of the "old generation" - the models turned wrestlers. They're at the forefront of this conflict and yet, they can't really match up with this new generation of diva. We've seen what the likes of Sasha, Charlotte, and Becky can accomplish. Evidently, they can't work enough magic to bring the Bellas and company to their level. That's understandable. WWE put their chips in the hardcore fan base's basket, hoping that they'd lead the charge getting behind these girls and, in turn, get them over with the mainstream audience. The problem is that the hardcore fan base is the one watching the little developmental show on Wednesday nights, who see what women's wrestling can be. These matches aren't living up to that standard, and so, they're met with indifference. With regards to the Bellas and Paige's response, I don't like it, and I think it's going to backfire on them. They demand (and rightfully so) to be treated with respect, as equals to the men. That's what they got. They put on a clunker of a match (that being more the booking's fault than theirs notwithstanding), and they got harped on for it. It's no different than the crowd turning on Orton/Cena 5010 or Orton/Sheamus 1266. I understand how passionate they are about this, but they're barking up the wrong tree. This is about the fans calling out the powers that be for a marketing sham. It's not going to be perfect, but we're getting dangerously close to this whole thing blowing up in their face past the point of return. It's frustrating to watch, particularly after seeing two women have the best match of the entire weekend. I agree with pretty much everything you said. It's that things like the wave and "We are awesome" chants... I just don't see how they help. It doesn't say anything about the fact that the division is being booked terribly or that the revolution is just a marketing sham, it's basically just the crowd saying who's ever in the ring isn't worth their time. And I'm not saying it just because it's the Divas, I specifically remember a Del Rio vs. Sheamus (two guys I really don't care about) match last year that had the same nonsense, and I was just as annoyed. Basically I'm just saying something like "We are awesome" isn't going to help at all. Remember all the Daniel Bryan chants before WrestleMania XXX? The "We Want Ryder" chants in 2011? Those actually worked because it showed what the fans wanted, but what does doing the wave show? It shows they simply don't care, not that they want things to get better.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 25, 2015 10:31:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 10:35:31 GMT -5
HA HA HA! Priceless!
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Post by J12 on Aug 25, 2015 10:51:43 GMT -5
Just wanted to share some general thoughts on the way this diva's thing is progressing (or not progressing)... I'm seeing a lot of discourse among members regarding the audience's reaction to the tag match last night, and I get that. Look, I dislike any crowd that chants "We Are Awesome" at themselves. It's stupid and it's selfish. Still, I think there's a bigger picture here, and that's how utterly terrible this "revolution" has been. It starts at the top, but the girls aren't entirely without blame, either. You know what's worse than a crowd that thinks it's awesome and tells you about it? A company that thinks it's awesome and tells you about it. In both scenarios, there's a pretty good chance that if you have to sell me on how great you are, in reality, you're probably not that great. WWE has been telling me, and everyone else, how great they are for respecting women's wrestling. Not only are they completely missing the mark on what a "revolution" is, they're doing their hard working talent a huge disservice. A revolution occurs organically. You can't just come out to the ring and say "we're starting a revolution!" and have it become gospel. It doesn't work that way. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true. WWE's idea of "revolution" is incredibly simple - two eight minute matches on a three hour show instead of one three minute match. That's the revolution. It's an excuse for WWE to say "look what we're doing!" instead of actually doing it and reaping the benefits from the hard work. To make matters worse, they've gone down a path of some of the most illogical booking the division has ever seen (and that's saying something, considering we're less than a year removed from the Bella Twins reunion.) These teams are united not on their own volition, but rather, by the all powerful Stephanie McMahon, who, for some reason, has the ability to decide which divas are friends and enemies? Then you have Nikki Bella, Diva's Champion, touting about how great she is and how she's about to break the all-time record. She's forced to go out there and sell the title's (and her reign's) importance, all while engaging in a program with eight other women who seemingly have no interest whatsoever in taking it from her, or, at the very least, a means by which to do so. How are we, the audience, supposed to respect her accomplishment when a) she's doing nothing to earn it, and b) there's no reason to feel that the title itself has any value. And that's just the start of it. Nikki's promo last night summed up how half-baked this whole thing truly is. After saying that Team PCB's tag team victory at Summerslam didn't matter, and that only her title reign is of importance, we're treated to ANOTHER TAG TEAM MATCH. Nikki Bella just finished saying that the even BIGGER tag team match the night before meant NOTHING, so now, we're going to do it again! This is booking 101. It's absolutely insane to imagine that creative can't grasp even the simplest of concepts with this angle. But let's look past all that for a second. Forgive the horrendous three-way, even-steven booking and look at the wrestling itself, and you have yet another problem. It's not very good. Look, the Bella Twins have improved leaps and bounds and I applaud them for that, but they're still part of the "old generation" - the models turned wrestlers. They're at the forefront of this conflict and yet, they can't really match up with this new generation of diva. We've seen what the likes of Sasha, Charlotte, and Becky can accomplish. Evidently, they can't work enough magic to bring the Bellas and company to their level. That's understandable. WWE put their chips in the hardcore fan base's basket, hoping that they'd lead the charge getting behind these girls and, in turn, get them over with the mainstream audience. The problem is that the hardcore fan base is the one watching the little developmental show on Wednesday nights, who see what women's wrestling can be. These matches aren't living up to that standard, and so, they're met with indifference. With regards to the Bellas and Paige's response, I don't like it, and I think it's going to backfire on them. They demand (and rightfully so) to be treated with respect, as equals to the men. That's what they got. They put on a clunker of a match (that being more the booking's fault than theirs notwithstanding), and they got harped on for it. It's no different than the crowd turning on Orton/Cena 5010 or Orton/Sheamus 1266. I understand how passionate they are about this, but they're barking up the wrong tree. This is about the fans calling out the powers that be for a marketing sham. It's not going to be perfect, but we're getting dangerously close to this whole thing blowing up in their face past the point of return. It's frustrating to watch, particularly after seeing two women have the best match of the entire weekend. I agree with pretty much everything you said. It's that things like the wave and "We are awesome" chants... I just don't see how they help. It doesn't say anything about the fact that the division is being booked terribly or that the revolution is just a marketing sham, it's basically just the crowd saying who's ever in the ring isn't worth their time. And I'm not saying it just because it's the Divas, I specifically remember a Del Rio vs. Sheamus (two guys I really don't care about) match last year that had the same nonsense, and I was just as annoyed. Basically I'm just saying something like "We are awesome" isn't going to help at all. Remember all the Daniel Bryan chants before WrestleMania XXX? The "We Want Ryder" chants in 2011? Those actually worked because it showed what the fans wanted, but what does doing the wave show? It shows they simply don't care, not that they want things to get better. Oh, I agree. I don't like the way they went about it. They went into business for themselves, and I don't think that ever really works unless the solution is cut and dry. If you don't want to see Cena face Orton again and you go into the business of entertaining yourself, that sends a pretty clear message to WWE. You don't care about the match. In this instance, it's convoluted. They don't care about the match, but I don't necessarily think that's the same as not caring about the girls involved. Unfortunately, that's pretty hard to convey via chants or general reactions, so instead, we get this. I wish there was a way to convey "hey we like these girls and the general concept you stand for, but you guys suck for booking this match and not giving a crap about their characters."
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Post by Chip on Aug 25, 2015 10:57:29 GMT -5
not sure if i missed it but is there a gif of the New Day celebration? slappy The KevstaaaThe fact that Xavier Woods had a ing trombone.....i cant even.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 25, 2015 11:00:21 GMT -5
not sure if i missed it but is there a gif of the New Day celebration? slappy The KevstaaaThe fact that Xavier Woods had a ing trombone.....i cant even. All I got for yesterday.
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