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Post by theMOESIAH on Aug 26, 2015 18:14:12 GMT -5
My niece is convinced this is fake. If anyone has been paying attention to my posts, that side of the family is a big part of my psychotic hatred for conspiracy theorists.
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Post by Adam on Aug 26, 2015 18:54:05 GMT -5
My niece is convinced this is fake. If anyone has been paying attention to my posts, that side of the family is a big part of my psychotic hatred for conspiracy theorists. Don't worry, Alex Jones will have something for us by tomorrow. Just so tragic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 19:01:18 GMT -5
Jesus.....that is absolutely mental.
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Post by Joel on Aug 26, 2015 19:29:53 GMT -5
That's crazy, just goes to show your really not safe anywhere. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims loved ones. What a shame and such horrible news.
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Post by RybackV1 on Aug 26, 2015 19:48:32 GMT -5
Yeah I just saw it. Yeah it's eerie watching someone's final moments. And from several points of views. Very scary
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 3:36:18 GMT -5
That's crazy, just goes to show your really not safe anywhere. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims loved ones. What a shame and such horrible news. Guns being readily available is the elephant in the room when it comes to safety.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 4:24:00 GMT -5
First off, rip to the two victims and thoughts are with their families but if sandy hook didn't wake up the pro gun morons then this isnt gonna change anything.
The gun nuts of the US really need to change their views on these horrible objects of death. The sooner the better. The outdated 'right to bare arms' nonsense will put paid to any hope of change though.
Such a shame that something so obvious and could save many lives each year is being so childishly and stubbornly ignored.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Aug 27, 2015 5:19:23 GMT -5
Really sad. Somewhat speechless beyond that.
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Post by Kyle on Aug 27, 2015 6:09:48 GMT -5
Blaming guns is nonsense. This is clearly a mental health issue, not gun control. If this piece of crap didn't have access to a gun to murder two people who's to say he wouldn't have gone further with his psychosis and burned the entire news station down? If there's a will, there's a way. Not having a gun is not going to stop someone already crazy enough to murder a human being. I'm definitely not debating this any further, but my heart aches for those young people's families.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 27, 2015 10:18:42 GMT -5
That's crazy, just goes to show your really not safe anywhere. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims loved ones. What a shame and such horrible news. Guns being readily available is the elephant in the room when it comes to safety. Nothing can be done. Alcohol was abolished, we had speak easies and moonshiners. Drugs are illegal. Its the biggest grossing import/export in the US. So... We put more strict regulations on fire arms? I can go on Craigslist and buy 5 hand guns and 5 rifles right now. Who would know about it? The thing is, ypu can outlaw whatever you want. There will always be people whi brwak those laws. No matter what that law could be. Be it drug smuggling, homosexuality in Ugunda, theft, fraud.... No matter how extreme or small , a law will always be broken. So, we could have every gun owner forced to register their names and every weapon we own? Sure.... Why not. The real question, is how many rights will you give up to finally feel safe?
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Post by 0,Y on Aug 27, 2015 10:25:33 GMT -5
Blaming guns is nonsense. This is clearly a mental health issue, not gun control. If this piece of crap didn't have access to a gun to murder two people who's to say he wouldn't have gone further with his psychosis and burned the entire news station down? If there's a will, there's a way. Not having a gun is not going to stop someone already crazy enough to murder a human being. I'm definitely not debating this any further, but my heart aches for those young people's families. That argument is not getting any better. Had he not had access to a gun it would have been a lot harder to do what he did. Of course this is a mental health issue, no sane person would do something like that but giving such people acccess to weapons is just begging for tragedies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 10:49:04 GMT -5
Well yeah, he was insane. But he still used a gun.
If he didn't have one, it would have been way harder for him to do what he did.
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Post by screech on Aug 27, 2015 12:35:27 GMT -5
First off, rip to the two victims and thoughts are with their families but if sandy hook didn't wake up the pro gun morons then this isnt gonna change anything. The gun nuts of the US really need to change their views on these horrible objects of death. The sooner the better. The outdated 'right to bare arms' nonsense will put paid to any hope of change though. Such a shame that something so obvious and could save many lives each year is being so childishly and stubbornly ignored. The real "nuts" are the people who assume criminals are going to follow laws in my opinion. Gun crime is statistically dropping here in the US regardless of how much media attention these crimes receive. Most of those deaths from gun violence involve convicted criminals killing other convicted criminals. The numbers are certainly alarming and sad either way, but when we are surrounded by a population of unstable people that don't follow laws, us law-abiding citizens have the right to be able to own a firearm for our own protection from these people that will not be going through some government background check to get their gun legally like I would. I would also be willing to bet that the violent crime and robbery rates would sky rocket if there ever was some sort of mass disarming of the public because only the law-abiding citizens would be the ones turning in their weapons and it would be like open season for the criminals. Crime rates began to drop in Chicago when more citizens applied for concealed carry and people in Detroit are also attributing rising legal gun ownership to lowering crime rates . When there is an advertised gun ban then criminals will thrive. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/24/chicago-crime-rate-drops-as-concealed-carry-gun-pe/?page=allfreebeacon.com/issues/detroit-sees-rise-in-legal-gun-ownership/It's just ironic to me that you refer to Sandy Hook to wake up the "pro gun morons" when there isn't any legislation that would have prevented that boy from getting those guns. He was in a gun free zone with guns that his mother legally purchased. It's not plausible to assume that she shouldn't have been allowed to own a firearm simply because she had a son that was a loner on some meds. If we go down that route, then plenty of families (and pretty much every military veteran) would be disqualified from being allowed to own a firearm because someone under their roof takes a certain type of medication. There's also no way to ensure that these guns are locked away from these people in proper gun safes but the majority of gun owners are already safe in that aspect. Please explain further what type of laws would be an "obvious" solution to end gun crime that's already going down statistically?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 13:00:46 GMT -5
Which one is easier to restrict and govern? Mental health issues or guns?
If his mom hadn't legally bought the weapons he wouldn't have been able to do what he did. It's quite simple. Here in the UK, guns aren't readily available, thus we havent had many such occurrences of mass murder in our schools or colleges.
Criminals will always find a way to get a weapon, hence why they are criminals. If us normal members of society don't have access to guns then sandy hook, columbine, this TV reporter and her colleague being murdered wouldn't have happened. It amazes me that people don't see the link.
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Post by nyyanks28 on Aug 27, 2015 13:28:46 GMT -5
Guns are certainly part of the equation but they aren't the problem. Call me a pro gun nut but I fully believe in the constitutional right to bare arms. Do I support the NRA or any of its' mission? Hell no, the bigger issue to me is the mental health epidemic. There are millions of people in the United States who are ticking time bombs. You can't takeaway a legal citizens right to bare arms but I sure would love to see them include an evaluation of psych records(Never gonna happen) in the background check.
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Post by screech on Aug 27, 2015 13:28:52 GMT -5
Which one is easier to restrict and govern? Mental health issues or guns? If his mom hadn't legally bought the weapons he wouldn't have been able to do what he did. It's quite simple. Here in the UK, guns aren't readily available, thus we havent had many such occurrences of made murder in our schools or colleges. Adam Lanza's mother was an irresponsible gun owner and a very irresponsible parent / person. Her mistakes aren't going to relinquish every other responsible gun owner's right to own a firearm for their own protection from the countless people, who unlike Nancy Lanza ironically, don't legally purchase their guns and abide by gun control laws. So what's the solution? His mom shouldn't have been allowed to own a gun under what restriction? A flat out ban on all guns? People love to talk about the amount of guns that are already here in the US but then suggest that a gun ban would stop criminals from getting them (who don't legally purchase them anyways) and somehow diminish that large number of guns from existence. The only people who are going to readily hand in firearms are going to be law-abiding citizens. The criminals will keep theirs and then thrive in a disarmed society. There are already too many illegally owned guns in the hands of criminals and they won't be turning them in like the people who abide by the law and only owned their gun for protection from those people and/or for sport. The black market for these weapons would thrive as well considering we have a pretty much open border here with Mexico that our black market for illegal drugs depends and thrives on. It's not as easy as making a comparison between the US and the UK when there are different circumstances and we have a much larger population with so many guns out there that will not be relinquished by the people who use them in the majority of crimes, regardless of any new law. (They don't tend to follow those....) EDIT: Posted before I saw your edit. Those cases of legal firearm purchases being used as a weapon don't account for the majority of gun crimes. The majority of gun crime is committed by criminals who illegally purchased or stole their guns and is often committed against other convicted criminals. These cases where someone legally went through the system to purchase their firearm to use in a sinister manner isn't extremely common. And at this point, there is literally nothing that can get every single gun off of the streets regardless if you want to link every illegal gun on the streets to a previous legal purchase. At the end of the day, the people who won't be turning them in are the ones who would consider using it as a weapon in a crime anyways. They would thrive her under a gun ban. And as you say, criminals will always find a way and that is the exact justification for us normal people having our protection as well to scare them off from even trying anything. The links I provided in my other post showed that an increase in citizens' usage of concealed carry had resulted in less crimes being committed against innocent people. If a criminal understands that their target is likely armed then they aren't going to mess with them. There's nothing we can do to make a big impact in swooping up illegally owned guns from likely criminals. Disarming the public who follow the laws isn't going to reduce crime when the people who commit the crimes won't relinquish their weapons. There's too many.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 14:12:14 GMT -5
If he didn't have a gun, he could have just used a knife or a cross bow or anything else. A gun isn't a weapon until someone uses it like one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 14:18:33 GMT -5
If he didn't have a gun, he could have just used a knife or a cross bow or anything else. A gun isn't a weapon until someone uses it like one. The same can be said for a knife or a crossbow.
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Post by Tim of thee on Aug 27, 2015 14:31:54 GMT -5
What mental health issue did this guy have?
I think people are looking to place blame as a natural human response. It's sad that we can't look at this as a tragedy and that we have to immediate look to "fix" the issue.
I think this is something that is way beyond our understanding. It's just pure evil.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 27, 2015 15:01:43 GMT -5
What mental health issue did this guy have? I think people are looking to place blame as a natural human response. It's sad that we can't look at this as a tragedy and that we have to immediate look to "fix" the issue. I think this is something that is way beyond our understanding. It's just pure evil. Praising past shooters is pretty crazy. The part that angers me, is this is a hate crime. The problem is, the media won't admit it. Its all gun control and mental evaluations...
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