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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 6:09:32 GMT -5
Mr Happy Bret Hart has gone on record saying Hogan is "probably glad" Roddy Piper died, to deflect attention from the Racism scandal.
This is a few months after, unbeknown to Daniel Bryan, he claimed we oughta not get our hopes up and accept he won't be coming back. Bryan obviously shot these allegations down.
Is Bret really the most bitter man in all of Wrestling history? After everything they've all been through in their careers, paired with Brets status as one of the true greats, is anyone else really disapointed in what he's been like this past year? He's got a chip on his shoulder.
Have his comments damaged your view of him as a person? Screw Hogan, of course, let's keep this about Bret.
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Post by Quazimoto on Sept 5, 2015 6:38:44 GMT -5
While I'd find anyone saying someone might be glad someone else is dead to be distasteful, even if it is true, it's pretty forgivable. People say some silly things sometimes in interviews and often we don't get to hear what came before or after a snippet like that. Besides, a little quip like that is much better than someone going on hateful, homophobic, or racist tirade, which is something we've seen far too much of in recent years.
As far as Bret Hart specifically goes... He clearly is a bit bitter and/or grumpy sometimes, but it hasn't changed how I view him. The Hitman will always be among, if not on the very top, of my all time favorites. What's not, I kind of understand why he'd be a bit bitter. Bret Hart was a guy who eat, slept, and breathed professional wrestling. He grew up with it. It was basically his entire life. Yet, he didn't get to finish his career on a good note. He was almost pushed out of WWE in 1997 when the product changed so drastically. He hadn't lost a step at all. In fact, some could legitimately argue that he was better than ever in the ring. Yet, he was being slowly moved aside in favor of newer faces who had terrible attitudes. Obviously, being pushed aside a bit happens to every main eventer at some point, but it still hurts when it happens. Then on his way out of WWE, the whole screwjob in Montreal went down, which completely tarnished his WWE legacy. Bret goes to WCW following that and comes it with high praise. Sadly, WCW had no idea what to do with a guy like Bret Hart and because he wasn't one of Hogan's boys, he was cast aside shortly after arriving. Sure, he had some great moments there, but by and large, the legend that was Bret "Hitman" Hart was relegated to just another cog in the wheel for most of his WCW run. Then in 2001 he gets kicked in the head by a guy who (IMO) never had any business inside a wrestling ring because he was too sloppy and clearly didn't care about protecting his opponent. The kick caused a sever concussion and that concussion brought an end to Bret Hart's career. Bret didn't get to go out the way he should have, on his terms. Sure, lots of wrestlers don't get to go out on their own terms, even some of the all time greats. But that doesn't mean it's an easy pill to swallow.
Is Bret Hart bitter about the way his career ended and thus come off as bitter towards the industry as a whole? Yeah, he more likely than not is. Should he accept it and move on? Yeah, he probably should. But I understand why he might not be able to, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 6:45:01 GMT -5
Is Bret really the most bitter man in all of Wrestling history? No. This whole "bret is bitter" thing is just pathetic, uninformed and completely nonsensical.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 6:58:28 GMT -5
I agree with all of that, his career definately didn't end the way he would have liked. He's bound to feel slightly unfulfilled about how things went down on his way out.
But I can't help but look at guys like Scott Hall, Jake The Snake, and knowing how badly they managed to tarnish their own reputation over the years, and were left with regrets when age caught up with them. And I look at guys like Nigel McGuiness who's career and aspirations were cruelly taken from him without his control. These guys never seem to come across as bitter as Bret.
There's a whole host of veterans who quietly walked away from the business, and they keep their heads down during these controversial incidents. I've never known Bret to say or do anything other than pour more misery on a negative situation (Hogan, Bryan, etc).
The comments about Bryan's injury were warranted since that's exactly how Brets career ended. But if Bryan says he's coming back, he's coming back. Bret can preach outdated medical science till he's gone completely grey if he likes, but if Bryan is cleared to return, he will return. Fate was cruel to Bret, but you'd like to think he would actively encourage a worker to return from the injury that was once bad enough to end his own career.
If Bryan gets hurt again, and has to retire. Cue the "I told you so". Brets slowly becoming that old bitter war vet sat in the corner of a retirement home moaning and complaining when youngsters enjoy nice weather.
And the comments about Piper, he should simply be ashamed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 7:08:05 GMT -5
He's just a few steps away from Iron Sheik.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 7:09:45 GMT -5
Is Bret really the most bitter man in all of Wrestling history? No. This whole "bret is bitter" thing is just pathetic, uninformed and completely nonsensical. A bit extreme. I'm informed about his bitterness because he comes across bitter in interviews. It's nonsensical because he's chosen to involve a recently passed peer in his nonsensical comments. And it's pathetic, because every opinion he's spouted in his recent interviews hold no weight and, for some reason, he's confessed to being angry about it? The "most" bitter man, probably not, but there are hundreds of retired vets who aren't as much of a martyr as he is in 2015.
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Post by attitudesback on Sept 5, 2015 7:16:01 GMT -5
Bret Hart's problem was that he always took himself way too seriously. The Hogan/Piper comments are disgusting and have only made Hogan look like a good guy, in my opinion. Hogan could have shot back, but he chose to be the better man. Only love - HH
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 7:16:48 GMT -5
Is Bret really the most bitter man in all of Wrestling history? No. This whole "bret is bitter" thing is just pathetic, uninformed and completely nonsensical. Infact, hold the phone. This is BRET HART we are talking about here. Refusal to accept that he's bitter isn't just deluded, but it's beyond uninformed. As in, non informed on the major events that have shaped professional wrestling for the past 20 years. Nobody ever said Bret didn't have good reason to be bitter. But cmon now... HBK, the screw job, Goldberg, now Hogan... How could anyone say he isn't known for his bitterness? My argument was simply that it should have ran its course by 2015. Then again, if he's a Network viewer, you'd forgive Bret for keeping the fire alive at every given opportunity. Those royalty cheques must pay his mortgage.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 7:22:25 GMT -5
Bret Hart's problem was that he always took himself way too seriously. The Hogan/Piper comments are disgusting and have only made Hogan look like a good guy, in my opinion. Hogan could have shot back, but he chose to be the better man. Only love - HH And in one tweet, Hogan shows he's the bigger person. Hogan doesn't want this publicity, yet Bret jumped on the bandwagon and made comments so he could take a slice of the Hogan-propaganda pie. Hogan could have shot back, but at the end of the day, he doesn't need to. He could go down like OJ, and Hogan will still be viewed as the bigger star and the bigger man. Regardless of how much that boils the blood of us die hard wrestling fans. Who'd have thought pop culture would love someone like Hogan and actively forget all about a "hard worker" like Bret eh? If Bret made racist comments, no news. If anything, it would simply blur alongside all the rest of the negative/detrimental crap he's spewed in interviews over the years. And that's kind of my point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 7:23:46 GMT -5
should have ran its course by 2015. Yes. The whole "bret is bitter" thing really should have run its course by 2015, the fact that people are trying to make out that he's this "bitter old man" is completely pathetic. And is only spread by the uninformed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 7:50:32 GMT -5
Wow how the hell did I manage to quote myself there?! ^ Wfigs App for iPhone please!
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Sept 5, 2015 8:08:51 GMT -5
I read the interview, and I thought it was great. Bret is always very honest with his answers. And I knew as soon as I read that part about Piper it would be taken out of context by someone. Bret wasn't saying Hogan was glad that Piper died, but more so that something else huge happened in the world of professional wrestling to take all the attention/heat away from Hogan. He didn't mean Hogan was sitting in his house throwing a party, smiling and laughing because a guy he was still pretty close with to this day died.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 8:12:36 GMT -5
Jeremy Clarkson sacked and smeared from the BBC, not bitter. Bill Clinton tarnished his role as President as well as his reputation, remained in politics, not bitter. Tony Blair had death threats after sending UK troops to war in Iraq, remained in politics, not bitter. Izzy Stradlin was booted out of GNR for being on smack when half of the band and crew were also on smack, not bitter. Robbie Williams engaged in a decade long feud with former Take That members, rejoined the band, didn't work out, not bitter...
Bret Hart got screwed by fate on the way out of the business he dedicated his life to. Begrudges every bit of it, and allows that negativity to spread into his opinions about previous peers, as well as current active performers who are continuing the business. And apparently, if you think he's "bitter", regardless of how much he blatently and understandably justifies his bitterness, youre nonsensical and you know nothing about the business of Wrestling?
Stay vigilant, IWC.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 8:13:55 GMT -5
Try reading the interview. Just because you obviously prefer Bret to someone like Hogan, doesn't make Bret any less bitter. And if that somehow nullifies 20 years of wrestling "knowledge" that I'm able to conjure an personal opinion on a legend which hasn't been shaped by popular opinion, like yours clearly has, then you're 100% right. I'll clearly never be as much of a forum sheep as yourself. Perhaps I should retire from this whole "discussing what we see" thing we do. You've shown in other threads you're one of the non informed dudes around here, give it a bit more effort mate. You couldn't argue me down in a millions years, and you know you've tried. Take pops at my opinions all you like kiddo, if being "informed" means denying a valid fact, or making out your opinion is fact to passer-by readers to illusion them into believing what you're saying, I guess you really are "informed"! All hail! Thing is, when I do it, I'm almost always right. Take note. It's easy to sway this entire board into assuming your right, just don't deny the obvious, and comment on what you see. I guess the "informed fans" are the ones who don't interact in real life society enough to tell the difference between negative and positive comments, if it's only us "misinformed" fans who can see that Bret is a bitter old fart, then perhaps we should be thankful that what we lack in wrestling knowledge, we make up for in social interaction! I'm sorry I took a shot at one of your heroes, I take it all back if that makes you feel better! -Calls someone else a sheep. -Blindly follows the uninformed opinion of the masses. I also like how condescending you're attempting to be, it's a good start, but if you're going to want to bait me into a proper argument, you'll have to try a lot harder than that. Unfortunately for you, the content of your post has just come across as a personal attack, in the future you should try and actually gather some points that are worth responding to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 8:28:16 GMT -5
Try reading the interview. Just because you obviously prefer Bret to someone like Hogan, doesn't make Bret any less bitter. And if that somehow nullifies 20 years of wrestling "knowledge" that I'm able to conjure an personal opinion on a legend which hasn't been shaped by popular opinion, like yours clearly has, then you're 100% right. I'll clearly never be as much of a forum sheep as yourself. Perhaps I should retire from this whole "discussing what we see" thing we do. You've shown in other threads you're one of the non informed dudes around here, give it a bit more effort mate. You couldn't argue me down in a millions years, and you know you've tried. Take pops at my opinions all you like kiddo, if being "informed" means denying a valid fact, or making out your opinion is fact to passer-by readers to illusion them into believing what you're saying, I guess you really are "informed"! All hail! Thing is, when I do it, I'm almost always right. Take note. It's easy to sway this entire board into assuming your right, just don't deny the obvious, and comment on what you see. I guess the "informed fans" are the ones who don't interact in real life society enough to tell the difference between negative and positive comments, if it's only us "misinformed" fans who can see that Bret is a bitter old fart, then perhaps we should be thankful that what we lack in wrestling knowledge, we make up for in social interaction! I'm sorry I took a shot at one of your heroes, I take it all back if that makes you feel better! -Calls someone else a sheep. -Blindly follows the uninformed opinion of the masses. I also like how condescending you're attempting to be, it's a good start, but if you're going to want to bait me into a proper argument, you'll have to try a lot harder than that. Unfortunately for you, the content of your post has just come across as a personal attack, in the future you should try and actually gather some points that are worth responding to. If I was following the opinion "of the masses" surely this argument wouldn't be happening..? "It's a good start", "try harder". It's cute how you're attempting to deflect my patronisation back towards me, but seriously kid you couldn't no matter how hard you try. My arrogance is completely by design. How many HOFers do you personally know outside of some 'meet and greet' session, buddy? How many of these debates have you had with people who you know are more informed than you? None I bet, but I have. And I've been put in my place dozens of times by people who are more "informed" than you, or even I, could ever dream of being. So if you think you can try and belittle MY opinion by making some unspecific generalsing comments, don't go there. "A personal attack" ha. Of course it was!
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Post by Nivro™ on Sept 5, 2015 8:37:42 GMT -5
Bret has been bitter for years. Bret's problem is that he was a great worker...that's a fact...but when he was the top guy the business sucked and I think that bothers him. He was the "Best there is yadda yadda" at a time when Duke the Dumpster, Doink, The Goon and Abe Knuckleball Schwartz were around. He was that guy wedged between Hulk Hogan & Steve Austin. When you ask the questions "You're starting a wrestling company and you can hire anyone in history to help make you money, who do you choose?" Bret is very rarely high on that list. You'll get answers of mega stars like Hogan, Austin & Rock or even territory stars like Sammartino, Rhodes or Flair.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 8:45:48 GMT -5
Bret has been bitter for years. Bret's problem is that he was a great worker...that's a fact...but when he was the top guy the business sucked and I think that bothers him. He was the "Best there is yadda yadda" at a time when Duke the Dumpster, Doink, The Goon and Abe Knuckleball Schwartz were around. He was that guy wedged between Hulk Hogan & Steve Austin. When you ask the questions "You're starting a wrestling company and you can hire anyone in history to help make you money, who do you choose?" Bret is very rarely high on that list. You'll get answers of mega stars like Hogan, Austin & Rock or even territory stars like Sammartino, Rhodes or Flair. Damn good point
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