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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 13:05:39 GMT -5
From the Observer:
The Reigns crew opened on 9/11 in Edmonton before 4,000 fans. 9/12 in Calgary drew 3,000. Then they flew all the way to Jonesboro, AR on 9/13 and drew 1,200 fans, which may have been the lowest number for a domestic show this year
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Post by Weemanv1 on Sept 17, 2015 13:07:48 GMT -5
I had no idea there even was a show in Calgary, otherwise I would have gone. Better advertising may help.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 17, 2015 13:08:31 GMT -5
I got the "Reigns" crew for Smackdown a couple of weeks ago. The show was  ing terrible outside of the New Day. Reigns wrestled twice like that was some kind of treat for the fans. The entire upper bowl was blocked off. People can say all they want about the talent pool, but the star power of the current roster is at New Gen levels right now, specifically if no part timers are showing up. |
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Post by J12 on Sept 17, 2015 13:13:05 GMT -5
Their booking strategy is incredibly weird right now, in general.
Maine has never been a huge wrestling market, but we usually show up well for the house shows we get. Just a few years ago, we got three shows in one year (separated by two or three months a piece) and sold out two of the three.
Last year, they brought different crews to Bangor and Portland (little more than two hours apart) on the same night. I would have gone to both shows (I live in the middle), but I had to choose. They split the audience and neither show sold very well at all.
Now, this year, they're sending the same crew up here on two separate nights. Bangor gets Saturday with the B crew, Portland gets Sunday with the B crew. The worst part? It's the same weekend as the MSG Network Special. We're getting a watered down version of the B crew. Take a guess at how that show is selling? Not well.
The B Crew is horrendously short on draws right now. Roman Reigns is a glorified mid-carder on TV, and he's the big star headlining these B shows.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 13:14:50 GMT -5
There are no stars.
Most of the guys who are considered main event level right now would be the "B" team in any other time period.
Not saying the current talent pool isn't great...because I believe they are...
They just aren't over. At all.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 17, 2015 13:20:28 GMT -5
There are no stars. Most of the guys who are considered main event level right now would be the "B" team in any other time period. Not saying the current talent pool isn't great...because I believe they are... They just aren't over. At all. Exactly, which goes back to the booking and this post made in the other thread. Every new talent goes through the same steps: -Comes in hot, star rises -Loses major feud, stock plummets -Trades wins with a variety of opponents who WWE feels are on equal footing, damaging credibility and interest -Becomes a trusty opponent for Cena to beat in a long match on Raw months later Repeat. It's the same story across the board. I'm not blaming Cena specifically, but it's just so poorly handled. The other example used was Kevin Owens. Dude was brought in and made to be a big deal. He beat Cena cleanly and looked like a big deal. Then he lost to Cena. Then he tapped out to Cena. Then he floats aimlessly in the midcard. That isn't how you build stars. |
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Post by attitudesback on Sept 17, 2015 13:32:18 GMT -5
There are no stars. Most of the guys who are considered main event level right now would be the "B" team in any other time period. Not saying the current talent pool isn't great...because I believe they are... They just aren't over. At all. Exactly, which goes back to the booking and this post made in the other thread. Every new talent goes through the same steps: -Comes in hot, star rises -Loses major feud, stock plummets -Trades wins with a variety of opponents who WWE feels are on equal footing, damaging credibility and interest -Becomes a trusty opponent for Cena to beat in a long match on Raw months later Repeat. It's the same story across the board. I'm not blaming Cena specifically, but it's just so poorly handled. The other example used was Kevin Owens. Dude was brought in and made to be a big deal. He beat Cena cleanly and looked like a big deal. Then he lost to Cena. Then he tapped out to Cena. Then he floats aimlessly in the midcard. That isn't how you build stars. Kevin Owens is a fantastic example. It's like "We let him beat Cena that one time! Isn't that enough?!" Like, duh, obviously not. If the dude is a big deal, let him win big matches. It's not even hard to understand, yet the 'E seem to it up so badly. Owens is a fantastic talent and it will be a massive shame if he continues to aimlessly float around. |
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Post by J12 on Sept 17, 2015 13:42:18 GMT -5
There are no stars. Most of the guys who are considered main event level right now would be the "B" team in any other time period. Not saying the current talent pool isn't great...because I believe they are... They just aren't over. At all. Exactly, which goes back to the booking and this post made in the other thread. Every new talent goes through the same steps: -Comes in hot, star rises -Loses major feud, stock plummets -Trades wins with a variety of opponents who WWE feels are on equal footing, damaging credibility and interest -Becomes a trusty opponent for Cena to beat in a long match on Raw months later Repeat. It's the same story across the board. I'm not blaming Cena specifically, but it's just so poorly handled. The other example used was Kevin Owens. Dude was brought in and made to be a big deal. He beat Cena cleanly and looked like a big deal. Then he lost to Cena. Then he tapped out to Cena. Then he floats aimlessly in the midcard. That isn't how you build stars. I don't think it's Cena's fault, either. I'm sure there's a certain level of politicking involved with John, but I also think he's incredibly smart and loves and understands the business enough to want to leave it a better place when he inevitably leaves it. To me, the blame falls almost entirely on Vince and Kevin Dunn, who are absolutely terrified of organically creating stars, and again are stubborn enough to believe that if you shove someone down the crowd's throat hard enough, they will eventually let go and accept it. John Cena is an incredibly valuable asset, and he can continue to be even if he isn't the all-encompassing superman on the product. The simple fact of the matter is, there's a tried and true method for dividing your roster that has worked (with good reason) for decades upon decades. WWE chooses to completely ignore and fly in the face of that formula for the following: 1. John Cena 2. WWE Champion 3. Everyone else 4. Women Occasionally, one and two are even the same, and that's when the flaws became even more apparent. There's no mid-card, because the entire roster (except Cena) is the mid-card. |
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Post by Rule 30 on Sept 17, 2015 14:10:55 GMT -5
There are no stars. Most of the guys who are considered main event level right now would be the "B" team in any other time period. Not saying the current talent pool isn't great...because I believe they are... They just aren't over. At all. Exactly, which goes back to the booking and this post made in the other thread. Every new talent goes through the same steps: -Comes in hot, star rises -Loses major feud, stock plummets -Trades wins with a variety of opponents who WWE feels are on equal footing, damaging credibility and interest -Becomes a trusty opponent for Cena to beat in a long match on Raw months later Repeat. It's the same story across the board. I'm not blaming Cena specifically, but it's just so poorly handled. The other example used was Kevin Owens. Dude was brought in and made to be a big deal. He beat Cena cleanly and looked like a big deal. Then he lost to Cena. Then he tapped out to Cena. Then he floats aimlessly in the midcard. That isn't how you build stars. But he looked so strong! He kicked out of the AA! |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 17, 2015 14:17:31 GMT -5
The heel losing to the top babyface is not the thing to cry about. Not having anything worthwhile for the heel to do afterwards is the thing to cry about, because that's the real problem. Until they fix that, they're screwed when it comes to keeping their wrestlers interesting.
They're at least trying a little with Ziggler/Rusev and Shield/Wyatts, and they did give Owens/Ryback a Raw promo, but it's gonna take a long and sustained effort to clean the upper midcard of the "workrate rematch x10" stink and get people to invest in the characters there.
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Post by Miztery on Sept 17, 2015 14:25:10 GMT -5
There just aren't enough top attractions. I can't even call popular wrestlers like Reigns, Ambrose, or even Bryan stars yet. I'd say the only full blown stars the company has are Cena, Orton, Lesnar, and maybe Rollins.
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Post by Colter on Sept 17, 2015 14:24:57 GMT -5
Maine has never been a huge wrestling market, but we usually show up well for the house shows we get. Just a few years ago, we got three shows in one year (separated by two or three months a piece) and sold out two of the three. Last year, they brought different crews to Bangor and Portland (little more than two hours apart) on the same night. I would have gone to both shows (I live in the middle), but I had to choose. They split the audience and neither show sold very well at all. Now, this year, they're sending the same crew up here on two separate nights. Bangor gets Saturday with the B crew, Portland gets Sunday with the B crew. The worst part? It's the same weekend as the MSG Network Special. We're getting a watered down version of the B crew. Take a guess at how that show is selling? Not well. Exactly why I'm skipping this year. I'd rather save the money and trip and just sit home and watch the Network. |
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Post by A-Rob on Sept 17, 2015 14:35:39 GMT -5
Nobody's over? sounds correct to me.
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Post by marino13 on Sept 17, 2015 14:42:56 GMT -5
It might be time to stop having tow separate crews for awhile. Until then, we can expect the house shows to be mediocre.
A few months back I went to a local show that had Cena, Rusev, Ambrose, New Day, & Cesaro/Kidd. It was fun, but the show would have been better had Reigns, Wyatt, Orton, or Neville been involved.
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Post by Casty on Sept 17, 2015 14:54:38 GMT -5
There are so many people on the roster who either had the possibility of being a star taken away, or not being given the chance. Take Ziggler, he could be having great matches with Rusev, if they never would've started this dumbass angle. Ziggler was probably one of the most over people all the way up until this storyline. Dean Ambrose is another example, insanely over, then lost in the shuffle in a not bad storyline, but one where Ambrose doesn't get the chance to build up star power. Everyone's touched on Kevin Owens. Watch Smackdown tonight and I'll tell you about Cesaro, Rhodes is Stardust, if the goldust character can never make it to the main event scene, neither will Stardust, I take nothing away from Cody, who is killing it as stardust, but he will never be a main eventer as Stardust. The Miz and Jack Swagger, former World and WWE champions, now? Miz has to rely on getting over with his charisma, because they let Ryback kick out of his finisher on a Smackdown, lord knows Miz going over Ryback and letting the two trade wins would be satanic, and Swagger needs Colter.
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Post by Cameron Stone on Sept 17, 2015 18:50:23 GMT -5
Calgary doesn't want house shows. If they don't bring RAW here it won't sell. Smack down and house shows do awful here.
Also doesn't help that on this house show they wouldn't release upper bowl in the saddle some until lower bowl sold out which it didn't. I know plenty of people who would have gone if they could have gotten cheaper tickets, but nobody wanted to pay RAW prices for a house show and cough up like $60.
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Post by kimberlasskick on Sept 17, 2015 18:56:01 GMT -5
don't run two house shows the same day. That is the problem. this B show crap has got to go.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Sept 17, 2015 19:26:48 GMT -5
Is Owens/Cena not the highest drawing house show fued in years? I swear I've heard that recently.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 17, 2015 19:42:06 GMT -5
Is Owens/Cena not the highest drawing house show fued in years? I swear I've heard that recently. I believe it is. The "B" squad, led by Roman Reigns and usually Bray Wyatt, seem to be the ones with the putrid numbers. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 19:44:48 GMT -5
I would like to know who the roman crew are comapred to the other one.
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