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Post by sean™ on Sept 22, 2015 12:06:12 GMT -5
Reminds me of being at concerts with rowdy fans. Their stupidity comes with the price of admission, but if they step over that line and kick me in head while crowd surfing for example, I will lift them out of the crowd and slam them neck first into the ground.
I don't tolerate drunk or rude ***holes and I don't think the performers should either. Any fan that jumps the barricade knows what is coming to them.
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Sept 22, 2015 12:14:10 GMT -5
Randy didn't throw him from the stage though. Randy also willingly flew back to the country to take care of the issue. The videos of the even showed a security guard throwing the kid from the stage and one showed randy slightly laying a hand on his back and giving him a slight push. Concert producer here, this is also a lawsuit that would never make it through the courts without 100% proof. Read your tickets. No event producer is responsible for what happens if you overstep your bounds as an attendee. One company I work for is sued countless times, every year, and it goes nowhere. One of the best videos of wrestlers stomping a guy who enters is Hall and Nash, because they really arent laying into him that hard. Nash is basically holding him down with his foot while Hall stomps he would any wrestler. Wrestlers easily can at least subdue people. WWE just doesn't want the attention and to end up on every talking head show about how "LOOK AT THESE BRUTES AGAIN! THATS JUST A GUY!" and the guy get's more attention. That's realistically the reason they have security handle it. It makes it a bigger deal. He wouldn't win a lawsuit, he agreed to WWE's terms upon entering, he could get punched by the Big Show for stepping into the ring area and not much he can do. The contracts and insurance producers have for this exact type of thing aren't small. I would not even call this a WWE issue anymore. This is becoming, at least to me, a very big issue with finding adequate local security. Clearly they're hiring anyone who will just take the job, not building a staff who has the ability to tell where problems will rise. A good security staff is a huge asset. Some cities are showing they don't have that. WWE only employs so many of their actual own security. They were also in the Czech Republic. ..... different rules
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Sept 22, 2015 12:17:27 GMT -5
Concert producer here, this is also a lawsuit that would never make it through the courts without 100% proof. Read your tickets. No event producer is responsible for what happens if you overstep your bounds as an attendee. One company I work for is sued countless times, every year, and it goes nowhere. One of the best videos of wrestlers stomping a guy who enters is Hall and Nash, because they really arent laying into him that hard. Nash is basically holding him down with his foot while Hall stomps he would any wrestler. Wrestlers easily can at least subdue people. WWE just doesn't want the attention and to end up on every talking head show about how "LOOK AT THESE BRUTES AGAIN! THATS JUST A GUY!" and the guy get's more attention. That's realistically the reason they have security handle it. It makes it a bigger deal. He wouldn't win a lawsuit, he agreed to WWE's terms upon entering, he could get punched by the Big Show for stepping into the ring area and not much he can do. The contracts and insurance producers have for this exact type of thing aren't small. I would not even call this a WWE issue anymore. This is becoming, at least to me, a very big issue with finding adequate local security. Clearly they're hiring anyone who will just take the job, not building a staff who has the ability to tell where problems will rise. A good security staff is a huge asset. Some cities are showing they don't have that. WWE only employs so many of their actual own security. They were also in the Czech Republic. ..... different rules Correct. However, he still was proven not guilty. Setting a precedent for future cases. That's how laws work. But people always quote his case referring to things in the West, which when applied, his case would have never seen a court in say Iowa.
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Post by AmericanMadeLesGold on Sept 22, 2015 12:17:32 GMT -5
I don't think the wrestlers should have to waste any energy on trash like that. Why risk any injury over someone so stupid?
And if the wrestlers lay a hand on them, then the idiot will try to fight back, just a bad idea all around IMO.
This is a job for security, so maybe they need to beef it up, especially at live TV shows and PPVs.
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Sept 22, 2015 12:43:46 GMT -5
They were also in the Czech Republic. ..... different rules Correct. However, he still was proven not guilty. Setting a precedent for future cases. That's how laws work. But people always quote his case referring to things in the West, which when applied, his case would have never seen a court in say Iowa. I totally agree.. they were simply trying to prove a point... point the finger of blame of the misunderstood American music guy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 14:17:33 GMT -5
Notice how all of the fan involved things recently has involved members of the Shield? Reigns getting clocked in the head with the briefcase. The fan that apparently tried to shank Dean Ambrose. The fan that walked the ramp with Rollins. Last night. Collusion! I'm still waiting for someone to jump in the ring when Brock Lesnar is in there
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 17:54:49 GMT -5
100% this. As an avid Pantera fan, and an ever grieving Dimebag worshipper, every time something like this happens (fan in the ring at NOC, Jason Bent during Kanye at Glastonbury, etc) it's horrible because the first knee jerk reaction is to worry that they might be trying to harm whomever is on stage. Incase anyone is unfamiliar, Dimebag Darrel was murdered on stage by a mentally ill obsessed fan, who claimed his motives were because Dimebag was mocking him, and that he was essentially 'reading his mind and stealing his music'. Dimebag was shot dead on stage, in front of several hundred fans and his own brother Vinnie. In an industry such as music, where there was no viable reason to develop a murderous hatred for Dimebag, a guitarist, I do worry for the faces and heels of our industry with psychos like that out there. Especially when WWEs top stars are so encouraged to open their lives to outlets such as social media. the wife and I were going to go to that show. I ended up being too tired after work. so we stayed home. The Alrosa is still my favorite place to see shows, when people will actually play it. Have a friend that was security there that night..... Wow dude, that's crazy close to home. I consider it the greatest tragedy to my beloved music genre, you're literally the closest I've ever been to the situation. I'm thankful you both chose not to attend, you never know what could have happened. Horrible to assume that could happen at a venue where you'd have thought everyone is only there to enjoy themselves.
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Sept 22, 2015 19:04:40 GMT -5
the wife and I were going to go to that show. I ended up being too tired after work. so we stayed home. The Alrosa is still my favorite place to see shows, when people will actually play it. Have a friend that was security there that night..... Wow dude, that's crazy close to home. I consider it the greatest tragedy to my beloved music genre, you're literally the closest I've ever been to the situation. I'm thankful you both chose not to attend, you never know what could have happened. Horrible to assume that could happen at a venue where you'd have thought everyone is only there to enjoy themselves. One if my best friends lives in Illinois, his favorite band is Pantera. . It broke my heart when I told him my home venue is where he got killed. It's an amazing place to see shows still, but short of really small acts, dope and mushroomhead no one really will play there.
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Post by HHH316 on Sept 22, 2015 19:12:01 GMT -5
I wish talent would react like Eddie Guerrero used to. That'll teach 'em.
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Post by scottydub on Sept 22, 2015 19:17:53 GMT -5
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Post by scottydub on Sept 22, 2015 19:19:53 GMT -5
This is my personal fav...
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Sept 22, 2015 19:21:34 GMT -5
Yaaaay Edmonton -_- I remember being there for that Raw. Great ladder match if not for this toolbag.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 6:40:11 GMT -5
When idiots try to jump into the ring or touch/attack the performers they deserve to get they're ass beat-in a perfect world. But in today's world there is always a lawyer out there making sure idiots get money for being idiots.....
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Post by Lewscher on Sept 26, 2015 5:06:24 GMT -5
Sorry to say but you're horribly wrong. Take into account lamb of gods, randy blythe with the European incident. Let security do their job safely, and not risk injury to a fan by a performer, and risk the performers career when security is there for the job of keeping the lines drawn. No need for accidental harm/damage or even a law suit. Thats bad for business Although yes the 'fans' stupid enough to join seths entrance or be the third shield guy, are simply disrespectful and moronic :/
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