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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 11:38:04 GMT -5
Ugh. I've been holding back on getting involved in this thread but there are several things that need to be addressed here. Instead of looking at the Carmella injury as one single incident, you need to look at the totality of the circumstances. It's no secret Eva Marie is struggling in the ring. In fact, there hasn't really been much improvement since joining NXT, tbh. If you take the fact that Eva Marie is piss poor in the ring and combine it with hurting Carmella then it becomes apparent she clearly needs more training and probably shouldn't be wrestling on TV at this point. When someone who is already a poor wrestler hurts someone, there will certainly be more backlash than if it were a good, solid, polished wrestler who accidentally hurt someone. That takes us to the Seth Rollins and Samoa Joe comparisons. Did Seth hurt Cena? Yes. Did Joe hurt Kidd? Maybe. Either way, both Seth and Joe are extremely knowledgeable, good and polished wrestlers. For them to hurt someone is most certainly a rarity. Injuries do happen in wrestling and even the best of wrestlers have probably hurt someone accidentally in their career. However, it's a rarity for it to happen. My point being, Eva Marie is garbage in the ring. Therefore, her hurting someone is a much bigger deal because it shows she is still struggling to do things safely. On the other hand, someone like Seth Rollins or Samoa Joe hurting someone would just be chalked up as an accident. These same rules apply in any job. If you're a new hire as a taxi driver and get into a crash during your first month at work after already making it apparent you are a crappy driver, you are going to receive more flak for it than the guy who's been driving safely for 15 years and gets into is first crash. This is common sense stuff. But take a look at who she faced shes facing Carmella who is just as green as eva is but only slighty better than her by a little bit.I just Don't understand why NXT bookers keep putting them in the ring together.Was Eva Marie injuring Billie Kay,Peyton Royce when she was wrestling them? No.But they continue to have her face off with carmella when you put two green wrestlers against each other its gonna turn Red eventually.Eva Marie and Carmella needs to wrestle more experience female wrestlers bring natalya down there as well as paige,The Bellas can help as well.They need more matches againts Experience female wrestlers.At the end I hope carmella is ok.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 11:40:31 GMT -5
Ugh. I've been holding back on getting involved in this thread but there are several things that need to be addressed here. Instead of looking at the Carmella injury as one single incident, you need to look at the totality of the circumstances. It's no secret Eva Marie is struggling in the ring. In fact, there hasn't really been much improvement since joining NXT, tbh. If you take the fact that Eva Marie is piss poor in the ring and combine it with hurting Carmella then it becomes apparent she clearly needs more training and probably shouldn't be wrestling on TV at this point. When someone who is already a poor wrestler hurts someone, there will certainly be more backlash than if it were a good, solid, polished wrestler who accidentally hurt someone. That takes us to the Seth Rollins and Samoa Joe comparisons. Did Seth hurt Cena? Yes. Did Joe hurt Kidd? Maybe. Either way, both Seth and Joe are extremely knowledgeable, good and polished wrestlers. For them to hurt someone is most certainly a rarity. Injuries do happen in wrestling and even the best of wrestlers have probably hurt someone accidentally in their career. However, it's a rarity for it to happen. My point being, Eva Marie is garbage in the ring. Therefore, her hurting someone is a much bigger deal because it shows she is still struggling to do things safely. On the other hand, someone like Seth Rollins or Samoa Joe hurting someone would just be chalked up as an accident. These same rules apply in any job. If you're a new hire as a taxi driver and get into a crash during your first month at work after already making it apparent you are a crappy driver, you are going to receive more flak for it than the guy who's been driving safely for 15 years and gets into is first crash. This is common sense stuff. But take a look at who she faced shes facing Carmella who is just as green as eva is but only slighty better than her by a little bit.I just Don't understand why NXT bookers keep putting them in the ring together.Was Eva Marie injuring Billie Kay,Peyton Royce when she was wrestling them? No.But they continue to have her face off with carmella when you put two green wrestlers against each other its gonna turn Red eventually.Eva Marie and Carmella needs to wrestle more experience female wrestlers bring natalya down there as well as paige,The Bellas can help as well.They need more matches againts Experience female wrestlers.At the end I hope carmella is ok. I agree Eva and Carmella should be working with more experienced females. I don't know if brining everybody back down to NXT is the solution but many wrestlers have said you can't improve unless you work with those who are better than you. I'm just trying to explain the reasoning for the backlash towards Eva Marie who seems to be struggling much more than others. Carmella included.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 11:59:08 GMT -5
But take a look at who she faced shes facing Carmella who is just as green as eva is but only slighty better than her by a little bit.I just Don't understand why NXT bookers keep putting them in the ring together.Was Eva Marie injuring Billie Kay,Peyton Royce when she was wrestling them? No.But they continue to have her face off with carmella when you put two green wrestlers against each other its gonna turn Red eventually.Eva Marie and Carmella needs to wrestle more experience female wrestlers bring natalya down there as well as paige,The Bellas can help as well.They need more matches againts Experience female wrestlers.At the end I hope carmella is ok. I agree Eva and Carmella should be working with more experienced females. I don't know if brining everybody back down to NXT is the solution but many wrestlers have said you can't improve unless you work with those who are better than you. I'm just trying to explain the reasoning for the backlash towards Eva Marie who seems to be struggling much more than others. Carmella included. The Entire NXT Womens division is up in the air right now because they just lost sasha banks,Charlotte and Becky Lynch now all they have is 2 experience female wrestlers(Bayley and Emma) and a bunch of green wrestlers(Eva,Carmella,Alexa and Dana Brooke) you also have Asuka who comes in with a completely different style of wrestling from japan and she's gonna have to lower her guard down so the other girls can keep up with her.This is going to be a big test for NXT Can they still have a successful womens division without sasha,Charlotte and Becky Lynch and eventually bayley would be leaving as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 12:15:03 GMT -5
I agree Eva and Carmella should be working with more experienced females. I don't know if brining everybody back down to NXT is the solution but many wrestlers have said you can't improve unless you work with those who are better than you. I'm just trying to explain the reasoning for the backlash towards Eva Marie who seems to be struggling much more than others. Carmella included. The Entire NXT Womens division is up in the air right now because they just lost sasha banks,Charlotte and Becky Lynch now all they have is 2 experience female wrestlers(Bayley and Emma) and a bunch of green wrestlers(Eva,Carmella,Alexa and Dana Brooke) you also have Asuka who comes in with a completely different style of wrestling from japan and she's gonna have to lower her guard down so the other girls can keep up with her.This is going to be a big test for NXT Can they still have a successful womens divion without sasha,Charlotte and Becky Lynch and eventually bayley would be leaving as well. Agreed. The thing is though...Eva Marie is not the answer either. In fact, I feel she is doing nothing but damage to the NXT Women's Division right now. Everything that made the NXT Women's Division special and what really kicked off this alleged "Divas Revolution" is essentially everything opposite of Eva Marie. Basically, Eva Marie is taking us back to the "old guard" way of doing things where women were picked to be part of the Divas Division out of bikini magazines and search contests. What made the NXT Women's Division so special was a group of girls (Paige, Emma, Natalya, Bayley, Sasha, Charlotte, Becky) who had LEGIT passion, love and devotion for the business. They were so devoted, in fact, that they put on some of the best women's wrestling matches ever seen in WWE. Eva Marie is literally taking us back to the Diva Search Contest days were women were hired because of their sweet asses and the wrestling division suffered terribly for years because of this fact.
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Post by Rob on Oct 5, 2015 12:18:14 GMT -5
You can tell Eva has absolutely zero clue on what to do out there. She always looks so lost and awkward. She hasn't improved at all. Everything she does is just cringeworthy and bad. Its not even about being a "hater", She just isnt meant for this. She is 31 years old and still cant get the basics down. She has been with WWE for over 2 years now. There is absolutely no excuse for her to be this bad.
Go look at Charlotte, She started around the same time Eva Marie got started and look how far she has come. She obviously has a passion to learn this craft and she has shown tremendous growth in 2 years while Eva Marie cant even fall down without looking like a plank of wood.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 12:23:35 GMT -5
You can tell Eva has absolutely zero clue on what to do out there. She always looks so lost and awkward. She hasn't improved at all. Everything she does is just cringeworthy and bad. Its not even about being a "hater", She just isnt meant for this. She is 31 years old and still cant get the basics down. She has been with WWE for over 2 years now. There is absolutely no excuse for her to be this bad. Go look at Charlotte, She started around the same time Eva Marie got started and look how far she has come. She obviously has a passion to learn this craft and she has shown tremendous growth in 2 years while Eva Marie cant even fall down without looking like a plank of wood. This is exactly my point. None of this is a shot at Eva Marie personally. Wrestling, like any profession, isn't meant for everyone. Some people "get it" and some don't. Eva Marie simply doesn't "get it" and maybe never will. Eva Marie may be a great person and I'm sure she will succeed in something...but I don't see it being wrestling. As I said before, not showing improvement in any profession is unacceptable. Had Eva Marie been hired 10 years ago with Christy Hemme, Candice Michelle, etc. this may have been forgiven. However, women's wrestling is being held to a higher standard now due to the work of the NXT girls.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 12:28:53 GMT -5
If this time next year, Eva Marie isn't at least acceptable in the ring, it's time for WWE to let her go.
I've given her a chance. When she started training with Kendrick, I was one of the people who said "good for her, I hope she gets better and proves me wrong", but she just didn't. She's learned the most basic in ring skills, half of which I learned on my very first day at wrestling school a week ago. I want to see her improve, but she isn't. She sucks. Plain and simple, and until she improves and is capable of putting on a semi decent match, she should be kept off of television completely and spend all of her time in the Performance Center, training, watching, studying, and doing everything she can to improve. Dana Brooke is far from good, but she is improving in the ring, slowly, but Eva just seems incapable of that. She sticks to the same formulaic match every time she's out there, and until she does actually get better, I couldn't care less about her.
I hope Carmella heals up soon because she's one of my favourite acts on NXT.
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Post by ohernan6 on Oct 5, 2015 12:31:46 GMT -5
I'm a guy who wants Eva to succeed but I have to say, she doesn't look like she has improved that much. She looks like a total beginner and I don't think beginners should be having matches on TV at all.
I have a friend who trains in the same building where she was training at in California and it's weird: he says she's much better than what you see on TV, and that there's some weird orders she has to follow where she needs to look bad n TV. I have no idea how this strategy can produce anything good... I don't even know if I want to believe my friend. Also, she is supposedly very focused and really does love wrestling...
I still want to see her succeed, but she needs to do better. Also, Carmella ain't all that great either, so she may have just as much fault there too. Should she receive just as many boos?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 12:34:00 GMT -5
If this time next year, Eva Marie isn't at least acceptable in the ring, it's time for WWE to let her go. I've given her a chance. When she started training with Kendrick, I was one of the people who said "good for her, I hope she gets better and proves me wrong", but she just didn't. She's learned the most basic in ring skills, half of which I learned on my very first day at wrestling school a week ago. I want to see her improve, but she isn't. She sucks. Plain and simple, and until she improves and is capable of putting on a semi decent match, she should be kept off of television completely and spend all of her time in the Performance Center, training, watching, studying, and doing everything she can to improve. Dana Brooke is far from good, but she is improving in the ring, slowly, but Eva just seems incapable of that. She sticks to the same formulaic match every time she's out there, and until she does actually get better, I couldn't care less about her. I hope Carmella heals up soon because she's one of my favourite acts on NXT. Agreed. WWE needs to just pull the plug because Eva Marie is doing nothing but harm to the Women's Division right now. Agreed about Carmella also. I wasn't into her at first but she really grew on me...starting when I saw her live at NXT Cleveland in those skimpy cutoff jean shorts. The NXT crowd has warmed up to her also. I like her to the point where I'm kinda bummed when Enzo & Cass come out without her.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 13:01:44 GMT -5
If this time next year, Eva Marie isn't at least acceptable in the ring, it's time for WWE to let her go. I've given her a chance. When she started training with Kendrick, I was one of the people who said "good for her, I hope she gets better and proves me wrong", but she just didn't. She's learned the most basic in ring skills, half of which I learned on my very first day at wrestling school a week ago. I want to see her improve, but she isn't. She sucks. Plain and simple, and until she improves and is capable of putting on a semi decent match, she should be kept off of television completely and spend all of her time in the Performance Center, training, watching, studying, and doing everything she can to improve. Dana Brooke is far from good, but she is improving in the ring, slowly, but Eva just seems incapable of that. She sticks to the same formulaic match every time she's out there, and until she does actually get better, I couldn't care less about her. I hope Carmella heals up soon because she's one of my favourite acts on NXT. Agreed. WWE needs to just pull the plug because Eva Marie is doing nothing but harm to the Women's Division right now. Agreed about Carmella also. I wasn't into her at first but she really grew on me...starting when I saw her live at NXT Cleveland in those skimpy cutoff jean shorts. The NXT crowd has warmed up to her also. I like her to the point where I'm kinda bummed when Enzo & Cass come out without her. Same. I thought she was just generic female #666 when she debuted but I've really come to like her lately. I'm all for giving women a chance to improve. Trish Stratus is one of my favourite wrestlers. I want Eva to be better but she just isn't.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Oct 5, 2015 13:14:47 GMT -5
I have a friend who trains in the same building where she was training at in California and it's weird: he says she's much better than what you see on TV, and that there's some weird orders she has to follow where she needs to look bad n TV. I have no idea how this strategy can produce anything good... I don't even know if I want to believe my friend. It strikes me as very unlikely. Although it could work well -- essentially, the big problem in NXT (and WWE in general), particularly the NXT divas division, is that they struggle to produce heels. Eva Marie is the antidote to the "I LOVE YOUR WORKRATE, SASHA" dilemma they have, and making sure she stays "bad" would be a good way to stick to it. If she beats Bayley for that belt, that's gonna be heel heat that the rest of the NXT roster can only dream of. And whoever wins it from Eva would get probably the biggest babyface reaction that NXT has ever seen. I don't think it's very likely that she would be performing poorly on purpose, though.
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Post by Joey Cush on Oct 5, 2015 13:25:55 GMT -5
You can tell Eva has absolutely zero clue on what to do out there. She always looks so lost and awkward. She hasn't improved at all. Everything she does is just cringeworthy and bad. Its not even about being a "hater", She just isnt meant for this. She is 31 years old and still cant get the basics down. She has been with WWE for over 2 years now. There is absolutely no excuse for her to be this bad. Go look at Charlotte, She started around the same time Eva Marie got started and look how far she has come. She obviously has a passion to learn this craft and she has shown tremendous growth in 2 years while Eva Marie cant even fall down without looking like a plank of wood. This is exactly my point. None of this is a shot at Eva Marie personally. Wrestling, like any profession, isn't meant for everyone. Some people "get it" and some don't. Eva Marie simply doesn't "get it" and maybe never will. Eva Marie may be a great person and I'm sure she will succeed in something...but I don't see it being wrestling. As I said before, not showing improvement in any profession is unacceptable. Had Eva Marie been hired 10 years ago with Christy Hemme, Candice Michelle, etc. this may have been forgiven. However, women's wrestling is being held to a higher standard now due to the work of the NXT girls. Its basically what I said earlier about WWE wanting results now, regardless whom or what it harms. Total Divas is a bigger appeal than their division because its a separate money maker to them. So if they can have Eva on TV wrestling, they think that will help bring fans from TD over to WWE because Eva is in fact popular. I could be wrong but I could see Triple H either doing a favor to Vince by having her on NXT or Vince just forcing her on. I could see either or.
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Post by Daria on Oct 5, 2015 13:44:27 GMT -5
I saw Eva Marie face one of those Australian girls at an nxt live Event and she looked great. There was one mess up but still they both cleaned it up well, I could probably believe they're making her look bad on purpose,
You can't except the girl to get trained for like four months and come out like Sasha banks. She's a work in progress. Give her a year atleast
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 5, 2015 14:17:02 GMT -5
I saw Eva Marie face one of those Australian girls at an nxt live Event and she looked great. There was one mess up but still they both cleaned it up well, I could probably believe they're making her look bad on purpose, You can't except the girl to get trained for like four months and come out like Sasha banks. She's a work in progress. Give her a year atleast She's been under contract for over two years. She is still very bad. I've stated numerous times that I don't need her to be Sasha Banks. I just need her to be serviceable. She's awful, flat out. Fine, you saw one match where you say she looked great. It never translates to TV. She's been terrible each time out. There are TONS of girls much better than her that should be in her spot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 17:35:26 GMT -5
I saw Eva Marie face one of those Australian girls at an nxt live Event and she looked great. There was one mess up but still they both cleaned it up well, I could probably believe they're making her look bad on purpose, You can't except the girl to get trained for like four months and come out like Sasha banks. She's a work in progress. Give her a year atleast She's been under contract for over two years. She is still very bad. I've stated numerous times that I don't need her to be Sasha Banks. I just need her to be serviceable. She's awful, flat out. Fine, you saw one match where you say she looked great. It never translates to TV. She's been terrible each time out. There are TONS of girls much better than her that should be in her spot. I feel Eva Should be a valet she could benift a lot more in that position.I had said this a thousands times she needs to be a valet who wrestles occasionally.Put her with a tag team or a solo superstar I don't know who but that's what she should be doing.There is a place for Eva but a wrestler isnt one of them.
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