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Post by theMOESIAH on Nov 23, 2015 0:53:13 GMT -5
Nobody wants either of them. I'd be fine with them feuding over the IC or US title but neither one of them should be the focal point of the company. There was alot of people here who was fine with Roman winning the title. Yeah I'm sure all 17 of you were real happy when he won
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Nov 23, 2015 0:53:53 GMT -5
PPV was awful...top to bottom. Best matches were Reigns/DelRio and Owens/Ambrose. Main event was horrid. No chemistry between these two. And Sheamus winning?! Sheamus and Orton are the two laziest workers in WWE right now.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Nov 23, 2015 1:02:19 GMT -5
I'm actually a supported of Reigns, but the reaction he's still getting to this day, is NOT what you want out of your supposed #1 baby face. To compare Reigns and Cenas reactions just because they're both mixed is ludicrous. Cena had to work years at being "the guy" before everyone turned on him, Reigns has done far less and is getting a worse reaction. Cena was already established by that point, after being as close to white hot as a character could be for a long while, Reigns has never been there. I still have hopes for him, but I honestly believe he needs to be heel right now to be taken seriously, and tonight was the absolute best chance they had. I feel bad for Dean out of all of this...he did not look great coming out of that match..
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Nov 23, 2015 1:41:49 GMT -5
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooh, WFigs... don't you dare be sour!
What a fantastic ending to a lacklustre show. Amidst the boredom of Reigns winning the title and the rest of the show being relatively poor (how bad are divas matches on PPV without Nikki Bella? I mean ugh. Get back ASAP.) Sheamus stood taller than all the rest.
I can't wait for RAW tomorrow... and love how Triple H is once again duping you smart fans who think you hate Sheamus because he 'sucks' when in reality, he's just getting the rise out of you that any heel should. That is why he's the best heel of the current era.
And don't say he makes people want to turn off.. have you seen ratings lately? Expect them the skyrocket now that the Celtic Conqueror is back on the throne.
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Post by Booger Red on Nov 23, 2015 1:59:32 GMT -5
But IMO I don't see it that way for this time around.He Had the opportunity to get things handed towards him but he didn't.He wants to prove to everyone that he deserves his spot and for me I can at least get behind him for that. I can't get behind a story like this when I know what lies underneath everything. Sure, Roman Reigns the character has struggled to reach the top, but not so much the person. I'm not saying he's never struggled, but let's be real about this. Reigns has had the support of the company since the day he walked into FCW. This isn't the underdog story that WWE wants us to buy into. Trying to make Reigns into a Daniel Bryan-esque character is quite honestly ing pathetic. I'd say WWE trying to re-hash the Daniel Bryan underdog storyline with Roman Reigns, who for all intents and purposes has been anything but an underdog, is downright insulting to the fans
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 2:31:21 GMT -5
. I've really warmed to Reigns this past year because he's put a crazy amount of effort in to improve his ring work and last night was the perfect time to crown him as champ. I was legit excited that he won and then Sheamus cashed in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 3:11:59 GMT -5
I wanna see someone recreate the casket tron. I don't suppose anyone could point to each image they used, could they?
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Post by weaseltv on Nov 23, 2015 3:20:03 GMT -5
I was a bit happy Sheamus won... the fan reaction is always funny, they popped for Sheamus, pretty much like they popped for Orton when he beat Bryan when he cashed in. I actually liked how they showed Reigns reaction after he lost the title too... That emotion he showed seemed more real to me than any emotion he shows during his matches... hoping he starts making his entrances down the entrance ramp, and turns his back on the fans, and of course works on his mic skills...
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Post by Dan on Nov 23, 2015 4:54:55 GMT -5
It was all way too predictable, and when that confetti came out, it just felt like a watered down carbon-copy of when Daniel Bryan won at Summerslam only for Triple H to help Randy Orton to cash in. You cannot even compare the impact and emotion that had compared to this time around with Reigns, it was ridiculous. In all honesty, I don't understand why they didn't turn him Heel, the it would have legitimised him to an extent and at least made me want to tune in. I don't even feel like Raw tomorrow is must-see. Just imagine they had Reigns turn Heel, he could have even faced The Rock for the Title at Wrestlemania. Then a solidified Heel Reigns could finally pass the Belt on to a returning babyface Rollins. Even the short-term programming would have been more entertaining and must-see than yet again Reigns' struggle to get the Title, this time from Sheamus who people still don't really care for. I'm genuinely worried now that they are going to completely copy the Daniel Bryan story now. I would not put it past Reigns winning next years Rumble yet again.
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Post by cmiller79 on Nov 23, 2015 5:50:46 GMT -5
If they are trying to make this thing with roman like daniel Bryan's rise to title at wrestlemania after he got screwed at Summerslam and orton came out and cashed in
IT WILL FAIL IF THEY DO THAT
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Post by sitruC on Nov 23, 2015 6:06:03 GMT -5
All Survivor Series had to do was tell a story, and Sheamus winning is the perfect chapter in Reigns' history book.
Now when Reigns wins it will actually be better. All hail Sheamus.
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Post by JCF on Nov 23, 2015 7:28:41 GMT -5
Easily the worst 'PPV' of the year. First 2 matches were good I'll give them that. Reigns and Del Rio picked up towards the final minutes I must say. Owens and Ambrose are in a league of their own, they kicked ass.
Unfortunately the rest of the show fell completely flat and lost my interest. Immediately regretted not switching to Walking Dead at 9. I fell asleep before Wyatt/Taker but woke up before Reigns/Ambrose. No chemistry between these 2 sadly. Good for a quick brawl and some quick moves.
Way too obvious of an ending. Once the confetti came down it's like well here goes Daniel Bryan @ SSlam '13 round 2.
I'm not totally against Sheamus having the title as I feel there may be some potential for him being a badass heel authority figure but I can't see anything good coming from this tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 8:09:00 GMT -5
I almost feel like the former "BCW"; just ready to hate on everything that was presented to the point where you wonder 'So why are you a fan then?'
I'm not though - though I was very much disinterested as a whole...
...the same banal commentary, double features, dumbing down to explain why there's a tournament in the first place - I know why they do it, but it just comes across as so hokey.
Reigns vs ADR was a solid opener, though it would've been good to see Reigns sell the arm some more after he won. Oh, and not cut a promo afterwards.
Amazing to think two guys who were in CZW at one point in their careers faced each other next - a by-the-numbers bout that felt flat, especially for a semi-final.
New Day were a bright spot - I'm yet to be NOT entertained by them - though I will admit once they left I fast-forwarded to the end of the match.
Paige vs Charlotte was horrendous IMO - a video package showed how much animosity they have toward each other, and yet the match felt like anything but a heated match for a championship. Paige's schtick has worn so incredibly thin for mine lately - constantly saying 'This is my house' without any other reason than to have a shirt made with that obtuse slogan just has me rolling eyes... So a championship match with no heat, no chemistry and yet it just dragged on and on...all while Tweedledum on commentary waxes lyrical on how wonderful the 'Divas Revolution' is. Poor, just plain poor.
What happened next? Oh yeah, Tyler Breeze beat Vince Neil of Motley Crüe and Bray Wyatt and co were destroyed by The Brothers of Destruction. Great entrance for 'Taker - sadly the best part of the match IMO.
...and so, straight into it - brother vs brother - Reigns vs Ambrose - in a clunky outing that showed they are much better as a tandem than as opponents.
While Reigns has improved this year, I just can't invest fully into him in any way - and I don't think this will change; not his fault, it just is what it is.
A forced celebration, a lone wolf standing tall until the bloke that killed a joke dead earlier on tears pages out of the 'Ways To Successfully Cash-In On A Babyface Wrestler' handbook (written by Edge a decade ago or so) reminds us that he's big and tough and opportunistic.
Oh, and a Triple H guy.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Nov 23, 2015 8:36:41 GMT -5
I thought the PPV was really bad. Not only did the matches suffer by being predictable and from a complete lack of drama, the wrestlers themselves seemed to lack any type of chemistry.
Reigns and Del Rio was a bad match. Everybody knew Reigns was winning. They had no chemistry. It was just like, wait for Roman to spear and it's over.
Ambrose vs. Owens was ok, but again, you knew Ambrose was winning.
The Divas match was way too long and the finish was weak. Based on ring position alone, the ref shouldn't even have allowed it (kayfabe).
The traditional Survivor Series match was pointless.
Breeze and Ziggler was just ok.
Undertaker and Kane basically massacred the Wyatt Family. Pretty much a squash. Bray Wyatt really needs to win his next program because his character talks a big game but always ends up losing.
The main event, again, was dull and Reigns and Ambrose had no chemistry and it just sort of ended on a spear that didn't even seem like it would end it. Then the whole Sheamus deal.
I'd like to think that the PPV was this bad because WWE had to scramble after Rollins injury....but listen to any "insider" and they'll tell you that this was the plan all along. Reigns beating Rollins and then the Sheamus cash in.
WWE is really bad right now and I don't know how they should fix it. That PPV seemed like more of a chore to sit through than anything.
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Post by June on Nov 23, 2015 8:41:05 GMT -5
I guess Vince is still writing Romans promos if yesterday's awful "tonight it ain't about hugs and love" comment is not enough proof, then Romans HBK-esque post match dollar store emotion seals it. Reigns could be great, but he won't be until they allow him to himself.
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Post by tiny04 on Nov 23, 2015 9:40:40 GMT -5
Ambrose vs Owens was good. Everything else was just there. Main event was anti-climatic.
I thought I didn't want a Sheamus cash in but as soon as Roman won the title I surprisingly came around to the idea. Not the best option but I still prefer Sheamus over Reigns.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 23, 2015 9:55:25 GMT -5
Just because once in a while, A "Lets go Roman""Roman sucks" pops up, he is on par with Cena? Do me a favor, Go watch a few shows from 2005, Cena's 3rd year with the company, When he was in a similar position Reigns is in at the moment. Watch how the crowd reacted towards Cena and then come back and tell me that Roman Reigns is "over". I don't need to rewatch anything. Honestly, if you think that Reigns is as over as Cena was in his early stages, then you probably do need to rewatch things. He's getting the 50/50 Cena pop that didn't start for Cena until a few years in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 9:59:09 GMT -5
I don't need to rewatch anything. Honestly, if you think that Reigns is as over as Cena was in his early stages, then you probably do need to rewatch things. He's getting the 50/50 Cena pop that didn't start for Cena until a few years in. I never said roman is over as cena was in his earlier years.I was talking about cenas reaction today not 2005.Were the crowd is 50/50 on cena just like the crowd is 50/50 on reigns.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 23, 2015 10:02:24 GMT -5
Honestly, if you think that Reigns is as over as Cena was in his early stages, then you probably do need to rewatch things. He's getting the 50/50 Cena pop that didn't start for Cena until a few years in. I never said roman is over as cena was in his earlier years.I was talking about cenas reaction today not 2005.Were the crowd is 50/50 on cena just like the crowd is 50/50 on reigns. Agreed. However, what people were responding to you with when you said that, was that this early into Roman's run, the 50/50 crowd is not good. That makes it different than Cena's situation. It came off seeming like you didn't care to hear that, which is why some may have said it sounded ignorant.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 10:12:52 GMT -5
I never said roman is over as cena was in his earlier years.I was talking about cenas reaction today not 2005.Were the crowd is 50/50 on cena just like the crowd is 50/50 on reigns. Agreed. However, what people were responding to you with when you said that, was that this early into Roman's run, the 50/50 crowd is not good. That makes it different than Cena's situation. It came off seeming like you didn't care to hear that, which is why some may have said it sounded ignorant. I wasnt trying to sound ignorant however at the same time I don't need anyone telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when it's a matter of opinion vs opinion because that's more ignorant.
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