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Post by A-Rob on Nov 23, 2015 0:03:20 GMT -5
WWE Creative is a bunch of idiots. Shame they are wasting Jimmy Jacobs. |
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Post by Planktung on Nov 23, 2015 0:04:32 GMT -5
What's more appealing? A couple of over babyfaces (John Cena and Dean Ambrose) chasing the newly crowned and fresh heel champion (Roman Reigns) or a babyface who can't get over (Roman Reigns) chasing the heel champion who has never been over (Sheamus.) There's your short term. Not to mention, babyface Rollins vs. heel Reigns when he returns. There's your long term. IMO roman is an over babyface he gets Cena chants half the crowd likes him and half of them don't. That's not the kind of reaction that the next top babyface should be receiving, though. When Cena was in Reigns' current position, he was an over babyface who majority of people were in favor of. It's not a good thing that Reigns is so early into his run as the company's poster child and so many people dislike him. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 0:13:33 GMT -5
IMO roman is an over babyface he gets Cena chants half the crowd likes him and half of them don't. That's not the kind of reaction that the next top babyface should be receiving, though. When Cena was in Reigns' current position, he was an over babyface who majority of people were in favor of. It's not a good thing that Reigns is so early into his run as the company's poster child and so many people dislike him. But I don't think Roman himself is the reason he was being booed it was more of people thinking he was being forced and rushed.But this time around after everything that just happened tonight it wouldn't be forced because now he has a story and a reason to at least get behind him. |
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Post by Rob on Nov 23, 2015 0:16:05 GMT -5
What's more appealing? A couple of over babyfaces (John Cena and Dean Ambrose) chasing the newly crowned and fresh heel champion (Roman Reigns) or a babyface who can't get over (Roman Reigns) chasing the heel champion who has never been over (Sheamus.) There's your short term. Not to mention, babyface Rollins vs. heel Reigns when he returns. There's your long term. IMO roman is an over babyface he gets Cena chants half the crowd likes him and half of them don't. Just because once in a while, A "Lets go Roman""Roman sucks" pops up, he is on par with Cena? Do me a favor, Go watch a few shows from 2005, Cena's 3rd year with the company, When he was in a similar position Reigns is in at the moment. Watch how the crowd reacted towards Cena and then come back and tell me that Roman Reigns is "over". |
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Post by Chip on Nov 23, 2015 0:17:05 GMT -5
has anyone talked about how utterly anti-climactic and stupid the ending to Ambrose/Reigns was? like you have a match building a story of 2 friends who know each other so well they are going back and forth back and forth hitting each other with everything. then Reigns just spears him and wins? like what the  ? and then you spend ALL this time forcing a guy down our throat, building him as the greatest superstar in history, making him an unstoppable monster, humbling him by having him get his ass beat by Lesnar, winning 95% of his matches in a calendar year but he loses the title in 30 seconds to 2 brogue kicks after really not even getting beat up too bad in the match itself? it's completely stupid. You have Reigns win it. tomorrow on RAW he cuts his stupid promo about how he always dreamed of this moment. brings out Ambrose who says he wants another shot....H's comes out and says Ambrose needs to earn it, blah blah...Ambrose gets a rematch at TLC in a TLC match to which they beat the crap out of each other....THEN you have Sheamus cash in at the end and win as the new authority golden boy. it gives Roman a month with the belt, they could throw a few matches in just for fun. it lets the story of Roman vs Authority build up, they could have even teased Ambrose siding with H's (have them do some kind of shady stuff where Roman THINKS Ambrose is in the pocket of H's) and at the PPV after Reignswinslol, Ambrose could have tried to help him from Sheamus cashing it but Trips takes out Ambrose...kind of like a 2-man thing Then you could build to Sheamus vs Roman at Wrestlemania, Trips vs Ambrose (with Ambrose taking over Bryan's anti-authority role) and let Reigns get his big Wrestlemania moment that he didn't get last year. BAM I just came up with the next 4 months of WWE storytelling. but instead it's just oh have sheamus cash in right now, because everyone is gonna feel sorry for Roman so they'll love him. and the rest is just meh. this is what you get when you have an entire crew of utterly incompetent people who have zero ing cares about booking a wrestling promotion and just want to create "moments" they can put in highlight videos. What a ing slap in the face tonight's show was. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 0:21:33 GMT -5
IMO roman is an over babyface he gets Cena chants half the crowd likes him and half of them don't. Just because once in a while, A "Lets go Roman""Roman sucks" pops up, he is on par with Cena? Do me a favor, Go watch a few shows from 2005, Cena's 3rd year with the company, When he was in a similar position Reigns is in at the moment. Watch how the crowd reacted towards Cena and then come back and tell me that Roman Reigns is "over". I don't need to rewatch anything. |
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Post by TurboEddie on Nov 23, 2015 0:22:32 GMT -5
One of the weakest Survivor Series ever. Felt like a good Raw.
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Post by attitudesback on Nov 23, 2015 0:26:11 GMT -5
Reigns had to shake Hunter's hand. It's just baffling. Did Vince and the writers think that garbage was actually worth putting out to those people, who were there tonight despite reports of terror attacks?!! I don't even care for Raw tomorrow night. Sheamus vs Reigns is literally the worst WHC feud they could've done.
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Post by Planktung on Nov 23, 2015 0:26:44 GMT -5
That's not the kind of reaction that the next top babyface should be receiving, though. When Cena was in Reigns' current position, he was an over babyface who majority of people were in favor of. It's not a good thing that Reigns is so early into his run as the company's poster child and so many people dislike him. But I don't think Roman himself is the reason he was being booed it was more of people thinking he was being forced and rushed.But this time around after everything that just happened tonight it wouldn't be forced because now he has a story and a reason to at least get behind him. The thing is that even after tonight, Roman Reigns' push is still forced. WWE blatantly tried to copy and paste Reigns and Sheamus into the Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton roles from SummerSlam 2013. Their mentality is that if they do with Reigns what they did with Bryan, he can get over in the same manner. That's not how it works, though. Bryan was a true underdog in both the show and real life. He didn't have the company behind him and without the overwhelming support of the audience, he wouldn't have reached the heights that he did. Reigns has everything that Bryan didn't, including the "machine" backing him. This is an attempt to manufacture a carbon copy of something that was organic. I don't have a reason to get behind him because I know that my voice will have no impact on the product. Whether I boo or cheer Reigns, he's going to be the top star. Reigns is never going to get over the way WWE wants him to if they continuously force feed him to the viewers. |
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Post by Joey Cush on Nov 23, 2015 0:26:46 GMT -5
Just because once in a while, A "Lets go Roman""Roman sucks" pops up, he is on par with Cena? Do me a favor, Go watch a few shows from 2005, Cena's 3rd year with the company, When he was in a similar position Reigns is in at the moment. Watch how the crowd reacted towards Cena and then come back and tell me that Roman Reigns is "over". I don't need to rewatch anything. Its hard to take anything you say seriously when you have no idea what youre talking about. Cena has been on top for over 10 years, thats why he gets the reactions he does. Reigns hasnt even touched the surface on what the WWE wants out of him and the crowds show they arent all in favor. Cena and Reigns are incomparable at this stage. |
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Post by Weemanv1 on Nov 23, 2015 0:31:32 GMT -5
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Post by Rob on Nov 23, 2015 0:32:28 GMT -5
has anyone talked about how utterly anti-climactic and stupid the ending to Ambrose/Reigns was? like you have a match building a story of 2 friends who know each other so well they are going back and forth back and forth hitting each other with everything. then Reigns just spears him and wins? like what the ? and then you spend ALL this time forcing a guy down our throat, building him as the greatest superstar in history, making him an unstoppable monster, humbling him by having him get his ass beat by Lesnar, winning 95% of his matches in a calendar year but he loses the title in 2 minutes to 2 brogue kicks? it's completely stupid. You have Reigns win it. tomorrow on RAW he cuts his stupid promo about how he always dreamed of this moment. brings out Ambrose who says he wants another shot....H's comes out and says Ambrose needs to earn it, blah blah...Ambrose gets a rematch at TLC in a TLC match to which they beat the crap out of each other....THEN you have Sheamus cash in at the end and win as the new authority golden boy. it gives Roman a month with the belt, they could throw a few matches in just for fun. it lets the story of Roman vs Authority build up, they could have even teased Ambrose siding with H's (have them do some kind of shady stuff where Roman THINKS Ambrose is in the pocket of H's) and at the PPV after Reignswinslol, Ambrose could have tried to help him from Sheamus cashing it but Trips takes out Ambrose...kind of like a 2-man thing Then you could build to Sheamus vs Roman at Wrestlemania, Trips vs Ambrose (with Ambrose taking over Bryan's anti-authority role) and let Reigns get his big Wrestlemania moment that he didn't get last year. BAM I just came up with the next 4 months of WWE storytelling. but instead it's just oh have sheamus cash in right now, because everyone is gonna feel sorry for Roman so they'll love him. and the rest is just meh. this is what you get when you have an entire crew of utterly incompetent people who have zero ing cares about booking a wrestling promotion and just want to create "moments" they can put in highlight videos. What a ing slap in the face tonight's show was. Only highlight reel that last 15 mins is going in is the "How to completely up everything up" special. - Ambrose looks like a huge ing chump during and after the match. - Roman Reigns is officially a WWE Champion, They wasted a "newly crowned WWE champion" on this segment. Now fans wont give a , or should i say give anymore of a when he finally wins it again. The first win is always the most special and memorable. So they wasted that. - We have a guy who was losing to Kalisto a few weeks ago on the low midcard as WWE champion now. During a time were ratings are at an all time low, Excellent booking move WWE, You made your WWE title, The title so many all time greats never got to sniff, look like a joke. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 0:34:28 GMT -5
I don't need to rewatch anything. Its hard to take anything you say seriously when you have no idea what youre talking about. Cena has been on top for over 10 years, thats why he gets the reactions he does. Reigns hasnt even touched the surface on what the WWE wants out of him and the crowds show they arent all in favor. Cena and Reigns are incomparable at this stage. Oh so now I don't know what I'm talking about? .Everything I said was based on my opinion alone I wasn't throwing facts out there but whatever keep telling me I'm wrong and whatever I'll still stay behind what I think. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 0:37:40 GMT -5
But I don't think Roman himself is the reason he was being booed it was more of people thinking he was being forced and rushed.But this time around after everything that just happened tonight it wouldn't be forced because now he has a story and a reason to at least get behind him. The thing is that even after tonight, Roman Reigns' push is still forced. WWE blatantly tried to copy and paste Reigns and Sheamus into the Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton roles from SummerSlam 2013. Their mentality is that if they do with Reigns what they did with Bryan, he can get over in the same manner. That's not how it works, though. Bryan was a true underdog in both the show and real life. He didn't have the company behind him and without the overwhelming support of the audience, he wouldn't have reached the heights that he did. Reigns has everything that Bryan didn't, including the "machine" backing him. This is an attempt to manufacture a carbon copy of something that was organic. I don't have a reason to get behind him because I know that my voice will have no impact on the product. Whether I boo or cheer Reigns, he's going to be the top star. Reigns is never going to get over the way WWE wants him to if they continuously force feed him to the viewers. But IMO I don't see it that way for this time around.He Had the opportunity to get things handed towards him but he didn't.He wants to prove to everyone that he deserves his spot and for me I can at least get behind him for that. |
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Post by Rob on Nov 23, 2015 0:39:41 GMT -5
The thing is that even after tonight, Roman Reigns' push is still forced. WWE blatantly tried to copy and paste Reigns and Sheamus into the Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton roles from SummerSlam 2013. Their mentality is that if they do with Reigns what they did with Bryan, he can get over in the same manner. That's not how it works, though. Bryan was a true underdog in both the show and real life. He didn't have the company behind him and without the overwhelming support of the audience, he wouldn't have reached the heights that he did. Reigns has everything that Bryan didn't, including the "machine" backing him. This is an attempt to manufacture a carbon copy of something that was organic. I don't have a reason to get behind him because I know that my voice will have no impact on the product. Whether I boo or cheer Reigns, he's going to be the top star. Reigns is never going to get over the way WWE wants him to if they continuously force feed him to the viewers. But IMO I don't see it that way for this time around.He Had the opportunity to get things handed towards him but he didn't.He wants to prove to everyone that he deserves his spot and for me I can at least get behind him for that. It all makes sense now.  |
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Post by deskjet on Nov 23, 2015 0:40:50 GMT -5
This had such potential for reigns to be heel.
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Post by Joey Cush on Nov 23, 2015 0:41:22 GMT -5
Its hard to take anything you say seriously when you have no idea what youre talking about. Cena has been on top for over 10 years, thats why he gets the reactions he does. Reigns hasnt even touched the surface on what the WWE wants out of him and the crowds show they arent all in favor. Cena and Reigns are incomparable at this stage. Oh so now I don't know what I'm talking about? .Everything I said was based on my opinion alone I wasn't throwing facts out there but whatever keep telling me I'm wrong and whatever I'll still stay behind what I think. You made a statement that Reigns is like Cena that they both get the 50/50 reactions. So seeing that multiple people explained why its completely different scenarios, its shows a flaw in that thinking. Im sure other people see it the same way as you do, but like I said its flawed. Then somebody offers you an example of real Cena/Reigns comparison, you answer in an ignorant manner. So like I said, you have literally no idea what the comparisons to Cena/Reigns really are. Reigns isnt even on Cenas level, nor ever will be at this going rate. Im not looking to get into this any further. |
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Post by Planktung on Nov 23, 2015 0:42:51 GMT -5
The thing is that even after tonight, Roman Reigns' push is still forced. WWE blatantly tried to copy and paste Reigns and Sheamus into the Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton roles from SummerSlam 2013. Their mentality is that if they do with Reigns what they did with Bryan, he can get over in the same manner. That's not how it works, though. Bryan was a true underdog in both the show and real life. He didn't have the company behind him and without the overwhelming support of the audience, he wouldn't have reached the heights that he did. Reigns has everything that Bryan didn't, including the "machine" backing him. This is an attempt to manufacture a carbon copy of something that was organic. I don't have a reason to get behind him because I know that my voice will have no impact on the product. Whether I boo or cheer Reigns, he's going to be the top star. Reigns is never going to get over the way WWE wants him to if they continuously force feed him to the viewers. But IMO I don't see it that way for this time around.He Had the opportunity to get things handed towards him but he didn't.He wants to prove to everyone that he deserves his spot and for me I can at least get behind him for that. I can't get behind a story like this when I know what lies underneath everything. Sure, Roman Reigns the character has struggled to reach the top, but not so much the person. I'm not saying he's never struggled, but let's be real about this. Reigns has had the support of the company since the day he walked into FCW. This isn't the underdog story that WWE wants us to buy into. Trying to make Reigns into a Daniel Bryan-esque character is quite honestly ing pathetic. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 0:43:57 GMT -5
But IMO I don't see it that way for this time around.He Had the opportunity to get things handed towards him but he didn't.He wants to prove to everyone that he deserves his spot and for me I can at least get behind him for that. It all makes sense now. Really? Was he not in the ring with HHH when HHH asked him to join the authority and he said no?.I'm not allowed to use a kayfabe storyline to state my opinion on things? Or is it still real to me?.Whatever I'm done with this discussion .It is what it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 0:49:26 GMT -5
Oh so now I don't know what I'm talking about? .Everything I said was based on my opinion alone I wasn't throwing facts out there but whatever keep telling me I'm wrong and whatever I'll still stay behind what I think. You made a statement that Reigns is like Cena that they both get the 50/50 reactions. So seeing that multiple people explained why its completely different scenarios, its shows a flaw in that thinking. Im sure other people see it the same way as you do, but like I said its flawed. Then somebody offers you an example of real Cena/Reigns comparison, you answer in an ignorant manner. So like I said, you have literally no idea what the comparisons to Cena/Reigns really are. Reigns isnt even on Cenas level, nor ever will be at this going rate. Im not looking to get into this any further. I didn't respond to anything in a ignorant manner but I'm done talking about this because it's not going anywhere. |
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