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Post by ThugSuperstar on Dec 15, 2015 0:16:10 GMT -5
They will always be around. They're not going anywhere. Not because of none champion. You guys aren't getting it. This isn't because of Roman Reigns; this is just the tip of the iceberg. They don't have any idea how to create stars, the creative team is abysmal and the business philosophy has reverted back to where things were in the 1980s. They aren't built to survive unless they change. |
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Post by IRS on Dec 15, 2015 0:17:16 GMT -5
I'm going from if they were on the mania card R-Truth counts on the "most consistent wrestler since Wrestlemania 31" guideline but Kevin Owens does not. Gotcha.. To be fair to Truth, I'd say he's been more consistently entertaining than Reigns since WM31. |
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Post by marino13 on Dec 15, 2015 0:17:54 GMT -5
Big difference. Would you read a film critic's review if he admitted he didn't watch the movie? Would you listen to a sportscaster if they weren't watching the game? If that film they reviewed was the exact same movie that's already been released multiple times before in the past, then of course. So you're just a follower? You don't make decision on your own, you let others do it for you. Good to know. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 15, 2015 0:18:05 GMT -5
WWE to all the people who say they aren't watching anymore....   Not sure how this opinion still gets thrown about when it's quite clear that viewers ARE turning off. Expect the 2016 figure on that graph to be close to 1997. And they're still on TV......anymore graphs? |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 15, 2015 0:18:35 GMT -5
I think I'm gonna take a break from watching Raw live. And no, it's not because Reigns is champion.
I haven't been enjoying the product for weeks for the most part. Even when people find things they like (the close of TLC, tonight's Raw, etc) I haven't. I'm not saying I'm never watching again either, so no need for "LOL you'll be back, they always are" comments.
Taking a break and just checking out highlights mostly will hopefully make things better.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Dec 15, 2015 0:20:25 GMT -5
Not sure how this opinion still gets thrown about when it's quite clear that viewers ARE turning off. Expect the 2016 figure on that graph to be close to 1997. And they're still on TV......anymore graphs? Huh? So your proof that people aren't turning off is that WWE is still on TV? I can see you aren't setting the bar too high here. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 15, 2015 0:22:26 GMT -5
And they're still on TV......anymore graphs? Huh? So your proof that people aren't turning off is that WWE is still on TV? I can see you aren't setting the bar too high here. I'm actually not setting the bar high....its a professional wrestling show and the fact that it eats people up is awful. |
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Post by cmiller79 on Dec 15, 2015 0:23:08 GMT -5
So who wins the rumble cena or brock??
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Post by cmiller79 on Dec 15, 2015 0:23:42 GMT -5
R-Truth counts on the "most consistent wrestler since Wrestlemania 31" guideline but Kevin Owens does not. Gotcha.. To be fair to Truth, I'd say he's been more consistently entertaining than Reigns since WM31. when he randomly comes out and cuts a promo its hilarious |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 0:23:59 GMT -5
They're not going anywhere. Not because of none champion. You guys aren't getting it. This isn't because of Roman Reigns; this is just the tip of the iceberg. They don't have any idea how to create stars, the creative team is abysmal and the business philosophy has reverted back to where things were in the 1980s. They aren't built to survive unless they change. Wrestling was huge in the 1980s. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 0:24:31 GMT -5
I think I'm gonna take a break from watching Raw live. And no, it's not because Reigns is champion. I haven't been enjoying the product for weeks for the most part. Even when people find things they like (the close of TLC, tonight's Raw, etc) I haven't. I'm not saying I'm never watching again either, so no need for "LOL you'll be back, they always are" comments. Taking a break and just checking out highlights mostly will hopefully make things better. I stopped watching RAW live almost a year ago, just watching the highlights on youtube and reading thru the thread while RAW is live has made the product more enjoyable to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 0:25:20 GMT -5
So who wins the rumble cena or brock?? I'd prefer it be Brock. I could get behind another slug fest. I'd rather not see Cena work with either of them though. I'm honestly leaning towards cena and taker working together and I don't care for either of them. |
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Post by cmiller79 on Dec 15, 2015 0:25:39 GMT -5
That extra month of programming just happened to be a low point in WWE history, according to ratings and social media. Most of the board has been heavily against Roman's babyface rise since the Rumble win last year, and justifiably so. Until last night, there was no indication he would ever get over as a babyface headliner. He was regressing on the microphone, and was responsible for some of the worst segments of Raw in years. With all that being said, putting the title on him tonight was the right move in context. Simply put, there are no good choices. They stubbornly backed themselves into this corner and we're in too deep to get out of it. Doing the title change on Raw was a hotshot, for sure, but it indicates that Vince had a genuine concern about the ratings as of late, which is important. I very strongly dislike Roman Reigns as a babyface character. I think he's unnatural, condescending, uninteresting and unengaging as a character. I've yet to see a single indication that he has the ability to improve upon that,and therefore, I don't see myself ever getting behind him in this role. With all of that being said, I think he displays the potential to be one of the best heels in years. I wish they were going in that direction, but, it is what it is. Sums up my feelings to a T. I have no reason to like Roman Reigns as a face. Frankly, he acts like a cocky prick. there is way more money in roman as a heel |
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Dec 15, 2015 0:26:38 GMT -5
Huh? So your proof that people aren't turning off is that WWE is still on TV? I can see you aren't setting the bar too high here. I'm actually not setting the bar high....its a professional wrestling show and the fact that it eats people up is awful. It doesn't eat people up. I'm here on a professional wrestling forum to talk about professional wrestling.  |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 15, 2015 0:26:56 GMT -5
The way WWE stresses some people out I'd hate to see what they act like when they get a penalty for a late bill payment or have to work late.
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Post by SodaGuy on Dec 15, 2015 0:27:55 GMT -5
People on a wrestling forum are voicing their disappointment and frustrations with the product? Next you'll tell me people complain about glitches, bugs, and broken video games on video game forums!
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Dec 15, 2015 0:28:27 GMT -5
If that film they reviewed was the exact same movie that's already been released multiple times before in the past, then of course. So you're just a follower? You don't make decision on your own, you let others do it for you. Good to know. Like Punk said..."I've already seen that television show before and I know how it ends." Why do I want to watch the same thing over and over again if it wasn't entertaining to me the first time I saw it? |
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Dec 15, 2015 0:29:45 GMT -5
You guys aren't getting it. This isn't because of Roman Reigns; this is just the tip of the iceberg. They don't have any idea how to create stars, the creative team is abysmal and the business philosophy has reverted back to where things were in the 1980s. They aren't built to survive unless they change. Wrestling was huge in the 1980s. Yeah, that's not my point at all. You can't create stars in 2015 the same way you did in 1980, despite what Vince thinks. |
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Post by IRS on Dec 15, 2015 0:29:54 GMT -5
People on a wrestling forum are voicing their disappointment and frustrations with the product? Next you'll tell me people complain about glitches, bugs, and broken video games on video game forums! What a bunch of dorks! |
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Dec 15, 2015 0:29:56 GMT -5
People on a wrestling forum are voicing their disappointment and frustrations with the product? Next you'll tell me people complain about glitches, bugs, and broken video games on video game forums! I'm convinced he's just trolling. Nobody could be that stupid. |
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