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Post by FFK on Jan 1, 2016 23:47:40 GMT -5
Since it seems like the horsemen 4 pack seems to be shelf warming and it's likely that after their initial stocking of the Heenan family, they'll shelf warm as well. Maybe Mattel could do elite HOF 2 packs instead of the 4 packs. What's everyone's thoughts?
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Post by scoobypat on Jan 1, 2016 23:53:40 GMT -5
Horsemen is shelf warming because it's too niche. I love it, everyone here loves it, but outside of older fans and collectors it has very little connectivity to younger generations, casual fans, and current audience members. 4 packs need to either be house hold names or from an era not to by-gone.
If you're gonna go pre-Attitude Era it has to be the heavy hitters like Hogan, Warrior, Andre, etc.
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Post by qdogg on Jan 2, 2016 0:03:36 GMT -5
The 4 pack can work but the selections need to be right for it to work. I'm more in favor of 3 packs with accessories for 50 bucks really
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jan 2, 2016 0:04:25 GMT -5
I'll take elite flashbacks any way I can get em
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Post by Mark Martin on Jan 2, 2016 0:21:05 GMT -5
Yeah it depends a lot on who the figures are. But being mainly a flashback collector Elite 4 or 2 packs are quite alright by me.
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Post by Al_Snow_MotherF***ers on Jan 2, 2016 0:38:10 GMT -5
I'd rather have defining moments two pack
Like a two packages wrestlemania 24 idea
Edge vs undertaker includes camera hat glasses or wrestlemania 22 shawn vs McMahon includes trash can ladder and table
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Post by FFK on Jan 2, 2016 0:48:50 GMT -5
I love the 4 packs too but with the price point and eventually will run out of 4 pack ideas since it's only people that are in the HOF. I really like the defining moment 2 pack idea.
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Post by kennyw86 on Jan 2, 2016 0:55:33 GMT -5
I said it would warm, and people here jumped me. But i was right.
But yeah, it needs to be bigger names and nore current guys.
Dx would sell. Nwo would sell IF it had hogan. Evolution would sell.
But the horsemen pack is like putting shawn michaels, the godwins, and tom brandy in a 4 pack and saying here guys buy this. Kids and casual fans would only know hbk, just like they only know flair.
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Post by tommyb on Jan 2, 2016 1:15:18 GMT -5
Everyone is really spot on there are so many issues as to why this isn't selling and the future of the line. Every target most of us go to they have dozens, here are my thoughts on the issues
#1 it's not an assortment and anything that has the same item in multiples in a case is naturally going to sit a little longer even the DM we see a lot of
#2 This deal is amazing for us as collectors and most hardcore collectors and fans, however for mom dad or grama buying this set for little Johnny they see the $50 price point and run not realizing its only $12.50 a figure
#3 This particular group just doesn't have the flare (pun intended) as someone mentioned most people may only know of flair at best in the set
#4 And this goes along with the last part most kids demo 7-13 don't have a clue who these guys are or enough to tell someone to buy it for them when non are km air personality
#5 This items price is a concern for target as well who has had this item on sale 4 different times, 44.87, black Friday for $30 and the the cart wheel app on cyber Monday for half off which came to under $25 depending which part of the country you are in $22-$25 and it still could not move them
There sell through rate on most wwe figures during the holiday is 95% meaning most items sell weather they are shelf sitters to us or not based on gifts, and this item is still there
I'm more concerned moving forward with this line that the Heenan family may be it due to the selling factor. I know we all want to get our hands on it but again it has most of the same problems as the horseman set, plus there is a manager in it. Yes it has a Andre which is a household name but again 25 plus years ago.
I love the sets like most of us do however I feel and agree with most of you they are probably going to have to retool the idea to make it work.
Someone mentioned the 2 pack elites and even if the price point was $30 I do agree they would have an easier time selling, I also feel if there case counts stayed at 4 but they had 2 different sets in them it may help a little just because it would give normal buyers an option however it does not solve the problems list above.Hope Everyone had a happy New Year and Cheers to 2016
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Post by One Punch Reigns on Jan 2, 2016 1:17:57 GMT -5
I would say it wouldn't warm as hard if only because of Heenan and Studd, and most people aren't willing to shell out retail for one figure alone (Though I could only be speaking for myself). Andre's the most common of the bunch, so this one I'd think would sell like hot cakes.
As for new ideas for 4 packs, why not have tag team rivalries or go with two packs of feuds or tag teams. Something like HBK and Diesel as a two pack, or Piper vs. Snuka (If he doesn't go the way of Hogan), perhaps Dude Love and Stone Cold?
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Post by tommyb on Jan 2, 2016 1:26:46 GMT -5
I would say it wouldn't warm as hard if only because of Heenan and Studd, and most people aren't willing to shell out retail for one figure alone (Though I could only be speaking for myself). Andre's the most common of the bunch, so this one I'd think would sell like hot cakes. As for new ideas for 4 packs, why not have tag team rivalries or go with two packs of feuds or tag teams. Something like HBK and Diesel as a two pack, or Piper vs. Snuka (If he doesn't go the way of Hogan), perhaps Dude Love and Stone Cold? I enjoy the idea of the tag team rivals or even HOF tag teams!! My thought on the next set of they did a third under the same model style it would be Fuji and Demolition, again for most of us we would just be buying Fuji but again it would run into the same problems we mentioned before and that's why I don't know if they can stick to this format. However if the did the kliq I think that could work no xpac |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 1:28:13 GMT -5
It's tough because kids aren't really going to know who 3 of the horsemen are. I see the heenan maybe selling a bit more because lower production id say
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Post by One Punch Reigns on Jan 2, 2016 1:30:24 GMT -5
They could do Elite versions of the blue LOD, remake the Bushwackers with white tank tops instead of black, have Mean Gene and Howard Finkel (Though that might be a similar problem to the Horsemen) or Gorilla Monsoon and Heenan in black, NWA Dusty Rhodes and Flair, Cactus Jack and Chainsaw Charlie, I could name a few more.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jan 2, 2016 2:20:54 GMT -5
I think they should make 2 sets of two figures. For example, one set of Shawn Michaels & Diesel, and one set of Randy Savage & Ultimate Warrior. This would split the price point in half but still produce four figures.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 3:02:44 GMT -5
The idea of the 4 pack doesn't have to be a hall of fame set
Like debut Rock was just a target exclusive, so that being said can we get an evolution 4 pack as a target exclusive? I'm sure that'll sell much better.
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Post by bdzman26 on Jan 2, 2016 7:53:12 GMT -5
I think they should make 2 sets of two figures. For example, one set of Shawn Michaels & Diesel, and one set of Randy Savage & Ultimate Warrior. This would split the price point in half but still produce four figures. Genius. A lot more 2-pack options than 4-pack. Could be classic matches, tag-teams, rivalries, manager and wrestler, etc. great idea. |
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Post by micco on Jan 2, 2016 9:03:10 GMT -5
Generally, if a guy is in the hall of fame, they aren't all that current. Therefore, they probably won't appeal to the younger audience. There are a couple of exceptions but not enough to put 4 in a set (or even 3/4) and crank out too many more sets. I'll buy any and all they put out but I'm not a part of that younger audience. With a 2-pack, if they included at least one of those hall of famers that appeals to the younger audience they might be giving themselves a better shot at them selling better because if I were a kid and saw a two pack with one guy I've heard of and like, and one I've never heard, there's a better chance of me buying it than if it's a four pack with three unknowns and one guy I know of.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 9:20:45 GMT -5
The heenan set will warm so much longer than the horsemen.
You have to be out of your mind if you think john studd is going to make a difference.
Though every store has tons of the horsemen, my local targets have restocked it at least 3 times and it just seems theyre unloading the last of them onto the shelves.
I'd say the set has done well and when theyre all clearanced, they'll still rake in the cash on them.
The hof line seems to be more aimed towards collectors and diehard fans.
In the long run, they just need to limit production.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 11:12:46 GMT -5
I agree
There's group A flashbacks that will always sell eventually ; hbk, hogan, warrior, taker, savage, Andre, Kane, jake Roberts , flair
Group b flashbacks that will sell to the casual and hardcore collector but not as well as group a; , mr perfect, honky Tonk man, papa shango, iron sheik, Rick rude
Then group c which may move after some time but will warm shelves, junkyard dog, Bruno sammartino,
With group b and c it is difficult enough I imagine to sell them on their own at $20 each, and both four packs have mostly group b and c wrestlers. Honestly how many casual collectors are gonna be stoked on Barry windham, tully Blanchard, big John, Heenan.... If a casual collector seen those sets and only wanted flair and Andre, there's no way they would just drop $50 for one guy they wanted
Honestly I think the four packs are awesome but I think they would have more success with two 2 packs instead . I'm glad Mattel listened to us on the heenan family four pack as well but I think it's pretty limited to where it can go now
A champions four pack would be pretty cool tho, I'd really like to see tag teams and grudge match 2 packs
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Post by BROKEN on Jan 2, 2016 11:19:58 GMT -5
It shouldn't always have to be factions
I would gladly pay 80 if all the figures had accessories
Even if they made Warrior, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Macho Man, those are 4 big names that would probably sell out quickly
All I ask from the line is that we get another elite edge in an approximate Unforgiven 06 Blue Attire
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