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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 26, 2016 14:54:04 GMT -5
I constantly repeat that his character makes no sense. Just look at the Rumble. What top babyface has ever been taken out of a match and "on his own power" walks to the back to catch a breather. The Rock was chokeslammed through a table in Royal Rumble 01, he stayed on the outside and came back in. Did they think the crowd would cheer Reigns for coming back out, after 20 minutes of being in the back? Something as stupid as that makes me hate the direction of Reigns. I thought Ambrose/Owens was great stuff and put on a great match on Sunday but come Monday, I DVR'd past the main event because I couldnt watch it, which is a shame because I couldnt even watch Ambrose. You hit the nail on the head with pulling every string possible to not get Reigns completely booed out the building. Put him with more over superstars, have Stephanie and Vince get so much heat only to be fuel for a Reigns promo/segment so he gets a reaction. A non stubborn promoter would be smart enough to realize if he isnt getting over on his own, then its just not working. The entire program is about Roman Reigns and so many guys are pulled back so they can have enough time for Monday Night Roman its pathetic. I was just about to share this in the Rumble thread, but I'll put it here since it's super pertinent to point you just made about Roman's booking/performance at the Rumble. Wade Keller, whom I believe is spot on with his analysis most of the time, had the following to say about the way Roman was handled in the Rumble match: I don't think the embarrassing nature with which they go about Roman each week can be put more succinctly than that. It's comical. It pretty much sums up the idiotic booking of Reigns in the Rumble. For a match that was 1 Vs all, Roman Reigns DEFENDING his title against 29 other superstars, he was barely involved in the match but was overbooked when he was. From Reigns being pulled under the ropes and Vince and co. cheering Reigns being beat down, when in reality all that was needed was for him to be thrown over, saving yourself all the trouble of a beatdown. To Reigns walking out on the match and for a few seconds actually sitting on the stretcher. And then being gone for half the match only to return all hyped up and barely, if any at all, selling of the beatdown that kept him out. Did they think Triple H returning would not garner a huge pop against Reigns? Is Vince that naive to think fans WANT Triple H to eliminate Reigns? But then on RAW, Triple H is back to being the corporate heel. I would like to issue a challenge to any member on this board to explain exactly what the WWE is trying to build Reigns as. Not including crowd reaction, just break down what they have in their minds the general idea that this guy is supposed to be because I cant figure it out. |
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Post by J12 on Jan 26, 2016 15:33:21 GMT -5
I was just about to share this in the Rumble thread, but I'll put it here since it's super pertinent to point you just made about Roman's booking/performance at the Rumble. Wade Keller, whom I believe is spot on with his analysis most of the time, had the following to say about the way Roman was handled in the Rumble match: I don't think the embarrassing nature with which they go about Roman each week can be put more succinctly than that. It's comical. It pretty much sums up the idiotic booking of Reigns in the Rumble. For a match that was 1 Vs all, Roman Reigns DEFENDING his title against 29 other superstars, he was barely involved in the match but was overbooked when he was. From Reigns being pulled under the ropes and Vince and co. cheering Reigns being beat down, when in reality all that was needed was for him to be thrown over, saving yourself all the trouble of a beatdown. To Reigns walking out on the match and for a few seconds actually sitting on the stretcher. And then being gone for half the match only to return all hyped up and barely, if any at all, selling of the beatdown that kept him out. Did they think Triple H returning would not garner a huge pop against Reigns? Is Vince that naive to think fans WANT Triple H to eliminate Reigns? But then on RAW, Triple H is back to being the corporate heel. I would like to issue a challenge to any member on this board to explain exactly what the WWE is trying to build Reigns as. Not including crowd reaction, just break down what they have in their minds the general idea that this guy is supposed to be because I cant figure it out. I think, to some extent, Vince and company see any reaction at all as a step in the right direction. So, if Triple H gets a pop, it must be because they care about what he's doing, and what he's doing involves Roman Reigns. Using the same logic, a pop for Hunter is, by proxy, a pop for Vince and Steph, and they love having their egos stroked. It's entirely flawed logic. It makes absolutely no sense, but if I had to guess, that's how they'd explain it away. And honestly, even though Triple H was playing the corporate heel role on Raw, I still found him to be more sympathetic than Reigns. Triple H's "religion" promo was pushing into shoot territory. He was essentially reiterating all of the reasons why the hardcore audience doesn't like Roman Reigns (he appears to lack respect, he appears to have little interest in the business outside of getting rich, etc.) To me, Triple H was the total babyface there. He was defending his passion, his lifeblood, the thing he spent his entire life obsessing about, against a guy who has been handed everything and who exhibits little to no empathy. I left that segment, again, viewing Roman Reigns as the cowardly babyface who just can't win. |
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Post by AJ F'n Brooks on Jan 26, 2016 15:35:29 GMT -5
It's not just you. It's nauseating. Roman Reigns is so very clearly not working that it's gotten to the point where I'm starting to simply not care, and I think a lot of people feel the same way. I can only put so much energy into disliking a character and disagreeing with the direction they're going in before it all becomes white noise. Roman Reigns has crossed that threshold with me. He is white noise. The thing that bothers me most is the insistence on pairing him up with, or stealing the rub from other guys who are more over than he is. Dean Ambrose has consistently been used as the pawn to coerce the fans into cheering for Reigns. How hilariously stubborn and tone deaf is that? They have a guy who is better than Roman Reigns in nearly every department, who is the undisputed number one full time babyface in the company right now, and they're not oblivious to it. They know how he over he is, because they use them him to curtail Roman's boos. They used him to ensure that the audience didn't completely turn on the Royal Rumble match. They split them off for a little bit, and Roman started to falter again, so, look who is right back at his side. Dean Ambrose. They have somehow managed to make the John Cena saga seem like an underdog story. And we're way past the point of "patiently watching it play out." It's been playing out for over a year, and it's in the same spot it was last year. They had to pull the plug because it wasn't working at Mania 31, and now, a year later, it's no better. Except this time, they're not going to pull the plug, and WWE is going to be miserably embarrassed as the hostile Wrestlemania audience completely rejects and ruins their "big money" match. I had to stop reading when I got to the bolded part. If you didn't care and if he was white noise as you said he is in one of your others posts then you wouldn't be posting in basically every thread how much you dislike the guy, etc. That's basically all I see from you lately. You do care. You spend a hell of a time just talking about him. |
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Post by J12 on Jan 26, 2016 15:41:09 GMT -5
It's not just you. It's nauseating. Roman Reigns is so very clearly not working that it's gotten to the point where I'm starting to simply not care, and I think a lot of people feel the same way. I can only put so much energy into disliking a character and disagreeing with the direction they're going in before it all becomes white noise. Roman Reigns has crossed that threshold with me. He is white noise. The thing that bothers me most is the insistence on pairing him up with, or stealing the rub from other guys who are more over than he is. Dean Ambrose has consistently been used as the pawn to coerce the fans into cheering for Reigns. How hilariously stubborn and tone deaf is that? They have a guy who is better than Roman Reigns in nearly every department, who is the undisputed number one full time babyface in the company right now, and they're not oblivious to it. They know how he over he is, because they use them him to curtail Roman's boos. They used him to ensure that the audience didn't completely turn on the Royal Rumble match. They split them off for a little bit, and Roman started to falter again, so, look who is right back at his side. Dean Ambrose. They have somehow managed to make the John Cena saga seem like an underdog story. And we're way past the point of "patiently watching it play out." It's been playing out for over a year, and it's in the same spot it was last year. They had to pull the plug because it wasn't working at Mania 31, and now, a year later, it's no better. Except this time, they're not going to pull the plug, and WWE is going to be miserably embarrassed as the hostile Wrestlemania audience completely rejects and ruins their "big money" match. I had to stop reading when I got to the bolded part. If you didn't care and if he was white noise as you said he is in one of your others posts then you wouldn't be posting in basically every thread how much you dislike the guy, etc. That's basically all I see from you lately. You do care. You spend a hell of a time just talking about him. When I say I'm starting to not care, I'm saying that I'm beginning to tune out during his segments. Be it by playing on my phone when he's on, fast forwarding, whatever. It doesn't mean I'm aloof to his presence or uninterested in engaging in discussion about him, because if you're watching WWE right now, that's virtually unavoidable. It's the Roman Reigns show, so, like him or not, he's kind of a major talking point. The tide of conversation on the board tends to flow with the landscape of WWE, and right now, the landscape is Roman Reigns. And, as I've stated on multiple occasions, I don't even dislike Roman. I just think he's severely miscast. |
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Post by havoc7179 on Jan 26, 2016 15:41:57 GMT -5
I forgot to mention this moment. I can't remember the last time I have bought into a submission the way I did last night. The crowd exploded when AJ got to the ropes. Really cool. To follow up on that, I don't think I've ever found myself screaming at the top of my lungs for a wrestler not to tap. For all the live matches I've seen, I don't think I've been that invested in a match before. They told a beautiful story last night. |
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Post by J12 on Jan 26, 2016 15:44:21 GMT -5
I forgot to mention this moment. I can't remember the last time I have bought into a submission the way I did last night. The crowd exploded when AJ got to the ropes. Really cool. To follow up on that, I don't think I've ever found myself screaming at the top of my lungs for a wrestler not to tap. For all the live matches I've seen, I don't think I've been that invested in a match before. They told a beautiful story last night. I had a similar reaction when Jericho had AJ in the Walls. It was refreshing to be so invested, and it wasn't even necessarily because the match was that good, or that it meant anything. It was just so incredibly fresh, and carried the "dream match" circumstances for a lot of people. Had to be a very cool moment to be a part of live. |
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Post by AJ F'n Brooks on Jan 26, 2016 16:14:58 GMT -5
When I say I'm starting to not care, I'm saying that I'm beginning to tune out during his segments. Be it by playing on my phone when he's on, fast forwarding, whatever. It doesn't mean I'm aloof to his presence or uninterested in engaging in discussion about him, because if you're watching WWE right now, that's virtually unavoidable. It's the Roman Reigns show, so, like him or not, he's kind of a major talking point. The tide of conversation on the board tends to flow with the landscape of WWE, and right now, the landscape is Roman Reigns. And, as I've stated on multiple occasions, I don't even dislike Roman. I just think he's severely miscast. Still doesn't make sense to me. If you didn't care and if you're tuning out during his segments then you wouldn't be nitpicking everything the guy does/everything WWE does with him. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 26, 2016 16:19:42 GMT -5
I had to stop reading when I got to the bolded part. If you didn't care and if he was white noise as you said he is in one of your others posts then you wouldn't be posting in basically every thread how much you dislike the guy, etc. That's basically all I see from you lately. You do care. You spend a hell of a time just talking about him. When I say I'm starting to not care, I'm saying that I'm beginning to tune out during his segments. Be it by playing on my phone when he's on, fast forwarding, whatever. It doesn't mean I'm aloof to his presence or uninterested in engaging in discussion about him, because if you're watching WWE right now, that's virtually unavoidable. It's the Roman Reigns show, so, like him or not, he's kind of a major talking point. The tide of conversation on the board tends to flow with the landscape of WWE, and right now, the landscape is Roman Reigns. And, as I've stated on multiple occasions, I don't even dislike Roman. I just think he's severely miscast. Makes sense to me. |
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Post by charabro on Jan 26, 2016 16:25:44 GMT -5
 ing Rock comes back once a year just to humiliate half the roster |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 26, 2016 16:29:34 GMT -5
ing Rock comes back once a year just to humiliate half the roster In the past year, Brock has worked ten matches. That's more than his usual work. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 16:33:07 GMT -5
ing Rock comes back once a year just to humiliate half the roster In the past year, Brock has worked ten matches. That's more than his usual work. Rock, not Brock. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 26, 2016 16:39:41 GMT -5
In the past year, Brock has worked ten matches. That's more than his usual work. Rock, not Brock. Oh. Well disregard my last post. |
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Post by Rob on Jan 26, 2016 16:54:09 GMT -5
WWE's obsessive desire to make Roman Reigns THE guy is absolutely killing the product. We have already been through the Roman Reigns underdog story to the WWE title... twice. Him willing the title off Sheamus was his big pay off. They decided to blow that load on a Raw but its still a pay off non the less.
Then we get to Raw last night, The opening promo was HHH talking about how they dont want Reigns anywhere near the title blah blah blah, Then at the end of THAT SAME RAW, The same people that are so against Reigns, Gives him another chance to win the title. WTF? WWE wants Reigns to play the underdog chaser role AGAIN leading to WM. HHH isnt going to defend the title until then and we get another OBVIOUS match at Fastlane that tells you exactly what is going to happen MONTHS in advance. Why isnt HHH defending the title at Fastlane? Atleast give us some doubt until after Fastlane. The way they are laying it out right now is just dreadful and forced. WWE wants Reigns/HHH in the main event and they are not going to change it.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 27, 2016 0:43:22 GMT -5
WWE's obsessive desire to make Roman Reigns THE guy is absolutely killing the product. We have already been through the Roman Reigns underdog story to the WWE title... twice. Him willing the title off Sheamus was his big pay off. They decided to blow that load on a Raw but its still a pay off non the less. Then we get to Raw last night, The opening promo was HHH talking about how they dont want Reigns anywhere near the title blah blah blah, Then at the end of THAT SAME RAW, The same people that are so against Reigns, Gives him another chance to win the title. WTF? WWE wants Reigns to play the underdog chaser role AGAIN leading to WM. HHH isnt going to defend the title until then and we get another OBVIOUS match at Fastlane that tells you exactly what is going to happen MONTHS in advance. Why isnt HHH defending the title at Fastlane? Atleast give us some doubt until after Fastlane. The way they are laying it out right now is just dreadful and forced. WWE wants Reigns/HHH in the main event and they are not going to change it. This went SO over my head on Monday. They should have announced Ambrose Vs Lesnar for Fast Lane, to cause some riff in the "brotherhood" between Ambrose and Reigns. End RAW that way, with Reigns looking at Ambrose pissed off. Cliffhanger, woaah ! Following week, Reigns brings up his championship rematch clause and Stephanie agrees but Reigns will have to beat Ambrose tonight to get in the match but if Ambrose loses, he may or may not lose his spot in the match, so he better actually put up a fight. Reigns wins but Stephanie just announces the Triple Threat, to further the issue with Reigns/Ambrose. Just my backseat booking, but what do I know. |
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Post by WalterF on Jan 27, 2016 6:38:31 GMT -5
It doesn't make any sense for all of the reasons stated. I am just totally dumbfounded how they could see how wrong it is going, having to call audibles to save the rumble, having HHh call out in a shoot fashion all of the problems w reigns booking basically but then proceed to keep going in the same direction. I can understand last year or the year before even but by now someone has to realize that flat out pushing reigns to the moon just won't work. I have to believe thy have a plan b and they may need to use it AGAIN
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Post by marino13 on Jan 27, 2016 22:04:32 GMT -5
WWE really needs to bring in a face GM. Maybe one appointed by the board or some reasoning like that. Sorta like Foley used to be. That way we can have someone in charge that can even the playing field. Someone who can add guys like Roman & Dean into title matches so the McMahon's & Triple H can keep kayfabe as the heels.
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Post by attitudesback on Jan 28, 2016 18:11:18 GMT -5
No more title shots for you Roman!
Lol HBK was better Lol tiny balls lol *smirks*
DAMMIT ROMAN ILL GIVE YOU A SHOT!
Who thinks this is good tv?
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Post by IRS on Jan 29, 2016 0:51:06 GMT -5
No more title shots for you Roman! Lol HBK was better Lol tiny balls lol *smirks* DAMMIT ROMAN ILL GIVE YOU A SHOT! Who thinks this is good tv? Starts with 'V', ends with 'ince'. Finally finished RAW tonight. Hearing absolute silence during Reigns' entrance made me chuckle. I'm actually really excited to see what happens when he goes over Triple H at WM, because they're clearly pulling the trigger this time. On the bright side: AJ is over as hell, and actually had me emotionally invested in a RAW match for the first time in ages. |
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Post by Dan on Jan 29, 2016 1:55:22 GMT -5
One thing I will point out regarding Raw and AJ Styles, I wasn't fond at all of the way the commentary team approached his Match. They should be billing him as one of the Best in the World, to make unfamiliar viewers think he is a big deal. Instead they went down the same path they did with Daniel Bryan, by acting like he was just a kid who wrestled elsewhere but now has to start from the bottom up in WWE. Calling it as if they were surprised that he was just about managing to 'hang' with Jericho only undermined him in my opinion. If anything, it should have been the other way round, for example "Chris Jericho is a 6 time World Champion but he may have his work cut out for him here, he'll have to really raise his Game as I'm telling you Cole, AJ Styles has wrestled the World over and is one of the best pure athletes on the Planet, I can't wait for this one..."
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Post by Escape The Rules on Jan 30, 2016 3:15:41 GMT -5
Good Raw, really enjoyed it.
Loved the opening promo with the McMahons and HHH.
Jericho vs. Styles was fantastic.
I'll never not love seeing The Rock.
Though I could've done without the Flo Rida crap.
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