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Post by bigshab421 on Feb 23, 2016 8:51:48 GMT -5
Owens isn't big enough for Vince's liking This. Vince still likes his beefcake. I always thought of Vince more as a fruitcake kinda guy
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Post by The Future on Feb 23, 2016 9:27:30 GMT -5
This. Vince still likes his beefcake. I always thought of Vince more as a fruitcake kinda guy Really? I see him more into pound cake with vanilla frosting.
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Post by bigshab421 on Feb 23, 2016 9:29:01 GMT -5
I always thought of Vince more as a fruitcake kinda guy Really? I see him more into pound cake with vanilla frosting. You win sir
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Post by Escape The Rules on Feb 23, 2016 10:11:18 GMT -5
Watched Raw this morning, best episode in I don't know how long, absolutely incredible show. So great to see Shane O'Mac back again, him facing Taker inside HIAC at WrestleMania is a strange match up but I'm legit excited for it regardless.
The Lesnar/Ambrose stuff was fantastic, can't wait for their Street Fight.
The show closing angle with Triple H was superb. I got 2001 Raw vibes watching it.
I hope Raw next week can be this good or at least close to it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 11:11:25 GMT -5
Shane is gonna take an ass whoopin' for the company, just like his daddy does.
What's so hard to understand about this match?
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 23, 2016 11:15:01 GMT -5
This is the kind of Raw that I like. Things, for the most part, felt important. It wasn't about the quality of the match, it was about things moving forward. I'd rather watch Dean Ambrose do what he did today than wrestle Dolph Ziggler or someone in a meaningless two segment match. Overall, a better Raw than most weeks.
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Post by J12 on Feb 23, 2016 11:54:46 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, Shane being back is great and all, and I love the idea of having a babyface authority figure post-Wrestlemania, because we desperately need a change, but...
The match with Taker makes absolutely no sense, and once the excitement about Shane being back wears off, I think everyone is going to realize that and also realize that there's really no way this match works. The Undertaker is a babyface. He's a babyface even when he's a heel. To agree to do Mr. McMahon's bidding would fly in the face of everything his character stands for, unless he's going full on Ministry Taker. Plus, why would The Undertaker want to help Vince McMahon retain control of the company? Why would he care? And more importantly, why would he concern himself, and his Wrestlemania legacy, with Shane McMahon?
From Shane's perspective, why would he put this on the line? He already claimed he's in a position of power. Why give it all up in a match that he can't win?
Finally, what are the fans supposed to do? Boo The Undertaker? Or boo Shane McMahon? It's an impossible choice, given the circumstances.
It was a total hail mary, and I sincerely doubt it sticks. My guess is the landscape of the match changes entirely before Mania, and into a Lashley/Umaga scenario like Mania 23, with Taker possibly representing Shane instead.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 12:26:20 GMT -5
The match with Taker makes absolutely no sense, and once the excitement about Shane being back wears off, I think everyone is going to realize that and also realize that there's really no way this match works. The Undertaker is a babyface. He's a babyface even when he's a heel. To agree to do Mr. McMahon's bidding would fly in the face of everything his character stands for, unless he's going full on Ministry Taker. Plus, why would The Undertaker want to help Vince McMahon retain control of the company? Why would he care? And more importantly, why would he concern himself, and his Wrestlemania legacy, with Shane McMahon? From Shane's perspective, why would he put this on the line? He already claimed he's in a position of power. Why give it all up in a match that he can't win? Finally, what are the fans supposed to do? Boo The Undertaker? Or boo Shane McMahon? It's an impossible choice, given the circumstances. Wrestling doesn't have to always be good guy vs. bad guy. Prime example was Shawn/Taker and Hunter/Taker. Neither guy is going to be booed. They're going to kill each other, fans will cheer, one will win, they'll most likely get a standing ovation. Shane had financial power, but doesn't have what he wants and that's control of the company. That's why he's agreeing to face The Undertaker at WrestleMania... Kayfabe, the biggest challenge there is. It doesn't need to make sense and be about revenge, or anything. It's Vince stacking the odds against Shane. If they go through with this, Taker has always been a loner. Doesn't exactly pander to the crowd. He takes care of what he's dealt to protect his legacy. Which this year, will be destroying Shane McMahon inside Hell in a Cell.
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Post by J12 on Feb 23, 2016 12:31:38 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, Shane being back is great and all, and I love the idea of having a babyface authority figure post-Wrestlemania, because we desperately need a change, but... The match with Taker makes absolutely no sense, and once the excitement about Shane being back wears off, I think everyone is going to realize that and also realize that there's really no way this match works. The Undertaker is a babyface. He's a babyface even when he's a heel. To agree to do Mr. McMahon's bidding would fly in the face of everything his character stands for, unless he's going full on Ministry Taker. Plus, why would The Undertaker want to help Vince McMahon retain control of the company? Why would he care? And more importantly, why would he concern himself, and his Wrestlemania legacy, with Shane McMahon? From Shane's perspective, why would he put this on the line? He already claimed he's in a position of power. Why give it all up in a match that he can't win? Finally, what are the fans supposed to do? Boo The Undertaker? Or boo Shane McMahon? It's an impossible choice, given the circumstances. It was a total hail mary, and I sincerely doubt it sticks. My guess is the landscape of the match changes entirely before Mania, and into a Lashley/Umaga scenario like Mania 23, with Taker possibly representing Shane instead. Wrestling doesn't have to always been good guy vs. bad guy. Prime example was Shawn/Taker and Hunter/Taker. Neither guy is going to be booed. They're going to kill each other, fans will cheer, one will win, they'll most likely get a standing ovation. A few things: That doesn't change the fact that the set-up for the match makes no sense. The Undertaker has no logical reason to fight for Vince McMahon. Shane has no logical reason to put up the control he supposedly has against Taker in Hell in a Cell. Yes, the match is technically face vs. face, except The Undertaker, as a babyface, is battling on behalf of Vince McMahon, the biggest heel in the company, who is attempting to secure the company for his daughter, the second biggest heel in the company. By cheering for The Undertaker, the fans are, in fact, cheering for Vince McMahon. And finally, the Wrestlemania card is already loaded with these murky gray dynamics. It's fine to have one or two on the card, but having your top three matches have no defined heels is a little hard to work with. Roman Reigns, the traditional babyface, is absolutely despised, while Triple H, the traditional heel, is...somewhere in the spectrum of good guy? Who even knows anymore. The other big match, Lesnar/Ambrose, is babyface vs. babyface. So, realistically, the only heel in top three matches at Wrestlemania is Roman Reigns, and he's not a heel. If the match happens, I'm sure it'll be fun and the end result is likely desirable, but this is the hail mary of all hail marys. Whatever logic they're going to use here is a serious stretch.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Feb 23, 2016 12:38:15 GMT -5
I don't know. That blood looked a bit too red.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 12:47:28 GMT -5
Since when did it matter about heels and faces? For crying out loud, we cheer Kevin Owens, the New Day, Brock Lesnar... The line between good guy and bad guy in wrestling is very thin anymore. Almost non-existent.
There's still, what? 4 weeks left until WrestleMania? Sit back, relax a little and see where this is going.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 12:48:00 GMT -5
Roman's nose is made of glass. I bet that color wasn't a blade job of any kind. That was definitely the hard way.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 23, 2016 12:52:51 GMT -5
Wow you guys all really got worked by that fake blood packet Roman Reigns used lol
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Post by tiny04 on Feb 23, 2016 13:09:44 GMT -5
Shane Vs Taker sounds better to me that most of the other suggestions for Taker at Mania. Shane O'Mac gonna take a bump off the cell. Taker working for Vince doesn't really make sense at this moment, but there's still another 5 Raws left to tell the story, so let's see what happens.
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Post by AJ F'n Brooks on Feb 23, 2016 14:13:23 GMT -5
Great first segment and final segment. The stuff with Lesnar and Ambrose was good too. Good Raw overall.
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Post by bad guy™ on Feb 23, 2016 15:10:34 GMT -5
Wow you guys all really got worked by that fake blood packet Roman Reigns used lol Pretty much.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Feb 23, 2016 16:17:03 GMT -5
Also, surely Shane is just a placeholder until they know if Cena can go or not, popped for his return but that match just doesn't make sense. This was what I was wondering. Shane wrestling makes no sense, he wasn't really ever a proper wrestler to begin with. He's not even a remotely believable opponent for The Undertaker. Shane has been part of some of the greatest matches in history.....he'll be plenty believable against a decrepit Undertaker.
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Post by futureisrollins on Feb 23, 2016 16:21:29 GMT -5
I was in attendance for Raw last night, and wow it was an incredible show. I'm not sure how it came across on TV, but from top to bottom it was entertaining. Few things to note:
Steph is remarkably over as a heel, like every in the house on their feet booing over
Shane returning was probably the biggest moment since Sting arriving. The pop was huge, and the electricity was insane. You would have thought the Rock or even Stone Cold came out. Shane was visibly moved and came out to thank us for the reaction
Vince told Shane he was going to "give him a f*cking beating". Absolutely hilarious.
Undertaker announcement got a pop, but people were just plain shocked like everyone here.
New Day is over both as face and heel depending on the moment and where you look. Big E more out of the three.
Dean is definitely over, and the segment with Brock was great. Although, at least here, Brock is getting a better babyface reaction than Dean by a smidge.
It shocked me how over the Usos are, and I liked the quick Dudley promo.
Y2J is still very very over, and Aj is as well. Both got very good reactions but it quickly died down for the match when the Social Outcasts made their entrance.
Wyatts entrance is still a great spectacle and their reaction is okay. Some kid in front of me said "there's no way the wyatts win, its two creepy dudes and a weirdo against the 3 huge monsters" which made me honestly sad considering what the wyatts could be. Further though, Big show was supported greatly, and was getting a lot of chants, while Ryback was destroyed by the crowd. Show actually tried to quiet our Goldberg chants.
Sasha is over but unfortunately as soon as her matches start, the crowd goes dead. We woke up when becky came out though. The woo's are still prevalent as anything and ric is still very over.
Reigns was absolutely destroyed. Once the match went on, the Roman chants were actually beating the Roman sucks chants but once HHH came out it was done. HHH got the second biggest pop behind Shane. We were chanting for him to pedigree Reigns again, and I'm telling you, it was glorious. We're usually a hot crowd and on the smart side, but I know we're not a smark city, but that reaction made me think I was transported to Philly. Vince has to change something about romans booking quick.
Overall, it was a really great show and I'm grateful that Detroit usually ends up with quality Raws. Interesting that there really was not a lot of wrestling at all, mainly just storyline development which I enjoyed. Now I just hope this trend continues. Thanks for reading.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Feb 23, 2016 21:04:27 GMT -5
Watch Shane vs Kurt Angle from KOR 2001 I believs. Come back and tell me he won't put on a show with Taker and has no chance of winning. Because everybody is as active/athletic at 46 years old as they were when they were 30.
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