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Post by IRS on Jan 19, 2017 5:54:58 GMT -5
Hoffman missing by 1% was a bummer. But he'll likely make it next year, along with Vlad.
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Post by lucchesi04 on Jan 19, 2017 10:06:10 GMT -5
Hoffman missing by 1% was a bummer. But he'll likely make it next year, along with Vlad. no reason for hoffman to not be in. the mindset of these voters just baffles me. i will never understand "they dont deserve to be in on the first, second ballot, whatever. either they belong in or they dont.
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Post by Chip on Jan 19, 2017 13:54:19 GMT -5
if Curt Schilling is a hall of famer, than so is Andy Pettitte and Mike Mussina. Schilling gets all this credit because he pitched a game with blood on his ankle. him. Pettitte and Mussina have better winning %....the only thing Schilling has is the over 3k strikeouts, he has 3116....Mussina has 2813. Mussina also has 270 wins compared to Schillings 216. and both Pettitte & Mussina played 2 years longer than Schilling. Postseason? Pettite is 19-11, Schilling is 11-2. Yea thats a better winning percentage, but Schilling pitched in 12 post season series....Pettitte pitched in 32 Not to mention, Schilling was a reliever for 4 seasons. I'm just saying people are all up in arms about Schilling not being in the Hall is some kind of injustice, but then you look at Pettitte and Mussina and everyone's like "pssh those guys sucked, them" when in the end, they are all about the same level of pitcher in MLB history
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 19, 2017 14:24:34 GMT -5
Mussina should be in, no doubt. Even though Pettitte, never dominated in the regular season, he compiled very good statistics and his Postseason performances put him over the top, for me. I say Mussina and Pettitte should both be in. I think they eventually both do get in. Might take a while though. So many big stars coming up on the ballots all at one time....can't vote for everybody.
If I could change one thing about the HOF voting, I would get rid of restricting it to 10 votes, and guys should only be allowed to be on the ballot ONCE. I don't get this "he's not HOF worthy this year, but maybe in 10 years"....the stats are not going to change. Mike Mussina, Andy Pettite, Curt Schilling, roger Clemens....their numbers are the same now as they will be 100 years from now.
I say each year, you go down the list with unlimited votes and you say YES this guy is a Hall of Famer, or NO he's not, and THAT'S IT.
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Post by figurecollector on Jan 19, 2017 21:55:33 GMT -5
It is a shame that Hoffman just missed.
I see the Angels signed J. J. Hoover to minor league contract. At least they will not have a big loss if he posts a 13.00+ ERA like he did last year. Although he seemed to get better with a stint in the minors last year, he still could not get anyone out when he came back up.
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Post by King Richius on Jan 19, 2017 22:00:18 GMT -5
if Curt Schilling is a hall of famer, than so is Andy Pettitte and Mike Mussina. I wouldn't have a problem with all three being in based on stats and post season success. But, didn't Pettite have some drug controversy of his own, which brings me to my old fart "only with an asterisk" point of view?
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Post by lucchesi04 on Jan 20, 2017 9:58:44 GMT -5
If I could change one thing about the HOF voting, I would get rid of restricting it to 10 votes, and guys should only be allowed to be on the ballot ONCE. I don't get this "he's not HOF worthy this year, but maybe in 10 years"....the stats are not going to change. Mike Mussina, Andy Pettite, Curt Schilling, roger Clemens....their numbers are the same now as they will be 100 years from now. I say each year, you go down the list with unlimited votes and you say YES this guy is a Hall of Famer, or NO he's not, and THAT'S IT. i completely agree with this statement!!! i think the PEDs are being held against Pettite
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Post by 6 seasons and a movie on Jan 20, 2017 10:21:38 GMT -5
Glad to see I'm not the only one that thinks Mussina isn't getting enough credit.
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Post by lucchesi04 on Jan 20, 2017 10:52:12 GMT -5
what do you think about next year? first timers - Chipper, Thome
Chipper gets in without a doubt. i think Thome doesn't get in until the second ballot - which as i stated is just stupid. Hoffman, Vlad, and maybe Edgar join Chipper...
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Post by 6 seasons and a movie on Jan 22, 2017 11:44:47 GMT -5
Shocked to hear of the deaths of Andy Marte and Yordano Ventura. Seen Ventura pitch in person a couple of times and was really looking forward to seeing him mature and become a great pitcher.
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Post by BROKEN on Jan 22, 2017 12:04:40 GMT -5
Shocked to hear of the deaths of Andy Marte and Yordano Ventura. Seen Ventura pitch in person a couple of times and was really looking forward to seeing him mature and become a great pitcher. This sucks.
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Post by sean™ on Jan 22, 2017 13:36:04 GMT -5
What an awful ****ing thing to wake up to.
RIP Ace.
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Post by IRS on Jan 22, 2017 16:59:44 GMT -5
Shocked to hear of the deaths of Andy Marte and Yordano Ventura. Seen Ventura pitch in person a couple of times and was really looking forward to seeing him mature and become a great pitcher. Jesus. So many of these guys going way too young the past few years.
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Post by Chip on Jan 22, 2017 18:23:56 GMT -5
can MLB put a ban on players going to the DR in the offseason? how many more of these guys are going to die in auto-accidents there? what a tragic situation very sad.
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Post by Tim of thee on Jan 23, 2017 14:31:27 GMT -5
Hoffman missing is a ing comedy. The HOF is so full of itself. The dude was on a shitty team for basically his whole career and STILL came out the saves leader. Ridiculous.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jan 23, 2017 23:17:45 GMT -5
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Post by IRS on Jan 24, 2017 5:38:20 GMT -5
So, Pedro Martinez is alleging that Ventura was found alive after his accident, but instead of being helped, he was assaulted, robbed and left for dead. It's also supposedly been making the rounds on some DR news stations. If that's true, that is entirely ed beyond belief.
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Post by sean™ on Jan 24, 2017 19:46:42 GMT -5
How terrible of a human do you have to be to loot and assault an injured man and then leave him to die?
And as awful as that is, it makes some of the things about the crash scene make more sense.
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Post by The Lion's Den on Feb 6, 2017 23:11:21 GMT -5
Hoffman missing the ballot is BS. Baseball HoF is just silly.
Anyway, interesting to read that the Yankees are considering shopping Starling Marte. Are they trying to get rid of him before they're stuck with him for another 4 years or do they have a 2B that they'd rather have active right now? Is Gleyber Torres ready?
As a Jays fan it pains me to say the Yankees could be really scary in a few years (if all goes to plan).
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Post by LA Times on Feb 8, 2017 22:54:27 GMT -5
Team USA in the WBC sucks. This shouldve been the roster
C-Austin Romine 1B-Greg Bird, Chris Carter, Tyler Austin 2B-Joe Panik SS-Brandon Crawford 3B-Chase Headley OF-Brett Gardner, Blake Rutherford OF-Jacoby Ellsbury, Clint Frazier OF-Aaron Judge DH-Matt Holliday
SP-CC Sabathia SP-Chad Green SP-Adam Warren SP-Bryan Mitchell CL-Tyler Clippard
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