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Post by MADNESS_NH_97 on Apr 14, 2016 11:16:07 GMT -5
Well Kevin Owens/Steen is a WAY better Wrestler than several guys who held that Winged Eagle belt for real.  Not really. For those who held it: Andre, Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Bret, Shawn, Yokozuna, Sid, Undertaker, Diesel, Flair, Slaughter and Backlund Are in a league that very few, if any current WWE stars will ever reach (that haven't already like Cena has). Kevin Owens/Steen is a better Pro Wrestler than Hogan, Warrior, Andre, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & Undertaker. And this is not about who is being the bigger star, who has the better star "appeal" or any of these superficialities. I am talking about In Ring Skills. And when i comes to those Guys like Kevin Owens are better than guys like Hogan, Warrior, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & even the Undertaker. |
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Post by Kanenite on Apr 14, 2016 11:18:06 GMT -5
This makes me even more mad that they didn't use a updated version of the Women's Championship as the OG one from 98-02 looks great on the Horsewomen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 11:19:12 GMT -5
Not really. For those who held it: Andre, Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Bret, Shawn, Yokozuna, Sid, Undertaker, Diesel, Flair, Slaughter and Backlund Are in a league that very few, if any current WWE stars will ever reach (that haven't already like Cena has). Kevin Owens/Steen is a better Pro Wrestler than Hogan, Warrior, Andre, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & Undertaker. And this is not about who is being the bigger star, who has the better star "appeal" or any of these superficialities. I am talking about In Ring Skills. And when i comes to those Guys like Kevin Owens are better than guys like Hogan, Warrior, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & even the Undertaker. LMFAO so because he can do 95 moves he's a better wrestler than them? Obviously, this is all opinion based. Because "in ring" is SO much more than just moves. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 11:22:15 GMT -5
Not really. For those who held it: Andre, Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Bret, Shawn, Yokozuna, Sid, Undertaker, Diesel, Flair, Slaughter and Backlund Are in a league that very few, if any current WWE stars will ever reach (that haven't already like Cena has). Kevin Owens/Steen is a better Pro Wrestler than Hogan, Warrior, Andre, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & Undertaker. And this is not about who is being the bigger star, who has the better star "appeal" or any of these superficialities. I am talking about In Ring Skills. And when i comes to those Guys like Kevin Owens are better than guys like Hogan, Warrior, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & even the Undertaker. No. He's not. And I'm going to leave it at that. |
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Post by MADNESS_NH_97 on Apr 14, 2016 11:23:43 GMT -5
Kevin Owens/Steen is a better Pro Wrestler than Hogan, Warrior, Andre, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & Undertaker. And this is not about who is being the bigger star, who has the better star "appeal" or any of these superficialities. I am talking about In Ring Skills. And when i comes to those Guys like Kevin Owens are better than guys like Hogan, Warrior, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & even the Undertaker. LMFAO so because he can do 95 moves he's a better wrestler than them? Obviously, this is all opinion based. Because "in ring" is SO much more than just moves. Well i just posted the Video because several people here never saw his Indy work and that Video showcases it. And even if it's SO much more. Owens is one of the best Pro Wrestlers in the World today. And Pro Wrestling today is way more advanced than it was back in the day. There are many Pro Wrestlers today that are better than guys like Hogan, Warrior, Yokozuna, Diesel, Sid etc etc. |
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Post by MADNESS_NH_97 on Apr 14, 2016 11:26:38 GMT -5
Kevin Owens/Steen is a better Pro Wrestler than Hogan, Warrior, Andre, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & Undertaker. And this is not about who is being the bigger star, who has the better star "appeal" or any of these superficialities. I am talking about In Ring Skills. And when i comes to those Guys like Kevin Owens are better than guys like Hogan, Warrior, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & even the Undertaker. No. He's not. And I'm going to leave it at that. Sure. Even thought it might be good if you would explain why Owens isn't supposed to be a better in ring performer than Hogan, Warrior, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel etc etc. |
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Post by Sizzle on Apr 14, 2016 11:27:33 GMT -5
Vince probably don't even know they took those pics Sure... That doesn't change the fact that WWE buries a talented Wrestler like Tyler Breeze for no reason, that they never gave Natalya another Championship during the last 5 Years and that it's just idiotic to let Eva Marie pose with the Belt Hall Of Famers like Trish & Lita held. The Women's Championship was a joke. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 11:29:30 GMT -5
LMFAO so because he can do 95 moves he's a better wrestler than them? Obviously, this is all opinion based. Because "in ring" is SO much more than just moves. Well i just posted the Video because several people here never saw his Indy work and that Video showcases it. And even if it's SO much more. Owens is one of the best Pro Wrestlers in the World today. And Pro Wrestling today is way more advanced than it was back in the day. There are many Pro Wrestlers today that are better than guys like Hogan, Warrior, Yokozuna, Diesel, Sid etc etc. As far as move sets and in-ring performance, yes. Not so much as far as characters IMO. Owens has more moves and is a better ring worker than Hogan but to say he's a better professional wrestler is hilarious. Owens has a cool character and does a great job as a tough guy but to say he is a better professional wrestler than The Undertaker is also hilarious. I know you said in-ring, but it's pro wrestling. There's so much more to the characters in AND out of the ring. Owens is great, and I've become a fan. But if him doing a million moves somehow makes him better than true LEGENDS in the wrestling business then he can go back to wrestling in high school gyms as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by drifter on Apr 14, 2016 11:31:04 GMT -5
All the pictures accomplished with me, is missing a time, when WWE's titles didn't look like crap. With the exception of the Intercontinental title, I hate the look of WWE's title belts.
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Post by Sizzle on Apr 14, 2016 11:31:31 GMT -5
In ring work doesn't make you deserve a title. Sure guys like Hogan and Taker weren't the best workers, but they were characters. They were entertaining. That's why someone like Neville isn't champ, he's just a good worker, nothing more. That's coming from a guy who likes Neville, too.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Apr 14, 2016 11:33:43 GMT -5
Kevin Owens has been in WWE for like a year. How the HELL does anyone know how big of a star he will be there?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 11:35:53 GMT -5
Kevin Owens has been in WWE for like a year. How the HELL does anyone know how big of a star he will be there? Unless I missed something, no one in this thread has said anything about how big of a star he will be. What's being talked about is a guy who has been in WWE for like a year is being called a better professional wrestler than guys who he is not better than. |
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Post by Robert69 on Apr 14, 2016 11:38:22 GMT -5
Reigns with that title looks awesome.
As does HHH
Becky Lynch and Ambrose, too.
And Ambrose.
And KO.
They can keep the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 11:40:01 GMT -5
Kevin Owens has been in WWE for like a year. How the HELL does anyone know how big of a star he will be there? Unless I missed something, no one in this thread has said anything about how big of a star he will be. What's being talked about is a guy who has been in WWE for like a year is being called a better professional wrestler than guys who he is not better than. He's been in WWE for a year, sure, but he's been actively wrestling since 2000.. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 11:41:04 GMT -5
No. He's not. And I'm going to leave it at that. Sure. Even thought it might be good if you would explain why Owens isn't supposed to be a better in ring performer than Hogan, Warrior, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel etc etc. Being a good professional wrestler is a hell of a lot more than just "doing lots of moves", sloppily. With this kind of logic, Dean Malenko would be one of the greatest wrestlers ever. But of course he's not. I'd liken it to having a cake where the filling, the sponge and the toppings were all made of dog crap, but having a nice creamy butter icing. Is that the best cake you've ever had, just because the icing was declicious? No. There are many components that make up a good wrestler. +Charisma +Technical Proficiency +Relationship with the crowd +Appearance +Mic skills +The ability to work with a variety of opponents +The ability to consistently bring out the best in those opponents +The ability to create a "big fight feel" And more. KO ticks precisely NONE of those boxes. I did think for a while that he was popular with the crowd, but recent reports suggest that he's one of the biggest offenders of viewers changing the channel while he's on. |
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Post by Chris Hammers on Apr 14, 2016 11:42:32 GMT -5
Triple H in the suit with the winged eagle does look classy as f**k. Total Nick Bockwinkel vibes.
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Post by MADNESS_NH_97 on Apr 14, 2016 11:43:43 GMT -5
Well i just posted the Video because several people here never saw his Indy work and that Video showcases it. And even if it's SO much more. Owens is one of the best Pro Wrestlers in the World today. And Pro Wrestling today is way more advanced than it was back in the day. There are many Pro Wrestlers today that are better than guys like Hogan, Warrior, Yokozuna, Diesel, Sid etc etc. As far as move sets and in-ring performance, yes. Not so much as far as characters IMO. Owens has more moves and is a better ring worker than Hogan but to say he's a better professional wrestler is hilarious. Owens has a cool character and does a great job as a tough guy but to say he is a better professional wrestler than The Undertaker is also hilarious. I know you said in-ring, but it's pro wrestling. There's so much more to the characters in AND out of the ring. Owens is great, and I've become a fan. But if him doing a million moves somehow makes him better than true LEGENDS in the wrestling business then he can go back to wrestling in high school gyms as far as I'm concerned. YES i said IN RING. IN RING that's the only thing i am talking about. IN THE RING Kevin Steen is BETTER than the guys i mentioned. And even thought Undertaker will always be my All Time #01 Favorite. The Undertaker from the early 90's who held the Winged Eagle Belt wasn't as good as the Undertaker from the last 15 Years. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 11:45:12 GMT -5
Unless I missed something, no one in this thread has said anything about how big of a star he will be. What's being talked about is a guy who has been in WWE for like a year is being called a better professional wrestler than guys who he is not better than. He's been in WWE for a year, sure, but he's been actively wrestling since 2000.. See the post I quoted. "There" would be WWE. Which is the place he wrestles now, and has for about a year. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 11:49:16 GMT -5
As far as move sets and in-ring performance, yes. Not so much as far as characters IMO. Owens has more moves and is a better ring worker than Hogan but to say he's a better professional wrestler is hilarious. Owens has a cool character and does a great job as a tough guy but to say he is a better professional wrestler than The Undertaker is also hilarious. I know you said in-ring, but it's pro wrestling. There's so much more to the characters in AND out of the ring. Owens is great, and I've become a fan. But if him doing a million moves somehow makes him better than true LEGENDS in the wrestling business then he can go back to wrestling in high school gyms as far as I'm concerned. YES i said IN RING. IN RING that's the only thing i am talking about. IN THE RING Kevin Steen is BETTER than the guys i mentioned. And even thought Undertaker will always be my All Time #01 Favorite. The Undertaker from the early 90's who held the Winged Eagle Belt wasn't as good as the Undertaker from the last 15 Years. You said earlier..."Kevin Owens/Steen is a better Pro Wrestler than Hogan, Warrior, Andre, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & Undertaker." Better in-ring? Moves wise, yes. As far as the winged eagle title era goes. IMO Owens a better pro wrestler? Most certainly not. IMO |
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Post by MADNESS_NH_97 on Apr 14, 2016 11:49:54 GMT -5
Kevin Owens has been in WWE for like a year. How the HELL does anyone know how big of a star he will be there? Unless I missed something, no one in this thread has said anything about how big of a star he will be. What's being talked about is a guy who has been in WWE for like a year is being called a better professional wrestler than guys who he is not better than. 1. Kevin Steen is a 15+ Years Active Pro Wrestler 2. Pro Wrestling is WAY MORE than WWE. A company whose Boss isn't even calling it "Pro Wrestling".  3. Just because some Wrestlers hasn't been in WWE for a certain while doesn't mean they can't be better than certain WWE "Legends". |
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