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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 11:51:11 GMT -5
Jesus Christ. I'm done here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 11:52:48 GMT -5
Not really. For those who held it: Andre, Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Bret, Shawn, Yokozuna, Sid, Undertaker, Diesel, Flair, Slaughter and Backlund Are in a league that very few, if any current WWE stars will ever reach (that haven't already like Cena has). Kevin Owens/Steen is a better Pro Wrestler than Hogan, Warrior, Andre, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & Undertaker. And this is not about who is being the bigger star, who has the better star "appeal" or any of these superficialities. I am talking about In Ring Skills. And when i comes to those Guys like Kevin Owens are better than guys like Hogan, Warrior, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & even the Undertaker. Yeah. Disagree 110%. |
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Post by MADNESS_NH_97 on Apr 14, 2016 11:54:07 GMT -5
YES i said IN RING. IN RING that's the only thing i am talking about. IN THE RING Kevin Steen is BETTER than the guys i mentioned. And even thought Undertaker will always be my All Time #01 Favorite. The Undertaker from the early 90's who held the Winged Eagle Belt wasn't as good as the Undertaker from the last 15 Years. You said earlier..."Kevin Owens/Steen is a better Pro Wrestler than Hogan, Warrior, Andre, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & Undertaker." Better in-ring? Moves wise, yes. As far as the winged eagle title era goes. IMO Owens a better pro wrestler? Most certainly not. IMO Well IMO Kevin Steen/Owens even is a better talker than guys like Andre, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter and The Undertaker(from that time frame). And if that doesn't come across that well in the WWE. It's WWE's fault not Kevin Steen/Owens'. We all should know how shitty creative can be. Sadly KO isn't getting the freedom someone like CM Punk got in 2011. |
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Post by MADNESS_NH_97 on Apr 14, 2016 11:59:28 GMT -5
Sure. Even thought it might be good if you would explain why Owens isn't supposed to be a better in ring performer than Hogan, Warrior, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel etc etc. Being a good professional wrestler is a hell of a lot more than just "doing lots of moves", sloppily. With this kind of logic, Dean Malenko would be one of the greatest wrestlers ever. But of course he's not. I'd liken it to having a cake where the filling, the sponge and the toppings were all made of dog crap, but having a nice creamy butter icing. Is that the best cake you've ever had, just because the icing was declicious? No. There are many components that make up a good wrestler. +Charisma+Technical Proficiency
+Relationship with the crowd+Appearance +Mic skills+The ability to work with a variety of opponents+The ability to consistently bring out the best in those opponents +The ability to create a "big fight feel"And more. KO ticks precisely NONE of those boxes. I did think for a while that he was popular with the crowd, but recent reports suggest that he's one of the biggest offenders of viewers changing the channel while he's on. I guess you never payed attention to Kevin STEEN who never got held back by Vince McMahon and his creative team? And "big fight feel" ? Is that exclusive to RAW, Smackdown and the Main Roster PPVs? Can't NXT, ROH etc etc have that? |
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Post by Mox on Apr 14, 2016 12:03:42 GMT -5
You said earlier..."Kevin Owens/Steen is a better Pro Wrestler than Hogan, Warrior, Andre, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter & Undertaker." Better in-ring? Moves wise, yes. As far as the winged eagle title era goes. IMO Owens a better pro wrestler? Most certainly not. IMO Well IMO Kevin Steen/Owens even is a better talker than guys like Andre, Yokozuna, Sid, Diesel, Slaughter and The Undertaker(from that time frame). And if that doesn't come across that well in the WWE. It's WWE's fault not Kevin Steen/Owens'. We all should know how crapty creative can be. Sadly KO isn't getting the freedom someone like CM Punk got in 2011. Opinions are opinions. I feel you. Steen is a great wrestler. |
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Post by Jeremiah on Apr 14, 2016 12:05:27 GMT -5
to chime in on this its not about the move sets hell in the 80's-90's it was about the emotion behind the wrestler. how you felt when andre was billed as this unmovable object and Hogan slammed him, you paid to see andre the myth just stand face to face with an icon, yes we know Hogan was a greedy and cut throat business man but we older fans watched it for the drama, for the once in a life time feeling you got, now a days wrestlers have the move sets and basic match formulas its played out and great they can go 30 minutes terrific but if its the same default style and progression it gets boring. plus 50/50 booking does not help. not saying owens is not great in the ring but hell I'm bigger then him is height and probably muscle mass and I don't even wrestle. guys like sid, diesel, andre, Hogan were a site to behold because you didn't see guys built like that, now the norm is ripped six pack gym rat big deal I can go to my local gym and see just how common that is. and the bottom line is those guys drew money Hogan, diesel, sid not so much but he was cheered over shawn in his first title in great force and even cheating to win still got him more praise and that was during shawn's peaked popularity. and as far as Andre goes he was massive you don't get nicknamed a wonder of the world back then for nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 12:24:22 GMT -5
Lmao.
This is great.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 13:10:59 GMT -5
Being a good professional wrestler is a hell of a lot more than just "doing lots of moves", sloppily. With this kind of logic, Dean Malenko would be one of the greatest wrestlers ever. But of course he's not. I'd liken it to having a cake where the filling, the sponge and the toppings were all made of dog crap, but having a nice creamy butter icing. Is that the best cake you've ever had, just because the icing was declicious? No. There are many components that make up a good wrestler. +Charisma+Technical Proficiency
+Relationship with the crowd+Appearance +Mic skills+The ability to work with a variety of opponents+The ability to consistently bring out the best in those opponents +The ability to create a "big fight feel"And more. KO ticks precisely NONE of those boxes. I did think for a while that he was popular with the crowd, but recent reports suggest that he's one of the biggest offenders of viewers changing the channel while he's on. I guess you never payed attention to Kevin STEEN who never got held back by Vince McMahon and his creative team? And "big fight feel" ? Is that exclusive to RAW, Smackdown and the Main Roster PPVs? Can't NXT, ROH etc etc have that? I don't watch indies. If KO can't prove himself to have any of these qualities in the biggest company in the world then he can't be that great. Especially not in the pantheon of Hogan, Warrior, Savage etc. Guys like Punk and Bryan, who have genuine talent were able to transend the horrific creative team and prove their talents, so it can't all be blamed on the creative team. As for a big fight feel, I'm referring to a match along the lines of say: Hogan/Warrior, Bret/Shawn, Hogan/Rock etc. Is the image of seeing Kevin Owens standing opposite somebody in the ring ever going to become one of the most iconic moments in wrestling history? To quote Gorilla Monsoon: "Highly Unlikely". |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Apr 14, 2016 13:10:59 GMT -5
This thread hurts my head.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 13:45:18 GMT -5
I guess you never payed attention to Kevin STEEN who never got held back by Vince McMahon and his creative team? And "big fight feel" ? Is that exclusive to RAW, Smackdown and the Main Roster PPVs? Can't NXT, ROH etc etc have that? I don't watch indies. If KO can't prove himself to have any of these qualities in the biggest company in the world then he can't be that great. Especially not in the pantheon of Hogan, Warrior, Savage etc. Guys like Punk and Bryan, who have genuine talent were able to transend the horrific creative team and prove their talents, so it can't all be blamed on the creative team. As for a big fight feel, I'm referring to a match along the lines of say: Hogan/Warrior, Bret/Shawn, Hogan/Rock etc. Is the image of seeing Kevin Owens standing opposite somebody in the ring ever going to become one of the most iconic moments in wrestling history? To quote Gorilla Monsoon: "Highly Unlikely".  This was pretty damn huge. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 13:58:51 GMT -5
I don't watch indies. If KO can't prove himself to have any of these qualities in the biggest company in the world then he can't be that great. Especially not in the pantheon of Hogan, Warrior, Savage etc. Guys like Punk and Bryan, who have genuine talent were able to transend the horrific creative team and prove their talents, so it can't all be blamed on the creative team. As for a big fight feel, I'm referring to a match along the lines of say: Hogan/Warrior, Bret/Shawn, Hogan/Rock etc. Is the image of seeing Kevin Owens standing opposite somebody in the ring ever going to become one of the most iconic moments in wrestling history? To quote Gorilla Monsoon: "Highly Unlikely". This was pretty damn huge. Yeah... No. |
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Post by robbutler01 on Apr 14, 2016 13:59:01 GMT -5
I don't watch indies. If KO can't prove himself to have any of these qualities in the biggest company in the world then he can't be that great. Especially not in the pantheon of Hogan, Warrior, Savage etc. Guys like Punk and Bryan, who have genuine talent were able to transend the horrific creative team and prove their talents, so it can't all be blamed on the creative team. As for a big fight feel, I'm referring to a match along the lines of say: Hogan/Warrior, Bret/Shawn, Hogan/Rock etc. Is the image of seeing Kevin Owens standing opposite somebody in the ring ever going to become one of the most iconic moments in wrestling history? To quote Gorilla Monsoon: "Highly Unlikely". This was pretty damn huge. Lol ur kidding right? You think this is hogan/warrior, hogan/andre, Austin/rock big? Been watching since the 80s and this barely registers let alone being "huge" Now let's move on to something else! |
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Post by Sizzle on Apr 14, 2016 14:11:50 GMT -5
This was pretty damn huge. Lol ur kidding right? You think this is hogan/warrior, hogan/andre, Austin/rock big? Been watching since the 80s and this barely registers let alone being "huge" Now let's move on to something else! It pretty much cemented him as a big part of the future in WWE. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 14:15:15 GMT -5
This was pretty damn huge. Lol ur kidding right? You think this is hogan/warrior, hogan/andre, Austin/rock big? Been watching since the 80s and this barely registers let alone being "huge" Now let's move on to something else! It created a star in one night at the expense of the face of the company. It was massive. |
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Post by Mox on Apr 14, 2016 14:16:16 GMT -5
This was pretty damn huge. Lol ur kidding right? You think this is hogan/warrior, hogan/andre, Austin/rock big? Been watching since the 80s and this barely registers let alone being "huge" Now let's move on to something else!
You might be right. But why can't we give a little credit where it's due. The man is a great wrestler and his name can be mentioned with the likes of Hero, Danielson and Generico. He's not Hogan yet, but he's a big deal.
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Post by Sizzle on Apr 14, 2016 14:18:45 GMT -5
As for my opinions on the pictures, Dean Ambrose looks like a badass with the Winged Eagle belt. As does Sheamus. Rusev is a future European Champion, that belt looks awesome on him. The Winged Eagle belt doesn't look right on Owens, imo. The Women's Championship only looks amazing on Becky Lynch. Sasha holding it is probably my least favorite, then Eva Marie. Charlotte is my third choice, behind Natalya who it doesn't look half bad on. Triple H looks magnificent in the suit with that belt. I can see Reigns with that belt. The New Day can stay away from the classic tag belts, but the Lucha Dragons and Usos look legit with them.
This photo gallery made me realize that the former Women's Championship looks pretty ugly, though.
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Post by robbutler01 on Apr 14, 2016 14:23:15 GMT -5
Lol ur kidding right? You think this is hogan/warrior, hogan/andre, Austin/rock big? Been watching since the 80s and this barely registers let alone being "huge" Now let's move on to something else! It created a star in one night at the expense of the face of the company. It was massive. And? How did he do against cena again? Hardly the same as hogan/andre is it if your honest? Wwe still shows the iconic moments 30 years later I think vince probably forgot about this 30 mins later! I agree that Owens is one of the best in the ring today but he's got a long way to go till he's in with the best of all time |
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Post by Sizzle on Apr 14, 2016 14:24:30 GMT -5
It pretty much cemented him as a big part of the future in WWE. And? How did he do against cena again? Hardly the same as hogan/andre is it if your honest? Wwe still shows the iconic moments 30 years later I think vince probably forgot about this 30 mins later! I agree that Owens is one of the best in the ring today but he's got a long way to go till he's in with the best of all time. I never said Owens is up with the best of all time. He didn't beat Cena again, but winning against him on his debut clean was all he needed. I'm sure in a few years when Owens is a established as a main event player in WWE, they will still show it. He can bring it up any time, and even if he's in a feud with another dude and they've hyped up the grudge match, they can show a vignette or something including his win against Cena. That's what that win did for him. It's a pretty big moment. |
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Post by Infinite on Apr 14, 2016 14:25:27 GMT -5
The way some of you guys talk makes me wonder whether the WWE commentary team have accounts on this forum. Surprised to not have read the term "the big leagues" yet.
Winged eagle belt is always going to be my favorite championship belt ever. Damn shame they ever replaced it.
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Post by robbutler01 on Apr 14, 2016 14:26:51 GMT -5
And? How did he do against cena again? Hardly the same as hogan/andre is it if your honest? Wwe still shows the iconic moments 30 years later I think vince probably forgot about this 30 mins later! I agree that Owens is one of the best in the ring today but he's got a long way to go till he's in with the best of all time. I never said Owens is up with the best of all time. He didn't beat Cena again, but winning against him on his debut clean was all he needed. I'm sure in a few years when Owens is a established as a main event player in WWE, they will still show it. He can bring it up any time, and even if he's in a feud with another dude and they've hyped up the grudge match, they can show a vignette or something including his win against Cena. That's what that win did for him. It's a pretty big moment. Fair comment, sorry by the way I quoted your comment by mistake. I've changed it now. |
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