Blackbird 13
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Post by Blackbird 13 on May 25, 2016 18:29:47 GMT -5
Soooo disappointed right now... I thought that we finally had some justice and freedom... and now I here am, confused again. Gotta reinterate my previous post. Gonna copy paste it, so that all my points are made.
Jack Specific?
Wasn't sure where else to ask this... but figured here is as good a place as any.
We are a group of wrestling figure collectors.. this board is to discuss figures.. and the FTC lines seem like they COULD be a fairly significant deal... so why are we not allowed to talk about them? It can't be a simple "Ringside doesn't sell that", because we often discuss Target, TRU, and Walmart exclusives on the Mattel boards. Likewise, no one is selling Hasbros, OSFTM, LJN, or Toybiz figures these days, and they aren't forbidden topics.
I have always been against the ban on discussing certain figures, including Mattel prototypes that may have been stolen, because while I understand WHY this is the case, it seems similar to how WWE removes Hogan, Snuka, and Benoit from things. It sucks, and people who steal should be punished.. but it's the same as discussing a prototype, or a non-released figure, in my eyes. If a thing exists, and we aren't allowed to discuss it, that makes this community less informative, doesn't it? I've always been taught that burying your head in the sand on an issue never makes it go away, it just breeds more ignorance to it.
Just seems a bit strange to me.... isn't it better to foster discussion of ALL wrestling figures, rather than to say "You can talk about this 90% of figures, but everyone should pretend this 10% doesn't exist"?
I ask, with NO sarcasm intended, how does that make for a better community? Or more specifically, how is this a rule that benefits the board?
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Post by Colter on May 25, 2016 18:32:51 GMT -5
It makes no sense to not allow it. Those figures and the site they're sold on aren't going to take sales away from RSC (which seems to be the big problem here).
This place be mad weird, yo.
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Post by BCizzle on May 25, 2016 18:49:48 GMT -5
Yes, it's very dumb. Some higher power told Jack Specific to not allow it. But who is this Higher Power?
If they think it will take away business from Ringside, I have to tell you, this censorship crap is what's making me not want to buy from RSC.
The Amazon threads get locked sometimes. Why not all the Target or TRU or Wal-Mart threads? Does Ringside want a monopoly on the wrestling figure market?
It's the corporate greed from the RSC sponsorship which leads to this lameness.
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Post by Blackbird 13 on May 25, 2016 18:53:23 GMT -5
Yes, it's very dumb. Some higher power told Jack Specific to not allow it. But who is this Higher Power? If they think it will take away business from Ringside, I have to tell you, this censorship crap is what's making me not want to buy from RSC. The Amazon threads get locked sometimes. Why not all the Target or TRU or Wal-Mart threads? Does Ringside want a monopoly on the wrestling figure market? It's the corporate greed from the RSC sponsorship which leads to this lameness. Not kidding when I say that Wfigs stance on this was going to entice me to put in a Ringside order for E43, something I usually only do for sales or exclusives. Glad I waited a bit... and hopefully we can get direct answers instead of speculation. |
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Post by Nivro™ on May 25, 2016 19:01:29 GMT -5
I dont see why people are surprised. RSC has never allowed discussion of competitors. Walk into Target handing out Walmart sales ads and see how long you last before being thrown out.
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Post by Colter on May 25, 2016 19:02:20 GMT -5
I dont see why people are surprised. RSC has never allowed discussion of competitors. Walk into Target handing out Walmart sales ads and see how long you last before being thrown out. How can FTC be of competition to RSC when RSC doesn't even carry the ROH figures? |
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Post by Blackbird 13 on May 25, 2016 19:05:31 GMT -5
I dont see why people are surprised. RSC has never allowed discussion of competitors. Walk into Target handing out Walmart sales ads and see how long you last before being thrown out. Different concept. This place claims to be a forum for discussion, about the topic of wrestling figures. When that discussion starts getting arbitrarily censored, I don't feel it's unfair to ask for an explanation. And, as I mentioned, we often talk about Walmart, TRU, and Target exclusives on these boards... all things that Ringside doesn't see profit on. |
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Post by Nivro™ on May 25, 2016 19:16:40 GMT -5
I dont see why people are surprised. RSC has never allowed discussion of competitors. Walk into Target handing out Walmart sales ads and see how long you last before being thrown out. Different concept. This place claims to be a forum for discussion, about the topic of wrestling figures. When that discussion starts getting arbitrarily censored, I don't feel it's unfair to ask for an explanation. And, as I mentioned, we often talk about Walmart, TRU, and Target exclusives on these boards... all things that Ringside doesn't see profit on. I gave you the simple explanation. They're direct competition. While the ROH figures *could* be discussed you can not discuss where they are from (which you essentially cant do one without the other). If they were made by JAKKS and sold at mass it would be a different story. These are figures made by FTC, sold by FTC who hasnt been allowed to be discussed here since WFigs inception. I dont see why people are surprised. RSC has never allowed discussion of competitors. Walk into Target handing out Walmart sales ads and see how long you last before being thrown out. How can FTC be of competition to RSC when RSC doesn't even carry the ROH figures? Because everything else the site sells. |
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Post by Blackbird 13 on May 25, 2016 19:19:37 GMT -5
Different concept. This place claims to be a forum for discussion, about the topic of wrestling figures. When that discussion starts getting arbitrarily censored, I don't feel it's unfair to ask for an explanation. And, as I mentioned, we often talk about Walmart, TRU, and Target exclusives on these boards... all things that Ringside doesn't see profit on. I gave you the simple explanation. They're direct competition. While the ROH figures *could* be discussed you can not discuss where they are from (which you essentially cant do one without the other). If they were made by JAKKS and sold at mass it would be a different story. These are figures made by FTC, sold by FTC who hasnt been allowed to be discussed here since WFigs inception. How can FTC be of competition to RSC when RSC doesn't even carry the ROH figures? Because everything else the site sells. Also dumb. A thing exists. Burying your head in the sand doesn't make it go away... and as I said before, just breeds ignorance. We come here for information.. why not let that information be free, and let people decide if it's pertinent or not? |
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Post by Nivro™ on May 25, 2016 19:25:07 GMT -5
I gave you the simple explanation. They're direct competition. While the ROH figures *could* be discussed you can not discuss where they are from (which you essentially cant do one without the other). If they were made by JAKKS and sold at mass it would be a different story. These are figures made by FTC, sold by FTC who hasnt been allowed to be discussed here since WFigs inception. Because everything else the site sells. Also dumb. A thing exists. Burying your head in the sand doesn't make it go away... and as I said before, just breeds ignorance. We come here for information.. why not let that information be free, and let people decide if it's pertinent or not? How would you feel if you were self employed. Your livelihood depended on you selling home made book cases (just an example). You create a Facebook page showing off all your work and promoting your services so you can make money....a living....and then I come along and post all over your page about my book cases, essentially trying to take away your business. Its no different. If FTC stopped selling wrestling merch and just made figures, there's no doubt in my mind they would allowed to be discussed here. |
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Post by Blackbird 13 on May 25, 2016 19:29:40 GMT -5
Also dumb. A thing exists. Burying your head in the sand doesn't make it go away... and as I said before, just breeds ignorance. We come here for information.. why not let that information be free, and let people decide if it's pertinent or not? How would you feel if you were self employed. Your livelihood depended on you selling home made book cases (just an example). You create a Facebook page showing off all your work and promoting your services so you can make money....a living....and then I come along and post all over your page about my book cases, essentially trying to take away your business. Its no different. If FTC stopped selling wrestling merch and just made figures, there's no doubt in my mind they would allowed to be discussed here. I am self employed. I manage and run two cover bands. One a variety band, and one a 90s band. And when I find a competitor playing country or jazz? I recommend them for a gig, because I want the clients I work with to be happy, and to know that I am looking out for them. If you need a jazz band, and I don't have it, why would I actively discourage you from getting one? As for your analogy... If it were my Facebook page that was blatantly about my business? I'd be angry. If it was a Facebook page or group ABOUT bookcases, and you offered something unique? I'd be glad to see you join the discussion. |
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Post by Nivro™ on May 25, 2016 19:32:04 GMT -5
How would you feel if you were self employed. Your livelihood depended on you selling home made book cases (just an example). You create a Facebook page showing off all your work and promoting your services so you can make money....a living....and then I come along and post all over your page about my book cases, essentially trying to take away your business. Its no different. If FTC stopped selling wrestling merch and just made figures, there's no doubt in my mind they would allowed to be discussed here. If it were my Facebook page that was blatantly about my business? I'd be angry. If it was a Facebook page or group ABOUT bookcases, and you offered something unique? I'd be glad to see you join the discussion. But I think that's where you're missing the point. This isnt a forum to discuss wrestling figures...its THEIR (RSC) forum to discuss wrestling figures. |
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Post by Blackbird 13 on May 25, 2016 19:36:50 GMT -5
If it were my Facebook page that was blatantly about my business? I'd be angry. If it was a Facebook page or group ABOUT bookcases, and you offered something unique? I'd be glad to see you join the discussion. But I think that's where you're missing the point. This isnt a forum to discuss wrestling figures...its THEIR (RSC) forum to discuss wrestling figures. It doesn't present as that, at all. It presents as a forum for wrestling figures, that has some ads for Ringside. Not only that, but again, we're taking about information. As a wrestling figure collector, I'm interested in the newest Elites.. I wanna know if Jakks continues the TNA line.. If Lucha Underground figs are made... And if there is a whole line of new figures, that IS newsworthy if you are a wrestling figure forum. |
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Post by Nivro™ on May 25, 2016 19:46:01 GMT -5
But I think that's where you're missing the point. This isnt a forum to discuss wrestling figures...its THEIR (RSC) forum to discuss wrestling figures. It doesn't present as that, at all. It presents as a forum for wrestling figures, that has some ads for Ringside. Not only that, but again, we're taking about information. As a wrestling figure collector, I'm interested in the newest Elites.. I wanna know if Jakks continues the TNA line.. If Lucha Underground figs are made... And if there is a whole line of new figures, that IS newsworthy if you are a wrestling figure forum. Im sounding like a broken record as its just the same thing over and over. All your figure information is allowed here except for discussion that could/would take away business from RSC. Which FTC is direct competition to RSC. It really just cant get any more simple then that. |
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Post by Blackbird 13 on May 25, 2016 19:52:29 GMT -5
It doesn't present as that, at all. It presents as a forum for wrestling figures, that has some ads for Ringside. Not only that, but again, we're taking about information. As a wrestling figure collector, I'm interested in the newest Elites.. I wanna know if Jakks continues the TNA line.. If Lucha Underground figs are made... And if there is a whole line of new figures, that IS newsworthy if you are a wrestling figure forum. Im sounding like a broken record as its just the same thing over and over. All your figure information is allowed here except for discussion that could/would take away business from RSC. Which FTC is direct competition to RSC. It really just cant get any more simple then that. I mean, if that's true, it's underhanded, in my opinion, and it is NOT to the betterment of the forum, in my opinion. Of course, we ARE allowed to discuss Walmart, Target, and TRU figures, so that really can't be all there is to this. That's the whole purpose of this post, so that an admin, or the forum owner, can make a statement explaining it all, and hopefully satisfying the contingent here like me who thinks it just feels wrong. |
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Post by Sizzle on May 25, 2016 21:32:32 GMT -5
Im sounding like a broken record as its just the same thing over and over. All your figure information is allowed here except for discussion that could/would take away business from RSC. Which FTC is direct competition to RSC. It really just cant get any more simple then that. I mean, if that's true, it's underhanded, in my opinion, and it is NOT to the betterment of the forum, in my opinion. Of course, we ARE allowed to discuss Walmart, Target, and TRU figures, so that really can't be all there is to this.
That's the whole purpose of this post, so that an admin, or the forum owner, can make a statement explaining it all, and hopefully satisfying the contingent here like me who thinks it just feels wrong. Those aren't stores directly aimed at wrestling merchandise and figures. Nivro™ explained it as well and as thoroughly as you can get. His answer is most likely what an admin would say. |
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Post by Blackbird 13 on May 25, 2016 21:53:20 GMT -5
I mean, if that's true, it's underhanded, in my opinion, and it is NOT to the betterment of the forum, in my opinion. Of course, we ARE allowed to discuss Walmart, Target, and TRU figures, so that really can't be all there is to this.
That's the whole purpose of this post, so that an admin, or the forum owner, can make a statement explaining it all, and hopefully satisfying the contingent here like me who thinks it just feels wrong. Those aren't stores directly aimed at wrestling merchandise and figures. Nivro™ explained it as well and as thoroughly as you can get. His answer is most likely what an admin would say. Not upset with Nivro™ , I get his point even if I disagree with it, both as reasoning AND as a business practice.. and you may be right.. but before tossing that judgement on them, I'd like to get their side. I thought Ringside was going to sell these, though? I'm well aware that this isn't a "freedom of speech" issue, that this is a private forum, and it is my decision to post here. But the way you enable change, and the way you enable understanding and knowledge about a decision or rule, is to go to those in power, hence my post. I still maintain that censoring discussion about figures does NOT do anything to better this board, whatsoever. If Bill has stated that he'll only be here if we don't discuss bootlegs, I can understand making that decision to keep Bill around, but that's also just guessing really. Not being able to talk about wrestling figure news on a wrestling figure forum because the owner can't make any money off of it would be mind-numbingly stupid. There HAS to be more to it than that. Jack Specific? |
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Post by Jack Specific on May 25, 2016 22:05:41 GMT -5
No longer allowed.
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