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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 21, 2016 20:19:46 GMT -5
Cena's a terrible technician. Rollins on Jericho's podcast talked about John being the first guy to tell you he's clumsy in the ring. Cena is a physical specimen and a good talker, and he's super passionate, BUT, he's not a very good actual wrestler. He has good, even great, matches, but he's not smooth, and he doesn't apply moves correctly or even do them correctly most of the time. In other words, Cena's out there doing his very best but he's never going to be a ballerina in the ring. I've never thought Cena was a great athlete. He's got some athletic ability, and he's strong, but he reminds me of the guy in hockey you stick in front of the net to clean up rebounds because he's impossible to move but is a liability with the puck. Could Cena do it better? Maybe 5 or 6 years ago had he put the effort into it, but at this point he's an old dog that likely isn't learning a new trick, at least in that regard. It doesn't bother me. Cena's style plays incredibly well off of guys like AJ, Rollins, Punk, Bryan, where he can do his meat and potatoes and those other guys work a more Indy style. Plus, I think it's kind of useless to get bent out of shape over anything Cena does at this point in his career. That's always been my thing with Cena. Dude could have some awesome matches, but he looks so bad doing a lot of his offense. His STF is the worst submission I can recall. The springboard stunner was a cool idea but it looks so horrendous that it takes away from it. Even his code red looks bad. Like you said, he's a great specimen, but the things he does will never be pretty. It is kind of lame though that Austin told him to tighten up and he still didn't. Like, that's good advice. Agreed. A lot of his moves that he does just look so fake and unconvincing. The STF and AA/F-U both started out as fine moves, but they just eventually developed into looking extremely weak. I don't even know how to explain it. It's not like Cena is lazy; he just for whatever doesn't have any interest in doing anything to help make his moves look more legitimate. It's like his moves have gotten progressively worse-looking over the years if that makes any sense.
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Post by johnnyb on Jun 21, 2016 20:54:19 GMT -5
The short answer is, between the ropes John is not a very good wrestler.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jun 21, 2016 21:05:47 GMT -5
Cause he legit choked out Chris Masters the first time he did it. He legit choked Edge out at Unforgiven 06 as well. I think that definitely has a lot to do with it. A lot of guys have said that Cena doesn't know his own strength, I'm pretty sure Cena has said that himself.
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Post by RV F'N D on Jun 21, 2016 22:29:01 GMT -5
That move has always been a huge gripe for me when it comes to him. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think STF is supposed to stand for something like stepover toe-hold +front face lock. His looks like a dry hump/hug combo, not like something painful at all. And then that is compounded by his extreme facials, and then his opponent who unfortunately has to sell that nonsense looks bad too. I'm sure Austin isn't the only one who has given him good advice on it, but he refuses to make any effort to improve. For a guy that works as hard as he does it's odd to me, is it stubbornness or just flat out ego?
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Post by Miztery on Jun 22, 2016 1:33:44 GMT -5
He consistently puts on amazing matches now a days. I can't really bitch about anything he does anymore. He's the best all around performer WWE has. Only Jericho can even touch what Cena can do on the mic. I think people forget how good John is on the mic. It takes two to tango which is exactly why his feuds with Punk and Brock/Heyman were so good. They were built up both in the ring, and out of it.
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Post by Booger Red on Jun 22, 2016 2:06:19 GMT -5
I think the reason he doesn't apply it tighter is because he legitimately choked out Edge in their TLC match in Toronto. He definitely should apply more pressure, but he's probably worried about hurting someone if he does that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 5:31:47 GMT -5
'Cos he's a Superstar, not a wrestler.
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Post by KrimV on Jun 22, 2016 5:59:01 GMT -5
I've always thought Cena's STF looks like it legit twists the knee into bad positions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 6:07:58 GMT -5
I've always thought Cena's STF looks like it legit twists the knee into bad positions. Same, I have bad knees after some footy injuries, I cringe everytime I see him doing the STF. That said, I imagine after you have done the move 150,000 times, I guess you're too bored of it to care to do it picture perfect.
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Post by KrimV on Jun 22, 2016 6:34:22 GMT -5
Same, I have bad knees after some footy injuries, I cringe everytime I see him doing the STF. That said, I imagine after you have done the move 150,000 times, I guess you're too bored of it to care to do it picture perfect. I always figure that the vast majority of these guys have far more flexibility than your average guy, so their legs being twisted into uncommon positions wouldn't necessarily hurt them the way it might a regular guy.
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Post by K5 on Jun 22, 2016 9:21:29 GMT -5
Same, I have bad knees after some footy injuries, I cringe everytime I see him doing the STF. That said, I imagine after you have done the move 150,000 times, I guess you're too bored of it to care to do it picture perfect. I always figure that the vast majority of these guys have far more flexibility than your average guy, so their legs being twisted into uncommon positions wouldn't necessarily hurt them the way it might a regular guy. i think that's a bit of an exaggeration. a lot of wwe's wrestlers actually lack flexibility due to increased muscle mass...like john cena. as for his ring ability, it's lacked. it's always lacked. even his big 'great' matches have overall far more contribution from the talent he's facing - for example aj styles on sunday. made him look overall like a guy who's never really wrestled finally getting taken through the ringer. he's the face of the anti-wrestling movement.
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Post by T R W on Jun 22, 2016 9:25:03 GMT -5
Because Vince has never really valued technical skill in the ring, and never will. So it doesn't matter.
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Post by King Silva on Jun 22, 2016 9:41:28 GMT -5
I have no idea why his STF has always been sh*t. Whoever taught him that probably shakes their head every time they see him do it. He really has nothing on Jazz's STF. She would Trish (and others) up with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 11:11:07 GMT -5
He's not a great technician. That's all there is to it. Fantastic entertainer but awful technician lol he's been called out on it numerous times by Austin
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Post by Tyler Black on Jun 22, 2016 12:18:43 GMT -5
Cause he legit choked out Chris Masters the first time he did it. I thought it was edge? Either way yeah he's shoot choked guys out with it so I assume he takes it easy to be safe in the ring
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jun 22, 2016 12:35:01 GMT -5
there's a fine line between knowing the moves and knowing how to apply them properly. Lots of Cena's offense looks sloppy, but it doesn't hurt anyone. When he applied them properly, people get choked out. It happened to Edge on ppv. I applaud Cena for mixing it up, but he's no Kurt Angle. Not everything is going to look great.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jun 22, 2016 12:56:57 GMT -5
It's been like that for 11 years. It's not even a big deal anymore.
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Post by rob29 on Jun 22, 2016 17:51:10 GMT -5
It's been like that for 11 years. It's not even a big deal anymore. Yeah I guess your right, when he's being doing it for around a decade, I suppose you get used to it, but when he applied it to AJ, I literally thought it was the sloppiest STFU he'd ever done. Styles must have just felt a tickle on his chin that he wanted to scratch.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jun 22, 2016 22:01:29 GMT -5
It's been like that for 11 years. It's not even a big deal anymore. Yeah I guess your right, when he's being doing it for around a decade, I suppose you get used to it, but when he applied it to AJ, I literally thought it was the sloppiest STFU he'd ever done. Styles must have just felt a tickle on his chin that he wanted to scratch. Sometimes it looks worse and sometimes it looks somewhat alright but I mean I have no clue why it's so hard for him to do it. I understand when some of his stuff looks bad but for a crossface to look bad you have to literally not try at all.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jun 22, 2016 22:51:11 GMT -5
I've always assumed it was out of fear. His character was forced into a submission match with Chris Masters and Regal wasn't a huge deal yet so the STF worked. If you haven't seen him use it the first time, do watch. He had it perfect. So perfect it almost caused Masters to legit pass out.
However, the move stuck; but he loosened up tremendously after the Masters disaster and hasn't changed since.
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