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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jun 30, 2016 11:19:10 GMT -5
1) Please don't go off topic with what I am about to say, but this sort of proves Cena was never on anything. If a suspension and this can happen to Reigns, it can happen to Cena. As much as I can't stand Cena, at least he is a company man and didn't jeopardize his spot. if you don't want people to go off topic, don't state something that is both wrong and off topic. john cena started in bodybuilding. anyone can tell you that you cannot succeed within bodybuilding without SERIOUS amounts of steroids. he hasn't shrunk at all since then and he's nearly 40. anyone that does not think john cena is on steroids literally does not understand what the human body is capable of and not capable of and needs to do far more reading than writing on the subject. it's not even up for debate, and i'm not being a dick about it at all - READ about what the body can and can't do. that goes for triple h, big e, roman reigns,braun stroman, brock lesnar, and the list goes on. it is people with these naive, uneducated mindsets such as your own that allow steroids to be used to the degree they are and somehow, laughably to the educated, go unnoticed. nevermind the fact that it's far more likely, if not positively, a narcotic that roman reigns was caught for than steroids. There are legal performance enhancing drugs. The biggest reason WWE doesn't want the wrestlers using steroids is that they enlarge the heart (leading to serious heart problems) and effects on mood (roid rage). If everything Cena does is so impossible, explain how Bruno is still alive, well, and built like a machine. Bruno is 80 years old, if he had used steroids extensively and/or did them at a later age, he'd be dead by now. To add to that, Bruno shunned WWE (up until a few years ago) for turning a blind eye to steroid usage. Cena has always looked big, but he has never been unnaturally big, like a Guerrero or a Benoit. He is also using top of the line medical technology. |
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Post by K5 on Jun 30, 2016 11:19:48 GMT -5
if you don't want people to go off topic, don't state something that is both wrong and off topic. john cena started in bodybuilding. anyone can tell you that you cannot succeed within bodybuilding without SERIOUS amounts of steroids. he hasn't shrunk at all since then and he's nearly 40. anyone that does not think john cena is on steroids literally does not understand what the human body is capable of and not capable of and needs to do far more reading than writing on the subject. it's not even up for debate, and i'm not being a dick about it at all - READ about what the body can and can't do. that goes for triple h, big e, roman reigns,braun stroman, brock lesnar, and the list goes on. it is people with these naive, uneducated mindsets such as your own that allow steroids to be used to the degree they are and somehow, laughably to the educated, go unnoticed. nevermind the fact that it's far more likely, if not positively, a narcotic that roman reigns was caught for than steroids. You can get big without using steroids lmao it's a joke if you think you can't. It's called working out daily for hours, eating right and sticking to it. big? sure. have over 30 pounds of muscle and be under 15% fat year round for years on end despite injuries and the general limits of the human body? absolutely not. i have friends who are doctors that athletes literally come to and ask for the best ways to get around steroid testing. this guy talks in actual evidence and studies. if you want to get your head outta the sand, check it out: |
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 30, 2016 11:21:56 GMT -5
I wonder if the locker room fell asleep listening to Roman talk just like all the fans do every time he grabs a mic.
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Post by K5 on Jun 30, 2016 11:27:24 GMT -5
if you don't want people to go off topic, don't state something that is both wrong and off topic. john cena started in bodybuilding. anyone can tell you that you cannot succeed within bodybuilding without SERIOUS amounts of steroids. he hasn't shrunk at all since then and he's nearly 40. anyone that does not think john cena is on steroids literally does not understand what the human body is capable of and not capable of and needs to do far more reading than writing on the subject. it's not even up for debate, and i'm not being a dick about it at all - READ about what the body can and can't do. that goes for triple h, big e, roman reigns,braun stroman, brock lesnar, and the list goes on. it is people with these naive, uneducated mindsets such as your own that allow steroids to be used to the degree they are and somehow, laughably to the educated, go unnoticed. nevermind the fact that it's far more likely, if not positively, a narcotic that roman reigns was caught for than steroids. There are legal performance enhancing drugs. The biggest reason WWE doesn't want the wrestlers using steroids is that they enlarge the heart (leading to serious heart problems) and effects on mood (roid rage). If everything Cena does is so impossible, explain how Bruno is still alive, well, and built like a machine? Bruno is 80 years old, if he had used steroids extensively and/or did them at a later age, he'd be dead by now. To add to that, Bruno shunned WWE (up until a few years ago) for turning a blind eye to steroid usage. Cena has always looked big, but he has never been unnaturally big, like a Guerrero or a Benoit. He is also using top of the line medical technology. when was bruno ever 10% body fat or less? i never said you couldn't be a brick craphouse - bruno is a fantastic example of what one can accomplish without drugs. he's also looking far older these days, as he should. those photos of him still lifting are like a decade old now. there is no evidence that steroids enlarge the heart in all users. in fact, just having low blood pressure can enlargen the heart. there are tons of steroid users admittedly on the gear in their 50s, so that point is null and void. if people used them at an older age and they'd be dead, please explain to me the massive popularity of trt (testosterone replacement therapy), that is used massively by older males? never mind the fact that most people on pumping iron, arnold's movie all about guys being on massive amounts of steroids, are still alive. this is the exact type of naivety i was talking about. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 11:46:04 GMT -5
It's definitely fair to make him apologise considering his unearned position in the company.
On the topic of steroids. There are definitely instances where it's clear people have been using them, Cena is a very curious case though. The thing with him is that he has never changed size or been any more/less ripped. Which makes me wonder if he is natural, because on steroids unless you abuse them he has to cycle them and he'd definitely change percentage in body fat and go up and down in terms of weight, I don't believe he'd maintain his size for so long. Maybe he just has freak genetics and does use steroids but is lucky and doesn't reduce in size during off periods.
You have to remember everyone is different and our body's are all capable of different things.
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Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jun 30, 2016 12:02:00 GMT -5
There are legal performance enhancing drugs. The biggest reason WWE doesn't want the wrestlers using steroids is that they enlarge the heart (leading to serious heart problems) and effects on mood (roid rage). If everything Cena does is so impossible, explain how Bruno is still alive, well, and built like a machine? Bruno is 80 years old, if he had used steroids extensively and/or did them at a later age, he'd be dead by now. To add to that, Bruno shunned WWE (up until a few years ago) for turning a blind eye to steroid usage. Cena has always looked big, but he has never been unnaturally big, like a Guerrero or a Benoit. He is also using top of the line medical technology. when was bruno ever 10% body fat or less? i never said you couldn't be a brick crap house - bruno is a fantastic example of what one can accomplish without drugs. he's also looking far older these days, as he should. those photos of him still lifting are like a decade old now. there is no evidence that steroids enlarge the heart in all users. in fact, just having low blood pressure can enlargen the heart. there are tons of steroid users admittedly on the gear in their 50s, so that point is null and void. if people used them at an older age and they'd be dead, please explain to me the massive popularity of trt (testosterone replacement therapy), that is used massively by older males? never mind the fact that most people on pumping iron, arnold's movie all about guys being on massive amounts of steroids, are still alive. this is the exact type of naivety i was talking about. TRT happens under a doctor's watch and bodybuilders aren't using it, rather the guys with have actual testosterone problems are. They don't have conclusive evidence that steroids do cause heart enlargement, due to the high cost to do such testing to a live subject. However, a lot of steroid users have enlarged hearts upon death, hence why it is normally associated with steroid use. Also, a lot of steroid users become afflicted with heart problems. How else did Chris Benoit's heart grow to be three times larger than it should have been? Only one of the guys in Pumping Iron is nearly the size they were in 1977. They also probably had treatment done over the years. Hell, Ferrigno is the only one aside from Schwarzenegger still in the public eye. I also believe it is safe to assume your friend isn't dealing with many professional athletes, nor is he a doctor at the forefront of medical science. This is Bruno three years ago:  |
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jun 30, 2016 12:13:12 GMT -5
While it was the right thing to do and apologize to the lock room i think he should of done it by himself. Making him do it doesn't mean the same
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jun 30, 2016 12:16:03 GMT -5
How is it abit much? Dude has been handed EVERYTHING that the others could only dream of. And he still screws up. I don't know.. It all depends on what he was taking. If it was steroids then the argument could be made that he was doing whatever he could to better himself for the show. That definitely wouldn't excuse it, but I think it would cast what happened in a different light. He messed up. There's no denying or minimizing that, but trying to better his performance is a bit different than just getting high. |
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Post by powerfred3k on Jun 30, 2016 12:27:10 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks if you get suspended for drugs you should not be rewarded with still being in the next ppv ? It just shows how ridiculous wwe is sometimes.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jun 30, 2016 12:31:11 GMT -5
They should not have had to "make" him apologize. He should have been a big enough man to apologize on his own.
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Post by Cane Dewey Riley on Jun 30, 2016 12:38:05 GMT -5
Maybe he can get in touch with his "family side" when he returns and put on some face paint and join the Usos in that dance they do when they come out. That'd be funny.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 12:39:18 GMT -5
Interesting that it was forced down by Triple H.... because we all remember what happened back in 1996 with Triple H having to take the heat over the Kliq Farewell message at MSG. Maybe Triple H is hoping Roman will learn from that and eventually grow from it, and not make that mistake ever again. It could all be a learning lesson at the end of the day! So you're telling me that coming soon to MSG Roman and his buddies are breaking kayfabe? Hopefully it's the usos leaving for tna. |
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Post by K5 on Jun 30, 2016 12:40:31 GMT -5
when was bruno ever 10% body fat or less? i never said you couldn't be a brick crap house - bruno is a fantastic example of what one can accomplish without drugs. he's also looking far older these days, as he should. those photos of him still lifting are like a decade old now. there is no evidence that steroids enlarge the heart in all users. in fact, just having low blood pressure can enlargen the heart. there are tons of steroid users admittedly on the gear in their 50s, so that point is null and void. if people used them at an older age and they'd be dead, please explain to me the massive popularity of trt (testosterone replacement therapy), that is used massively by older males? never mind the fact that most people on pumping iron, arnold's movie all about guys being on massive amounts of steroids, are still alive. this is the exact type of naivety i was talking about. TRT happens under a doctor's watch and bodybuilders aren't using it, rather the guys with have actual testosterone problems are. They don't have conclusive evidence that steroids do cause heart enlargement, due to the high cost to do such testing to a live subject. However, a lot of steroid users have enlarged hearts upon death, hence why it is normally associated with steroid use. Also, a lot of steroid users become afflicted with heart problems. How else did Chris Benoit's heart grow to be three times larger than it should have been? Only one of the guys in Pumping Iron is nearly the size they were in 1977. They also probably had treatment done over the years. Hell, Ferrigno is the only one aside from Schwarzenegger still in the public eye. I also believe it is safe to assume your friend isn't dealing with many professional athletes, nor is he a doctor at the forefront of medical science. This is Bruno three years ago: benoit was tested for using hgh and ghb. hgh is directly linked with the enlargement of the heart. it is a hormone...not a steroid. you said earlier that cena uses 'legal supplements' - i was assuming you meant prohormones. if not, what are some examples of these legal supplements? because anything with true anabolic properties are banned so... that is awesome that bruno still looks like that. fantastic genetics for sure, but the likelihood of him being on trt is pretty damn high too. nevertheless, he never had a physique like a bodybuilders whatsoever. more of a powerlifting physique. he is a beast of a man no doubt who's strength is legendary. notice how al snow is suddenly ripped again? notice how the ufc had massive issues with trt since guys were coming back in their 40s more ripped than they were 20 years before? professional bodybuilders all have doctors. doctors have them at their shows and get regular checkups... my friend deals mostly with people in the cfl. we'll call that semi professional.  trt is what bodybuilders are doing exactly. it's literally testosterone. people use different dosages for different goals...but people on trt are on steroids. please view the video that is on page 1 i posted. it sums up the scientific viewpoint of what is and what isn't possible and uses examples. john cena far exceeds what is reasonable, even with extensive training and amazing genetics. |
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Post by ohernan6 on Jun 30, 2016 13:18:33 GMT -5
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Post by Chip on Jun 30, 2016 13:21:39 GMT -5
copying what i posted on wreddit good. he should have. this guy walks around with the  ing WORLD absolutely handed to him and he needs to chemically enhance himself? now personally i couldnt care less about athletes doing 'roids or peds or whatever...thats their choice. but the FACT is that the stuff is "illegal" and it's against company policy. so if you're dumb enough to do it, you should suffer the consequences how many wrestlers have busted their asses night in and night out to just TRY and get 1/8th of the kind of treatment Reigns was getting for the past 2 years, only to get shuffled to 50/50 booking hell and basically become a guy who's there and wrestles....while Reigns for no reason other than Vince McMahon, gets the entire company handed to him on a silver plate....but he goes and does this? And will probably be back to the top right away when his suspension is over. While all the guys he just apologized to will continue to flourish in the mid-card because they aren't samoan or related to the rock |
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Post by ohernan6 on Jun 30, 2016 13:27:49 GMT -5
copying what i posted on wreddit good. he should have. this guy walks around with the ing WORLD absolutely handed to him and he needs to chemically enhance himself? now personally i couldnt care less about athletes doing 'roids or peds or whatever...thats their choice. but the FACT is that the stuff is "illegal" and it's against company policy. so if you're dumb enough to do it, you should suffer the consequences how many wrestlers have busted their asses night in and night out to just TRY and get 1/8th of the kind of treatment Reigns was getting for the past 2 years, only to get shuffled to 50/50 booking hell and basically become a guy who's there and wrestles....while Reigns for no reason other than Vince McMahon, gets the entire company handed to him on a silver plate....but he goes and does this? And will probably be back to the top right away when his suspension is over. While all the guys he just apologized to will continue to flourish in the mid-card because they aren't samoan or related to the rock  |
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Post by havoc7179 on Jun 30, 2016 13:46:45 GMT -5
copying what i posted on wreddit good. he should have. this guy walks around with the ing WORLD absolutely handed to him and he needs to chemically enhance himself? now personally i couldnt care less about athletes doing 'roids or peds or whatever...thats their choice. but the FACT is that the stuff is "illegal" and it's against company policy. so if you're dumb enough to do it, you should suffer the consequences how many wrestlers have busted their asses night in and night out to just TRY and get 1/8th of the kind of treatment Reigns was getting for the past 2 years, only to get shuffled to 50/50 booking hell and basically become a guy who's there and wrestles....while Reigns for no reason other than Vince McMahon, gets the entire company handed to him on a silver plate....but he goes and does this? And will probably be back to the top right away when his suspension is over. While all the guys he just apologized to will continue to flourish in the mid-card because they aren't samoan or related to the rock Did RVD apologize for his issue? If not, I'm thinking that this wellness violation was more serious than thought. If my memory is correct, RVD's incident happened while WWE/ECW Champion as did Reigns. RVD's was marijuana, and I don't recall him ever being forced to apologize. Now, he may have done so on his own, but I don't remember. I just remember him being sent back to the midcard statu--which is where Reigns should be sent to. If he's good, he'll be able to grab that brass ring that has been previously gifted and delivered on a silver platter to him. |
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jun 30, 2016 14:04:58 GMT -5
Did RVD apologize for his issue? If not, I'm thinking that this wellness violation was more serious than thought. If my memory is correct, RVD's incident happened while WWE/ECW Champion as did Reigns. RVD's was marijuana, and I don't recall him ever being forced to apologize. Now, he may have done so on his own, but I don't remember. I just remember him being sent back to the midcard statu--which is where Reigns should be sent to. If he's good, he'll be able to grab that brass ring that has been previously gifted and delivered on a silver platter to him. Even if they did bump him down the card, which they won't, he'd be back in the main event when this blows over in a few months. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 14:07:01 GMT -5
Think the Usos said something corny like "No doubt, Uce" then gave him an exaggerated handshake/hug? You my friend, are on a roll today. |
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