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Post by marino13 on Jun 30, 2016 14:12:53 GMT -5
Last thing anyone here should do is talk in absolutes when nobody here knows anything for sure. We don't know what Roman took. We don't know who is or isn't on steroids. We can assume all we want, but that doesn't make it a fact. Unless you sold it to them or watched them do it, you're assuming.
I fully support Roman being forced to apologize regardless of what he took. If he's going to man up and take responsibility for it, then he needs to suffer the humiliation that goes along with it.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jun 30, 2016 14:17:30 GMT -5
"In summary bros, I'm not a good guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm THE GUY."
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Post by K5 on Jun 30, 2016 14:28:32 GMT -5
Last thing anyone here should do is talk in absolutes when nobody here knows anything for sure. We don't know what Roman took. We don't know who is or isn't on steroids. We can assume all we want, but that doesn't make it a fact. Unless you sold it to them or watched them do it, you're assuming. if you saw someone staggering around at 2am that was falling over and laughing, and singing to themselves, would it be fair to assume they're intoxicated? some assumptions are deeply based around facts and science...which are fairly concrete in legitimacy. for conversation's sake, if roman indeed did have to apologize to the rest of the back it makes me personally inclined to think it was narcotics etc. triple h has clearly used steroids etc, so it would be kind of bizarre for him to respond in that fashion to roman if he was using them...while steroids are unfortunately part of the wrestling world, cocaine and other narcotics have lost their place and are highly condemned for their top athletes - similar to jon jones in the ufc's handling.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 30, 2016 14:31:57 GMT -5
Last thing anyone here should do is talk in absolutes when nobody here knows anything for sure. We don't know what Roman took. We don't know who is or isn't on steroids. We can assume all we want, but that doesn't make it a fact. Unless you sold it to them or watched them do it, you're assuming. if you saw someone staggering around at 2am that was falling over and laughing, and singing to themselves, would it be fair to assume they're intoxicated? some assumptions are deeply based around facts and science...which are fairly concrete in legitimacy. for conversation's sake, if roman indeed did have to apologize to the rest of the back it makes me personally inclined to think it was narcotics etc. triple h has clearly used steroids etc, so it would be kind of bizarre for him to respond in that fashion to roman if he was using them...while steroids are unfortunately part of the wrestling world, cocaine and other narcotics have lost their place and are highly condemned for their top athletes - similar to jon jones in the ufc's handling. Unless I served him the alcohol or saw him drinking it, I can assume he was drunk. But I wouldn't know for sure.
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Post by PJ on Jun 30, 2016 14:50:50 GMT -5
Last thing anyone here should do is talk in absolutes when nobody here knows anything for sure. We don't know what Roman took. We don't know who is or isn't on steroids. We can assume all we want, but that doesn't make it a fact. Unless you sold it to them or watched them do it, you're assuming. I fully support Roman being forced to apologize regardless of what he took. If he's going to man up and take responsibility for it, then he needs to suffer the humiliation that goes along with it. Exactly unless you actually run the tests or were in the room when someone took them there is no way you can say for sure what or what not someone took. As for Roman being forced to apologize...Yes, he needed to do this. I just wish Roman would have felt the need to apologize on his own as that would have gone a long way. Last thing anyone here should do is talk in absolutes when nobody here knows anything for sure. We don't know what Roman took. We don't know who is or isn't on steroids. We can assume all we want, but that doesn't make it a fact. Unless you sold it to them or watched them do it, you're assuming. if you saw someone staggering around at 2am that was falling over and laughing, and singing to themselves, would it be fair to assume they're intoxicated? some assumptions are deeply based around facts and science...which are fairly concrete in legitimacy. Or it could just as easily be someone with diabetes suffering from low blood sugar. As someone with type 2 diabetes that happened to me a couple times before I was diagnosed. People thought I was intoxicated and I haven't drunk anything other than water or an occasional orange juice since I was 18 or 19.
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Post by DeadlyGame on Jun 30, 2016 14:54:43 GMT -5
I have to think, to an extent, this serves WWE right. He was their forced hand-picked champion that they pushed to the moon that so many didn't want. Seeing how they treat their workers and only push who the fans want when they have no choice, this blew up in their face.
I'm not blaming WWE for what Roman did, but if there's such a thing as karma, here's an example.
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Post by cmiller79 on Jun 30, 2016 15:17:06 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with them making him apologize to the whole roster If a football player or a basketball player s up they have to apologize to the whole team Same thing
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Post by K5 on Jun 30, 2016 15:27:48 GMT -5
Last thing anyone here should do is talk in absolutes when nobody here knows anything for sure. We don't know what Roman took. We don't know who is or isn't on steroids. We can assume all we want, but that doesn't make it a fact. Unless you sold it to them or watched them do it, you're assuming. I fully support Roman being forced to apologize regardless of what he took. If he's going to man up and take responsibility for it, then he needs to suffer the humiliation that goes along with it. Exactly unless you actually run the tests or were in the room when someone took them there is no way you can say for sure what or what not someone took. As for Roman being forced to apologize...Yes, he needed to do this. I just wish Roman would have felt the need to apologize on his own as that would have gone a long way. if you saw someone staggering around at 2am that was falling over and laughing, and singing to themselves, would it be fair to assume they're intoxicated? some assumptions are deeply based around facts and science...which are fairly concrete in legitimacy. Or it could just as easily be someone with diabetes suffering from low blood sugar. As someone with type 2 diabetes that happened to me a couple times before I was diagnosed. People thought I was intoxicated and I haven't drunk anything other than water or an occasional orange juice since I was 18 or 19. the tests are easily beaten and don't really work...hence the reason athletes do them. if you mess up, it usually comes down to that your math sucked and you didn't do them at the right time or that you accidentally took a supplement that contains them. there are ways around these tests. hence the reason why people like simeon panda and mike o'hearn can claim they're natty when they're essentially dripping the juice. as for your example...somehow i'd think that would by far be the minority of cases. but fair enough.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jun 30, 2016 15:56:10 GMT -5
I'm sure wrestler court was in session.
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Post by ohernan6 on Jun 30, 2016 16:09:42 GMT -5
I'm sure wrestler court was in session. I wonder if wrestler court even happens these days... Today's wrestlers don't really look like tough guys who lay down the law physically...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 20:36:52 GMT -5
Don't even know what he did. Personally I don't consider PED cheating in a predetermined entertainment form. It's no different than Stallone juicing openly for Rocky movies. The only reason Vince is hard on any kind of PED is because the government held a witch hunt for him 20 years ago. Wrestlers use steroids? Who really cares? Why should anyone care? It's their bodies.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jun 30, 2016 22:03:25 GMT -5
Don't even know what he did. Personally I don't consider PED cheating in a predetermined entertainment form. It's no different than Stallone juicing openly for Rocky movies. The only reason Vince is hard on any kind of PED is because the government held a witch hunt for him 20 years ago. Wrestlers use steroids? Who really cares? Why should anyone care? It's their bodies. Well...aside from the whole long-term health problems up to and including premature death thing, it's a character thing. I stated earlier that THE guy needs to be held to a higher standard. The face of the company is basically a defacto role model for kids all over the world. WWE is a publicly traded company, superstars do a lot of community outreach. THE guy even moreso. THE guy needs to be squeaky clean, its part of the requirements for such a position. THE guy can't be getting drunk in public and pissing in an alley, THE guy can't be a dick to fans looking for an autograph, THE guy can't be getting popped for a wellness violation. The whole facade crumbles. Reigns has a responsibility to be basically bulletproof to the public while carrying the company on his back. He failed. We don't know what he was nabbed for, and likely we never will...but he clearly did something wrong. Well, that and the whole long term health problems up to and including death thing....but if you don't care about his health, that's your business.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 0:10:26 GMT -5
I don't really care about his health. It's his choice to do what he wants. He violated his company policy. That's on him. I don't understand what he needed PEDS for anyway. We never see him shirtless and arms are the easiest part to train. Plus he has a hernia surgery scar under that vest of his. I don't understand his motivation to use PEDS if in fact that's what he uses. He's on top because he was given the position. He won. Didn't even have to compete for it.
I hope it's coke or some kind of upper that he felt he needed to maintain the schedule as champion. I just can't see it being a PED. You don't need to enhance your performance in a pre determined fight. You do need it for cosmetic value but he wears a vest. Oh well. He'll be champion again at Wrestlemania.
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Jul 1, 2016 5:44:32 GMT -5
I don't really care about his health. It's his choice to do what he wants. He violated his company policy. That's on him. I don't understand what he needed PEDS for anyway. We never see him shirtless and arms are the easiest part to train. Plus he has a hernia surgery scar under that vest of his. I don't understand his motivation to use PEDS if in fact that's what he uses. He's on top because he was given the position. He won. Didn't even have to compete for it. I hope it's coke or some kind of upper that he felt he needed to maintain the schedule as champion. I just can't see it being a PED. You don't need to enhance your performance in a pre determined fight. You do need it for cosmetic value but he wears a vest. Oh well. He'll be champion again at Wrestlemania. Umaga and regal both got busted for roids at one point.. they can be used for more than just getting big or cut....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 10:30:47 GMT -5
while on the topic of people who may or may not have taken narcotics/steroids would the big guy! just a guess?
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 1, 2016 12:00:35 GMT -5
lol at everyone assuming anyone with muscle is on roids.....hit the gym, people, it's really not that hard to get big. Lift heavy weighs and stop going to McDonalds 9 times a day.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 1, 2016 12:40:50 GMT -5
Figured this is as good a place as any...
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Post by K5 on Jul 1, 2016 13:19:30 GMT -5
lol at everyone assuming anyone with muscle is on roids.....hit the gym, people, it's really not that hard to get big. Lift heavy weighs and stop going to McDonalds 9 times a day. with totally no offense meant, i'm willing to bet i have far lower fat and a higher amount of muscle on my frame in comparison to you. i do hit the gym regularly - hence the reason i'm more informed on the subject than your average wrestling fan. which makes me wonder, how much did you possibly hit a gym yourself in order to state something so clearly untrue? i don't understand how someone with no experience or direct knowledge on a subject can try to comment on it like you did...YOU should hit the gym, and realize what is possible and what isn't. you can achieve great things BUT... ...there are limits to the body. everyone can be muscular, but there are most certainly limits to how muscular they can be. genetics, training and proper diet all play a massive part, but when you're looking at someone like ryback or brock lesnar it's more a case of you rather don't know or don't want to know the truth. and by not understanding, or even being willing to understand the realities around these guys' drug use, you're condoning it by making it possible for the public to be in denial.
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Post by DeadlyGame on Jul 1, 2016 14:29:12 GMT -5
I read Vince wants to do a redemption storyline to get Reigns back up and over as a face.
You know, Vince, you could always do a double turn with Roman and Seth instead of forcing the former on the fans.
Vince still knows how to market a company and keep his workers in line, but he's no longer the writer or booker he once was.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 14:58:15 GMT -5
Everyone's an expert nowadays.
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