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Post by Kollector_Kombat on Jul 15, 2016 20:01:30 GMT -5
People complaining that Brock is 'Innocent until proven guilty' or blaming his sickness are nuts. Any time USADA flags anyone it always comes out that they were right 100% of the time. They'll probably turn over the win to a no contest and deduct a nice chunk if his purse and give it to Hunt.
I'm sure Mark would want a rematch after this news. Dude's undefeated in all his rematches.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 15, 2016 20:48:32 GMT -5
Hunt has said he wants half of Lesnar's purse or to be released from the UFC immediately... can't really blame the guy - if Brock's tests are indeed positive, this will be the THIRD time he's fought someone on the juice.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 15, 2016 22:22:00 GMT -5
www.mmafighting.com/2016/6/20/11980824/brock-lesnar-tested-by-usada-five-times-in-two-weeksHere's an article from a little under a month ago that states Brock was tested about 5 times in the two weeks following the announcement that he was fighting at UFC 200. I assume we would have gotten news of a failed test by now. And it doesn't appear that he was tested at all during the standard four-month waiting period that most fighters would have... he was obviously tested pretty extensively in the weeks leading up to the fight though. Guess its moot now. Would love to know how he was extensively tested 2 weeks before the fight with no positives and then his after fight sample is.  People complaining that Brock is 'Innocent until proven guilty' or blaming his sickness are nuts. Any time USADA flags anyone it always comes out that they were right 100% of the time. They'll probably turn over the win to a no contest and deduct a nice chunk if his purse and give it to Hunt. I'm sure Mark would want a rematch after this news. Dude's undefeated in all his rematches. I'll be interested to see what happens. Could UFC make Brock forfeit the entire purse? He cheated. Hunt has said he wants half of Lesnar's purse or to be released from the UFC immediately... can't really blame the guy - if Brock's tests are indeed positive, this will be the THIRD time he's fought someone on the juice. I'd have asked for 74% and settle on 50. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 22:25:40 GMT -5
A true "warrior" doesn't complain about the unfair advantages of his opponent. He overcomes. But atheletes aren't real warriors.
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Post by Kollector_Kombat on Jul 15, 2016 22:32:20 GMT -5
A true "warrior" doesn't complain about the unfair advantages of his opponent. He overcomes. But atheletes aren't real warriors. After it's happend 3 times, you'd expect the top company that promotes the sport to have their shyt together. It's a hazard for their health to go up against a Juice Head. He could've taken major head damage and possible had his career ended because a guy decided to juice and cheat. ANYBODY, that steps in a cage and decides to fight is the epitome of a modern day warrior. @ CM Showstopper, as nice as that would be I don't see it happening. He showed and fought. He's entitled to some pay. |
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 16, 2016 0:35:54 GMT -5
Hunt has said he wants half of Lesnar's purse or to be released from the UFC immediately... can't really blame the guy - if Brock's tests are indeed positive, this will be the THIRD time he's fought someone on the juice. And frankly that should be it for Lesnar. |
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 16, 2016 2:13:38 GMT -5
Hunt has said he wants half of Lesnar's purse or to be released from the UFC immediately... can't really blame the guy - if Brock's tests are indeed positive, this will be the THIRD time he's fought someone on the juice. And frankly that should be it for Lesnar. ....I meant third time Hunt has fought someone on the juice (bad wording, sorry!). This would still be Lesnar's first fail... I think it's 9 months suspension for a first offence. |
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 16, 2016 2:43:10 GMT -5
A true "warrior" doesn't complain about the unfair advantages of his opponent. He overcomes. But atheletes aren't real warriors. This is the dumbest post I've read so far in the issue. Thanks! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 3:02:42 GMT -5
A true "warrior" doesn't complain about the unfair advantages of his opponent. He overcomes. But atheletes aren't real warriors. This is the dumbest post I've read so far in the issue. Thanks! warriors are Marines. Soldiers. Not athletes. People who go to actual war and get in real fights unlike coward civilians. |
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 16, 2016 3:47:50 GMT -5
This is the dumbest post I've read so far in the issue. Thanks! warriors are Marines. Soldiers. Not athletes. People who go to actual war and get in real fights unlike coward civilians.
noun: warrior;
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(especially in former times) a brave or experienced soldier or fighter.
"the warrior heroes of ancient Greece"
synonyms: fighter, soldier, fighting man, serviceman, combatant; brave
"fearsome warriors" |
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Post by Kollector_Kombat on Jul 16, 2016 4:26:26 GMT -5
warriors are Marines. Soldiers. Not athletes. People who go to actual war and get in real fights unlike coward civilians.
noun: warrior;
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(especially in former times) a brave or experienced soldier or fighter.
"the warrior heroes of ancient Greece"
synonyms: fighter, soldier, fighting man, serviceman, combatant; brave
"fearsome warriors" |
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 18, 2016 23:14:31 GMT -5
Man whitezilla brock done made his skrilla. More than all them mother  ers and he dont even travel. He get paid, laid, sportin a fade. I aint worried bout him. White boy gotta juice cuz his genes wont bulge in that weight room ya feel me? My homeboy Jones be aight too. He get banned years and he still be a youngin. Knockin down all them boys. They frayd. Thats it. They frayd. Only way they beat him is makin him pee in that cup. They dont knock him down in that cage. Thats whats up ...could anyone translate this into English...? |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 25, 2016 23:01:07 GMT -5
I love how Mark Hunt is threatening to sue. I think he has VERY solid ground. He is also claiming conspiracy since Brock was granted an exemption. UFC could have forced him into testing.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 26, 2016 1:59:57 GMT -5
I love how Mark Hunt is threatening to sue. I think he has VERY solid ground. He is also claiming conspiracy since Brock was granted an exemption. UFC could have forced him into testing. ...to be fair, the test results they got back before UFC 200 were all negative (I think he passed about 5?). The only thing the UFC could have done was to say Brock couldn't fight until he'd been in the USADA testing-pool for 4 months. And we all know the loop-hole there. But you can't blame Hunt for trying to get every penny he can from this situation... at the same time though, he did say he believed Brock was "juiced to the gills" when he took the fight and kind of brushed it off, saying he'd still knock him out anyway. If he really thought Brock was juiced though, he didn't have to take the fight... it kind of seems like sour grapes now - being OK with it beforehand, then kicking up a fuss after he lost. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 26, 2016 17:26:13 GMT -5
I love how Mark Hunt is threatening to sue. I think he has VERY solid ground. He is also claiming conspiracy since Brock was granted an exemption. UFC could have forced him into testing. ...to be fair, the test results they got back before UFC 200 were all negative (I think he passed about 5?). The only thing the UFC could have done was to say Brock couldn't fight until he'd been in the USADA testing-pool for 4 months. And we all know the loop-hole there. But you can't blame Hunt for trying to get every penny he can from this situation... at the same time though, he did say he believed Brock was "juiced to the gills" when he took the fight and kind of brushed it off, saying he'd still knock him out anyway. If he really thought Brock was juiced though, he didn't have to take the fight... it kind of seems like sour grapes now - being OK with it beforehand, then kicking up a fuss after he lost. C'mon man! So is Hunt supposed to put his career on hold bc of what he "thinks"?! Its UFC's job to make sure that fighters who are on PEDs are not in that octagon. Its not sour grapes. These fighters have to trust the place they work not to put them in these type of situations. Its not fair to lay this at Hunt's feet. Can you imagine if he backed out of every fight when he thought someone was juicing? Eventually, UFC would just terminate his contract or not book him to fight anymore. A lot of people have suspected Lesnar of being on PEDs for YEARS. Just to be on the safe side, he should have never been granted an exemption. As far as the tests Brock passed....fact is athletes will always be ahead of the tests finding ways to mask their results. Anyone who knows the world of professional sports knows that cheaters are always ahead of the game. I dont believe steroids are out of baseball. I think there are players still on them, just finding ways to beat the test. I think these promotions or leagues or what have you....need to just do their due dilligence when it comes to testing. The system will never be perfect, but you should do everything in your power to ensure the level playing field. Clearly, UFC did NOT do that. |
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 27, 2016 1:24:17 GMT -5
...to be fair, the test results they got back before UFC 200 were all negative (I think he passed about 5?). The only thing the UFC could have done was to say Brock couldn't fight until he'd been in the USADA testing-pool for 4 months. And we all know the loop-hole there. But you can't blame Hunt for trying to get every penny he can from this situation... at the same time though, he did say he believed Brock was "juiced to the gills" when he took the fight and kind of brushed it off, saying he'd still knock him out anyway. If he really thought Brock was juiced though, he didn't have to take the fight... it kind of seems like sour grapes now - being OK with it beforehand, then kicking up a fuss after he lost. C'mon man! So is Hunt supposed to put his career on hold bc of what he "thinks"?! Its UFC's job to make sure that fighters who are on PEDs are not in that octagon. Its not sour grapes. These fighters have to trust the place they work not to put them in these type of situations. Its not fair to lay this at Hunt's feet. Can you imagine if he backed out of every fight when he thought someone was juicing? Eventually, UFC would just terminate his contract or not book him to fight anymore. ...I don't/didn't expect him to not take the fight - but to seem cool with Brock possibly on steroids before the fight and kind of brush it off, then kick up such a fuss afterwards seems a bit of a u-turn. I mean, he never said anything like this - or wanted half their purse - after he BEAT Mir and Bigfoot... both of whom were on steroids/failed their drug-tests. Don't get me wrong, I freaking love Hunt - he's one of my favourite fighters and always will be... I do think he's exploiting this situation because of Brock's massive pay-day and the fact it's all so high profile. If he can get more $$$ from it though, good luck to him. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 27, 2016 21:47:00 GMT -5
C'mon man! So is Hunt supposed to put his career on hold bc of what he "thinks"?! Its UFC's job to make sure that fighters who are on PEDs are not in that octagon. Its not sour grapes. These fighters have to trust the place they work not to put them in these type of situations. Its not fair to lay this at Hunt's feet. Can you imagine if he backed out of every fight when he thought someone was juicing? Eventually, UFC would just terminate his contract or not book him to fight anymore. ...I don't/didn't expect him to not take the fight - but to seem cool with Brock possibly on steroids before the fight and kind of brush it off, then kick up such a fuss afterwards seems a bit of a u-turn. I mean, he never said anything like this - or wanted half their purse - after he BEAT Mir and Bigfoot... both of whom were on steroids/failed their drug-tests. Don't get me wrong, I freaking love Hunt - he's one of my favourite fighters and always will be... I do think he's exploiting this situation because of Brock's massive pay-day and the fact it's all so high profile. If he can get more $$$ from it though, good luck to him. I 100% agree on the exploitation of Brock and the fact that had he won, he might not have said anything. Yes it seems somewhat hypocritical that he is upset on this fight cuz this one he lost....but it doesnt change the fact the man cannot just "refuse every fight against guys he thinks is juicing". Nor does it change the fact that he did step into cage with a juiced fighter. |
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 28, 2016 0:47:37 GMT -5
...I don't/didn't expect him to not take the fight - but to seem cool with Brock possibly on steroids before the fight and kind of brush it off, then kick up such a fuss afterwards seems a bit of a u-turn. I mean, he never said anything like this - or wanted half their purse - after he BEAT Mir and Bigfoot... both of whom were on steroids/failed their drug-tests. Don't get me wrong, I freaking love Hunt - he's one of my favourite fighters and always will be... I do think he's exploiting this situation because of Brock's massive pay-day and the fact it's all so high profile. If he can get more $$$ from it though, good luck to him. I 100% agree on the exploitation of Brock and the fact that had he won, he might not have said anything. Yes it seems somewhat hypocritical that he is upset on this fight cuz this one he lost....but it doesnt change the fact the man cannot just "refuse every fight against guys he thinks is juicing". Nor does it change the fact that he did step into cage with a juiced fighter. True... and this is the THIRD time he's fought someone recently who failed their USADA test, so he does have every right to be pi$$ed - I mean, he's potentially putting his life on the line here, against people who have an unfair advantage. Not to mention, Brock was getting $2.5m to his $700K - and he (Hunt) was the clean fighter... that has to sting. I just hope they can compensate Hunt or come to some sort of arrangement... I'd hate to see him retire/leave the UFC over this mess. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 28, 2016 18:17:32 GMT -5
I 100% agree on the exploitation of Brock and the fact that had he won, he might not have said anything. Yes it seems somewhat hypocritical that he is upset on this fight cuz this one he lost....but it doesnt change the fact the man cannot just "refuse every fight against guys he thinks is juicing". Nor does it change the fact that he did step into cage with a juiced fighter. True... and this is the THIRD time he's fought someone recently who failed their USADA test, so he does have every right to be pi$$ed - I mean, he's potentially putting his life on the line here, against people who have an unfair advantage. Not to mention, Brock was getting $2.5m to his $700K - and he (Hunt) was the clean fighter... that has to sting. I just hope they can compensate Hunt or come to some sort of arrangement... I'd hate to see him retire/leave the UFC over this mess. I agree. The one thing Hunt did have going for him is he had nothing to lose. He was supposed to lose. If he could have beaten Lesnar, dude when have become an overnight superstar. |
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