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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 14, 2016 18:32:40 GMT -5
So Lesnar ended up getting an exemption from testing before UFC 200. The reason stated was because when he retired, USADA wasnt testing UFC fighters. Now retired fighters who want to come back have to give a 4 month notice before being able to return so they can be properly put into the pool.
No wonder Mark Hunt screamed holy hell.
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Post by Kollector_Kombat on Jul 14, 2016 19:55:17 GMT -5
This was already known in advance. And supposedly after this was first reported he was tested 4-5 times. I dunno if there's any truth behind that though.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 14, 2016 20:02:27 GMT -5
...not strictly true, bud. The UFC has a rule that states a fighter must inform the promotion four months in advance if he or she is coming out of retirement so that the fighter can be placed back in the USADA testing pool. Obviously they couldn't do that with Brock - but he was tested six times in the four weeks before UFC 200. The UFC gave him an exemption, because he didn't retire while USADA was running the UFC's anti-doping problem and a long time had passed since he'd stepped away. Basically, they treated him as if he were a new athlete just signed. Also, Brock will continue to be tested until he informs USADA that he has retired from competing in the UFC.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 14, 2016 21:33:48 GMT -5
This was already known in advance. And supposedly after this was first reported he was tested 4-5 times. I dunno if there's any truth behind that though. Even if he was, he could easily have begun a roid cycle after. They said it was 4 months prior to the fight. ...not strictly true, bud. The UFC has a rule that states a fighter must inform the promotion four months in advance if he or she is coming out of retirement so that the fighter can be placed back in the USADA testing pool. Obviously they couldn't do that with Brock - but he was tested six times in the four weeks before UFC 200. The UFC gave him an exemption, because he didn't retire while USADA was running the UFC's anti-doping problem and a long time had passed since he'd stepped away. Basically, they treated him as if he were a new athlete just signed. Also, Brock will continue to be tested until he informs USADA that he has retired from competing in the UFC. I think thats basically what I said. I left out the part that he was tested 4 months before the fight....because he could have started a cycle easily during the 4 months. I'll be interested to see if Lesnar gets tested anytime soon and the results. Lesnar has been highly rumored to have been and even still is on roids. He has NEVER failed a test, so the benefit of the doubt should be given. However, if your clean....who cares if USADA is testing you the day of the fight? In addition, while Lesnar has never failed a test....he has ALWAYS dodged the question or even walked out on interviews saying he doesnt want to answer. He's hiding something....perhaps its HGH or some other drug. |
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Jul 14, 2016 21:52:27 GMT -5
This was already known in advance. And supposedly after this was first reported he was tested 4-5 times. I dunno if there's any truth behind that though. Even if he was, he could easily have begun a roid cycle after. They said it was 4 months prior to the fight. ...not strictly true, bud. The UFC has a rule that states a fighter must inform the promotion four months in advance if he or she is coming out of retirement so that the fighter can be placed back in the USADA testing pool. Obviously they couldn't do that with Brock - but he was tested six times in the four weeks before UFC 200. The UFC gave him an exemption, because he didn't retire while USADA was running the UFC's anti-doping problem and a long time had passed since he'd stepped away. Basically, they treated him as if he were a new athlete just signed. Also, Brock will continue to be tested until he informs USADA that he has retired from competing in the UFC. I think thats basically what I said. I left out the part that he was tested 4 months before the fight....because he could have started a cycle easily during the 4 months. I'll be interested to see if Lesnar gets tested anytime soon and the results. Lesnar has been highly rumored to have been and even still is on roids. He has NEVER failed a test, so the benefit of the doubt should be given. However, if your clean....who cares if USADA is testing you the day of the fight? In addition, while Lesnar has never failed a test.... he has ALWAYS dodged the question or even walked out on interviews saying he doesnt want to answer. He's hiding something....perhaps its HGH or some other drug. Or, and I'm just spitballing here, perhaps he's just sick of being asked the same question over and over again. I know I would get sick of being asked the same thing all the time if I knew I was clean. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 14, 2016 21:58:19 GMT -5
Even if he was, he could easily have begun a roid cycle after. They said it was 4 months prior to the fight. I think thats basically what I said. I left out the part that he was tested 4 months before the fight....because he could have started a cycle easily during the 4 months. I'll be interested to see if Lesnar gets tested anytime soon and the results. Lesnar has been highly rumored to have been and even still is on roids. He has NEVER failed a test, so the benefit of the doubt should be given. However, if your clean....who cares if USADA is testing you the day of the fight? In addition, while Lesnar has never failed a test.... he has ALWAYS dodged the question or even walked out on interviews saying he doesnt want to answer. He's hiding something....perhaps its HGH or some other drug. Or, and I'm just spitballing here, perhaps he's just sick of being asked the same question over and over again. I know I would get sick of being asked the same thing all the time if I knew I was clean. Its a fair point. Perhaps he has grown tired of it. And I would agree. BUT....why even seek an exemption out if there wasnt something to hide? |
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Jul 14, 2016 22:13:49 GMT -5
The question I'm more interested in an answer to is if he tested positive for a substance through the USADA's testing would he face any subsequent punishment from the WWE? Because it's my understanding that the WWE doesn't really test their part timers but wouldn't Brock testing positive in competition outside of the WWE in some way cast a shadow on their testing policies? Even though I'm confident Brock isn't using its interesting to think about.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 14, 2016 22:32:25 GMT -5
Or, and I'm just spitballing here, perhaps he's just sick of being asked the same question over and over again. I know I would get sick of being asked the same thing all the time if I knew I was clean. Its a fair point. Perhaps he has grown tired of it. And I would agree. BUT....why even seek an exemption out if there wasnt something to hide? I really don't think he sought-out an exemption though - it's more a case that the UFC had to give him one, otherwise he would have been allowed to fight at UFC 200. So - as he had "retired" long before USADA was testing fighters - he was just treated as though he was a newly-signed fighter. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 14, 2016 23:01:35 GMT -5
Its a fair point. Perhaps he has grown tired of it. And I would agree. BUT....why even seek an exemption out if there wasnt something to hide? I really don't think he sought-out an exemption though - it's more a case that the UFC had to give him one, otherwise he would have been allowed to fight at UFC 200. So - as he had "retired" long before USADA was testing fighters - he was just treated as though he was a newly-signed fighter. I dont think UFC is forced to give him an exemption. For what reason? I think that is a weak argument...unless UFC is sitting back going...we want Brock on the card...by hook or by crook. And I dont see that. Dana was quick to yank Connor. Dropped Jones just days before the PPV. And he has a long history of doing "the right thing" over breaking a rule to increase profits. I can only see one plausible account....Lesnar and/or his team found a loop hole and exploited it. Now whether that was to hide something or just to avoid having to deal with USADA....I dont know. |
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Post by TheLastDude on Jul 14, 2016 23:45:00 GMT -5
The question I'm more interested in an answer to is if he tested positive for a substance through the USADA's testing would he face any subsequent punishment from the WWE? Because it's my understanding that the WWE doesn't really test their part timers but wouldn't Brock testing positive in competition outside of the WWE in some way cast a shadow on their testing policies? Even though I'm confident Brock isn't using its interesting to think about. Probably. That's what happened to Billy Gunn. I really don't think he sought-out an exemption though - it's more a case that the UFC had to give him one, otherwise he would have been allowed to fight at UFC 200. So - as he had "retired" long before USADA was testing fighters - he was just treated as though he was a newly-signed fighter. I dont think UFC is forced to give him an exemption. For what reason? I think that is a weak argument...unless UFC is sitting back going...we want Brock on the card...by hook or by crook. And I dont see that. Dana was quick to yank Connor. Dropped Jones just days before the PPV. And he has a long history of doing "the right thing" over breaking a rule to increase profits. I can only see one plausible account....Lesnar and/or his team found a loop hole and exploited it. Now whether that was to hide something or just to avoid having to deal with USADA....I dont know. Did Brock personally piss in your Cheerios or something? It seems like you have something against him. Well, either that, or you want to relish in the "gotcha" moment. |
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 15, 2016 2:57:52 GMT -5
This was already known in advance. And supposedly after this was first reported he was tested 4-5 times. I dunno if there's any truth behind that though. Even if he was, he could easily have begun a roid cycle after. They said it was 4 months prior to the fight. ...not strictly true, bud. The UFC has a rule that states a fighter must inform the promotion four months in advance if he or she is coming out of retirement so that the fighter can be placed back in the USADA testing pool. Obviously they couldn't do that with Brock - but he was tested six times in the four weeks before UFC 200. The UFC gave him an exemption, because he didn't retire while USADA was running the UFC's anti-doping problem and a long time had passed since he'd stepped away. Basically, they treated him as if he were a new athlete just signed. Also, Brock will continue to be tested until he informs USADA that he has retired from competing in the UFC. Lesnar has been highly rumored to have been and even still is on roids. He has NEVER failed a test, so the benefit of the doubt should be given. However, if your clean....who cares if USADA is testing you the day of the fight? In addition, while Lesnar has never failed a test....he has ALWAYS dodged the question or even walked out on interviews saying he doesnt want to answer. He's hiding something....perhaps its HGH or some other drug. Unless I'm misreading your reply, I don't think you're understanding what SteveHulk said. He wasn't tested four months before the fight. I don't think he even knew for sure that he was fighting four months in advance. That's part of the reason he didn't have to have four months' worth of passed tests (or at least no failures) upon his return to the sport, which is protocol for fighters who are coming out of retirement. Basically the only exception he got was that they didn't make him wait the extra couple of months before letting him back into the octagon. He didn't officially file his retirement paperwork in the first place, if I understand what I've read.He WAS tested five-six times in the month before the fight. There is absolutely no way he could have actively been using during that time without failing a test. Most of the data I've read on these tests is that a fighter would usually need three-four weeks' time for steroids to be clear of the urine so there is no presence of it in a test. I don't think Brock is "hiding" anything the average UFC fighter or pro wrestler isn't also hiding. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 3:13:25 GMT -5
He still won.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 15, 2016 3:50:19 GMT -5
At the end of the day, some people will always have their doubts... after all, Brock is a pro-wrestler and a massive guy. But he's not stupid - he knows there's a microscope on him and that he'll be very closely monitored and regularly tested... I seriously doubt he would ever risk his career or reputation by taking illegal substances.
So unless he fails one of these tests, I really think people should lay off Brock and enjoy what he brings to the UFC - especially when you consider some of the other (very high-profile) Heavyweights on the roster, who actually DO have a history of juicing/failing drug-tests...
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Jul 15, 2016 10:50:38 GMT -5
They needed Brock to fight to save the card. Their only other option was GSP. who like Brock would of received an exemption (He also retired before USADA). I understand why they did it. Brock was probably kicking the tires about coming back, Connor went out so Dana reached out to him. Could Brock have been juicing 2-4 months ago? Sure. But we know he was clean the last month.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 15, 2016 17:10:11 GMT -5
The question I'm more interested in an answer to is if he tested positive for a substance through the USADA's testing would he face any subsequent punishment from the WWE? Because it's my understanding that the WWE doesn't really test their part timers but wouldn't Brock testing positive in competition outside of the WWE in some way cast a shadow on their testing policies? Even though I'm confident Brock isn't using its interesting to think about. Probably. That's what happened to Billy Gunn. I dont think UFC is forced to give him an exemption. For what reason? I think that is a weak argument...unless UFC is sitting back going...we want Brock on the card...by hook or by crook. And I dont see that. Dana was quick to yank Connor. Dropped Jones just days before the PPV. And he has a long history of doing "the right thing" over breaking a rule to increase profits. I can only see one plausible account....Lesnar and/or his team found a loop hole and exploited it. Now whether that was to hide something or just to avoid having to deal with USADA....I dont know. Did Brock personally piss in your Cheerios or something? It seems like you have something against him. Well, either that, or you want to relish in the "gotcha" moment. Like Orton, I see WWE protecting Brock. Plus for some reason I dont think WWE even tests part timers like Brock, Rock and HHH. Just a gut feeling, no factual evidence to support it. Brock has never done anything to me. I've never been a Brock fan, except I did admire him for leaving WWE to try and pursue a NFL career. I just read this loophole story and you combine that with allegations for years and years plus Mark Hunt going on his verbal rampage and the recent crapBones took...seemed fishy. Even if he was, he could easily have begun a roid cycle after. They said it was 4 months prior to the fight. I think thats basically what I said. I left out the part that he was tested 4 months before the fight....because he could have started a cycle easily during the 4 months. I'll be interested to see if Lesnar gets tested anytime soon and the results.Lesnar has been highly rumored to have been and even still is on roids. He has NEVER failed a test, so the benefit of the doubt should be given. However, if your clean....who cares if USADA is testing you the day of the fight? In addition, while Lesnar has never failed a test....he has ALWAYS dodged the question or even walked out on interviews saying he doesnt want to answer. He's hiding something....perhaps its HGH or some other drug. Unless I'm misreading your reply, I don't think you're understanding what SteveHulk said. He wasn't tested four months before the fight. I don't think he even knew for sure that he was fighting four months in advance. That's part of the reason he didn't have to have four months' worth of passed tests (or at least no failures) upon his return to the sport, which is protocol for fighters who are coming out of retirement. Basically the only exception he got was that they didn't make him wait the extra couple of months before letting him back into the octagon. He didn't officially file his retirement paperwork in the first place, if I understand what I've read.He WAS tested five-six times in the month before the fight. There is absolutely no way he could have actively been using during that time without failing a test. Most of the data I've read on these tests is that a fighter would usually need three-four weeks' time for steroids to be clear of the urine so there is no presence of it in a test. I don't think Brock is "hiding" anything the average UFC fighter or pro wrestler isn't also hiding. I apologize. I DEFINITELY misread what you said. The article I read said that Brock was tested outside the 4 month window 5-6 times. It didnt say for what or why. Then it went on said that within the 4 months before UFC 200 he was not tested. Do you have a link to an article that says he was tested 5-g times weeks before UFC 200? If that is true, I would say its HIGHLY unlikely dude was on something. I wouldnt say 100%....but I would say he deserves the benefit of the doubt thats for sure. And he certainly should not have the finger pointed at him. |
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Post by Booger Red on Jul 15, 2016 17:43:43 GMT -5
Uh oh
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 15, 2016 17:47:30 GMT -5
www.mmafighting.com/2016/6/20/11980824/brock-lesnar-tested-by-usada-five-times-in-two-weeksHere's an article from a little under a month ago that states Brock was tested about 5 times in the two weeks following the announcement that he was fighting at UFC 200. I assume we would have gotten news of a failed test by now. And it doesn't appear that he was tested at all during the standard four-month waiting period that most fighters would have... he was obviously tested pretty extensively in the weeks leading up to the fight though.
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Post by Booger Red on Jul 15, 2016 17:52:16 GMT -5
UFC's statement on Brock Lesnar's USADA violation
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 15, 2016 17:52:53 GMT -5
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 15, 2016 19:35:57 GMT -5
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