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Post by 5th Horsewoman on Aug 12, 2016 10:53:51 GMT -5
The "you're not in the business so you can't comment" thing wrestlers always spew out is hilarious. It's like saying you're not allowed to dislike a certain food because you're not a chef, or you're not allowed to dislike a band because you're not a guitar player.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 11:06:46 GMT -5
I <3 Triple H.
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Post by J12 on Aug 12, 2016 11:34:08 GMT -5
The 50/50 booking comment is the most interesting. If Triple H didn't think 50/50 booking was a problem, he wouldn't be pushing for more squash matches. If Triple H didn't think 50/50 booking was a problem, he wouldn't have created a system in NXT that basically entirely avoids that strategy.
It's funny, because he makes a comment about them "doing just fine" because they sold out the Barclays Center for 3 nights. I'd argue the reason that a small promotion like NXT, who has no television clearance in the United States, is able to do that is in part because they don't rely on 50/50 booking and they work hard at getting their talent over.
I don't fault him for saying what he did, but he comes off as defensive. I don't expect him to come out in the press and say it's a real issue, but I think he knows that it is.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 12, 2016 12:00:33 GMT -5
To add what J12 wrote, NXT's explosion is primarily due to word of mouth and the power of social media. I can remember coming here back in 2012-2013 and not many people were engaged on the NXT product. Sure they could sell out the Barclay's Center but the most important special NXT has produced was Arrival back in February 2014. It started the whole NXT Evolution. The train is still running with those TakeOver specials being the stops along the way. Triple H an say about how 50/50 booking works but he knows he can only mitigate that on NXT. With Vince McMahon sitting on that throne, Triple H is merely a pawn. I know deep down inside Triple H wants that proverbial throne. With the success of NXT, he is just getting more and more impatient. Triple H was the most hated man in pro-wrestling in 2003. Triple H is now one of the most beloved pro-wrestlers in 2016. Hard to imagine what transpired in a span of 13 years. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 12, 2016 12:10:10 GMT -5
I'm just nodding my head in agreement and then we get to the 50/50 booking and it's like an entirely different person answered that question. It literally contradicts what he said in his first response.
Also, the ratings are sh*t. I don't care what goes into them. Other shows like Walking Dead and Game of Thrones are doing just fine in ratings. WWE's combined rating is a fart compared to what it used to be. It's time to stop pretending with that nonsense. They're in trouble. Otherwise they wouldn't have divided the roster to double down on their Raw audience and they wouldn't be low balling incoming veteran talent on contracts. Let's all stop pretending like everything is good in Candy Land shall we.
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Post by J12 on Aug 12, 2016 12:20:31 GMT -5
I'm just nodding my head in agreement and then we get to the 50/50 booking and it's like an entirely different person answered that question. It literally contradicts what he said in his first response. Also, the ratings are sh*t. I don't care what goes into them. Other shows like Walking Dead and Game of Thrones are doing just fine in ratings. WWE's combined rating is a fart compared to what it used to be. It's time to stop pretending with that nonsense. They're in trouble. Otherwise they wouldn't have divided the roster to double down on their Raw audience and they wouldn't be low balling incoming veteran talent on contracts. Let's all stop pretending like everything is good in Candy Land shall we. But so many people watch them on YouTube! Yeah, the bottom line is that the company is doing a lot of things that look good to stockholders on paper in the here and now, but there's a very big elephant in the room, and it's the television rights deal. They will not get the same deal again if they don't drastically improve ratings, it would be completely illogical on the part of NBCUniversal. A drastic reduction in the rights deal is enough to drastically alter the entire way they do business. |
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Aug 12, 2016 12:34:23 GMT -5
And why didn't they apply this to Roman? His lines were cringeworthy. Hopefully, with his Midcard push they could recreate what they've destroyed.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Aug 12, 2016 19:39:58 GMT -5
The 50/50 booking comment is the most interesting. If Triple H didn't think 50/50 booking was a problem, he wouldn't be pushing for more squash matches. If Triple H didn't think 50/50 booking was a problem, he wouldn't have created a system in NXT that basically entirely avoids that strategy. It's funny, because he makes a comment about them "doing just fine" because they sold out the Barclays Center for 3 nights. I'd argue the reason that a small promotion like NXT, who has no television clearance in the United States, is able to do that is in part because they don't rely on 50/50 booking and they work hard at getting their talent over. I don't fault him for saying what he did, but he comes off as defensive. I don't expect him to come out in the press and say it's a real issue, but I think he knows that it is. Of course he's gonna come off as defensive. You're not gonna say something bad or really admit to something bad about the company you're the COO of, are you? |
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Post by k5 on Aug 12, 2016 20:22:41 GMT -5
i'm happy that i'm not the only one who finds it genuinely ridiculous how wrestlers try to shut down fan's opinions because they're 'not in the know'. in reality, the product is the product and can be openly criticized as it's on full display. claiming business ins and outs is a reason to shut down your audience's opinions and theories is just banal. it's the equivalent of a rock band putting out a bad album and saying that people didn't understand the studio process so they can't judge it or have an informed opinion on it musically.
but lord knows those ol' wrastlers know something we don't! bigshow and stone cold can see that roman is all he's supposed to be and more, so i guess that's the facts...
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 12, 2016 20:36:50 GMT -5
To add what J12 wrote, NXT's explosion is primarily due to word of mouth and the power of social media. I can remember coming here back in 2012-2013 and not many people were engaged on the NXT product. Sure they could sell out the Barclay's Center but the most important special NXT has produced was Arrival back in February 2014. It started the whole NXT Evolution. The train is still running with those TakeOver specials being the stops along the way. Triple H an say about how 50/50 booking works but he knows he can only mitigate that on NXT. With Vince McMahon sitting on that throne, Triple H is merely a pawn. I know deep down inside Triple H wants that proverbial throne. With the success of NXT, he is just getting more and more impatient. Triple H was the most hated man in pro-wrestling in 2003. Triple H is now one of the most beloved pro-wrestlers in 2016. Hard to imagine what transpired in a span of 13 years.Honestly I'm going to say Daniel Bryan happened. Seeing the popularity he gained and then working with him at Mania 30, HHH got a front row ticket to what pro wrestling today is about. Maybe i am wrong but thats my educated guess. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 12, 2016 21:21:35 GMT -5
To add what J12 wrote, NXT's explosion is primarily due to word of mouth and the power of social media. I can remember coming here back in 2012-2013 and not many people were engaged on the NXT product. Sure they could sell out the Barclay's Center but the most important special NXT has produced was Arrival back in February 2014. It started the whole NXT Evolution. The train is still running with those TakeOver specials being the stops along the way. Triple H an say about how 50/50 booking works but he knows he can only mitigate that on NXT. With Vince McMahon sitting on that throne, Triple H is merely a pawn. I know deep down inside Triple H wants that proverbial throne. With the success of NXT, he is just getting more and more impatient. Triple H was the most hated man in pro-wrestling in 2003. Triple H is now one of the most beloved pro-wrestlers in 2016. Hard to imagine what transpired in a span of 13 years.Honestly I'm going to say Daniel Bryan happened. Seeing the popularity he gained and then working with him at Mania 30, HHH got a front row ticket to what pro wrestling today is about. Maybe i am wrong but thats my educated guess. You are on the right track. We saw a lot of what made Triple H so hated in 2003 during the beginning of the Daniel Bryan/Authority storyline. That is why I mentioned back then, that angle just had old-school written all over it. You build up a nuclear hot babyface against a heel is is universally hated. What you get is a very compelling storyline that gets fans emotionally invested in. Getting fans emotionally invested is becoming a lost art. Primarily due to the 50/50 booking we see today. The WWE gave us such compelling TV and the payoff meant something. Triple H is one of the last breeds of performers who you can get real heat from. A lot of heels today can't get that level of heat that heels received in the '80's and '90's. |
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 12, 2016 21:26:51 GMT -5
Honestly I'm going to say Daniel Bryan happened. Seeing the popularity he gained and then working with him at Mania 30, HHH got a front row ticket to what pro wrestling today is about. Maybe i am wrong but thats my educated guess. You are on the right track. We saw a lot of what made Triple H so hated in 2003 during the beginning of the Daniel Bryan/Authority storyline. That is why I mentioned back then, that angle just had old-school written all over it. You build up a nuclear hot babyface against a heel is is universally hated. What you get is a very compelling storyline that gets fans emotionally invested in. Getting fans emotionally invested is becoming a lost art. Primarily due to the 50/50 booking we see today. The WWE gave us such compelling TV and the payoff meant something. Triple H is one of the last breeds of performers who you can get real heat from. A lot of heels today can't get that level of heat that heels received in the '80's and '90's. The best heels today get cheered. Look at Rollins, Owens, Styles. Granted they are bad examples because they are incredible in the ring it just shows how no other heels can get through. The Miz is the last heel who was actually disliked to a point. |
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Post by TheLastDude on Aug 12, 2016 21:51:03 GMT -5
i'm happy that i'm not the only one who finds it genuinely ridiculous how wrestlers try to shut down fan's opinions because they're 'not in the know'. in reality, the product is the product and can be openly criticized as it's on full display. claiming business ins and outs is a reason to shut down your audience's opinions and theories is just banal. it's the equivalent of a rock band putting out a bad album and saying that people didn't understand the studio process so they can't judge it or have an informed opinion on it musically. but lord knows those ol' wrastlers know something we don't! bigshow and stone cold can see that roman is all he's supposed to be and more, so i guess that's the facts... Indeed. The product is the product. I can be unhappy about a certain wrestler not being given a chance to be a bigger star, or holding a title for part of the year, or being in more high-profile matches...and all of THAT may very well be because of backstage things that I'm not privy to. In this sense, he's correct. If I'm unhappy with the show because the matches are sloppy, the storylines are ludicrous, and the acting is atrocious...well...I'm actually watching that. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 12, 2016 21:57:59 GMT -5
Funny Hunter defends the 50/50 booking when his whole career was based around 90/10 booking in his favor.
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Post by J12 on Aug 12, 2016 22:34:13 GMT -5
The 50/50 booking comment is the most interesting. If Triple H didn't think 50/50 booking was a problem, he wouldn't be pushing for more squash matches. If Triple H didn't think 50/50 booking was a problem, he wouldn't have created a system in NXT that basically entirely avoids that strategy. It's funny, because he makes a comment about them "doing just fine" because they sold out the Barclays Center for 3 nights. I'd argue the reason that a small promotion like NXT, who has no television clearance in the United States, is able to do that is in part because they don't rely on 50/50 booking and they work hard at getting their talent over. I don't fault him for saying what he did, but he comes off as defensive. I don't expect him to come out in the press and say it's a real issue, but I think he knows that it is. Of course he's gonna come off as defensive. You're not gonna say something bad or really admit to something bad about the company you're the COO of, are you? There's a way to answer that question without being defensive. He went into "attack the Internet" mode, when in reality, his previous answers sort of contradicted the point he was trying to make and revealed that he was probably thinking what most everyone else is. Like I said, I don't expect him to flat out admit it (though he has been openly critical of things in interviews in the past), but he was really quick to throw up a wall and try to cover himself with corporate buzz words and whatnot. It's not a big deal, I just don't think he's buying what he's selling in that last quote. |
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Post by Jimmy Toucan (+ The Flipout) on Aug 13, 2016 1:24:31 GMT -5
Not a bad interview. Sounds so weird though for me to hear him say 'resetting' a character so blithely. What can you do though?
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 13, 2016 1:49:13 GMT -5
"‘Oh, I’m sorry, how’s your territory coming?"
It's actually going really well, Hunter. We're doing big business with Ric Flair holding the championship with Dusty Rhodes chasing him. We sold out Greensboro with the two of them in a cage for the strap. When's the last time y'all drew in Greensboro?!
What's that? Oh, he wasn't talking about my run on TEW 2016. Well don't I feel foolish!
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Aug 13, 2016 3:37:37 GMT -5
Honestly I'm going to say Daniel Bryan happened. Seeing the popularity he gained and then working with him at Mania 30, HHH got a front row ticket to what pro wrestling today is about. Maybe i am wrong but thats my educated guess. You are on the right track. We saw a lot of what made Triple H so hated in 2003 during the beginning of the Daniel Bryan/Authority storyline. That is why I mentioned back then, that angle just had old-school written all over it. You build up a nuclear hot babyface against a heel is is universally hated. What you get is a very compelling storyline that gets fans emotionally invested in. Getting fans emotionally invested is becoming a lost art. Primarily due to the 50/50 booking we see today. The WWE gave us such compelling TV and the payoff meant something. Triple H is one of the last breeds of performers who you can get real heat from. A lot of heels today can't get that level of heat that heels received in the '80's and '90's.That reminds me of something Rockstar Spud said a while ago. Too many guys who play the heel role are too concerned about getting a response from the crowd when they hit their fifteen superkicks a match, or getting a "ohh" or "ahh" reaction after they slap their thigh every time they move their legs. He said no one wants to be a true bad guy anymore because that means they won't get the cool bad guy cheers. No one wants to commit to the heel role. |
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Aug 13, 2016 5:06:44 GMT -5
To be fair, I can count on one hand the number of movie or tv writers that have ever publicly agreed with fan criticism of their product. In the same thought process, that's probably the same amount of coaches or sports stars that will make similar comments when a game day decision ends up being a bad one.
HHH has said before that there are things that need to be fixed. And let's face it, 5 hours of tv space to fill with the same guys meant lots of rematches. The idea of '50/50 booking' (wherever it's name came from) was a simple way to keep one main guy from getting buried too much. Unfortunately it kept the other from gaining any traction, and kept us from being too entertained. Now, they've got 3 hours a week of one, and 2 hours a week of the other for television time. Over saturation shouldn't be as big of an issue now. 'Shouldn't' being the operative word here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 6:32:04 GMT -5
It was going so well until he started talking about 50/50 booking.
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