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Post by JokerFC on Dec 28, 2016 11:17:32 GMT -5
R.I.P. Carrie Fisher.
I was thinking today......
1) For all we know Leia may not have been scheduled to survive Ep8.....which would make the entire thing very eerie to me.
2) If she was scheduled to survive 8 and did? It isn't to late to change that and give the character a mighty checkout that she deserves.
one things for sure.......the dedicated to Carrie Fisher & Kenny Baker graphic at the end of Episode 8 is gonna fry the living f*ck outta me and I WILL cry. No two ways about it. this has genuinely upset me and just hammered home how growing up with these people effects you.
Theres no celebrity death this year has had the effect this has had on me......not even close.
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Post by Word™ on Dec 28, 2016 23:44:56 GMT -5
And then her mom dies one day later while planning her funeral.
Jesus...
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Post by JokerFC on Dec 29, 2016 6:23:22 GMT -5
And then her mom dies one day later while planning her funeral. Jesus... Horrific. A stroke.....obviously from the pressure of the last week or so. Brutal..... |
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Post by Flair Forever on Dec 29, 2016 16:25:49 GMT -5
R.I.P. Carrie Fisher. I was thinking today...... 1) For all we know Leia may not have been scheduled to survive Ep8.....which would make the entire thing very eerie to me. 2) If she was scheduled to survive 8 and did? It isn't to late to change that and give the character a mighty checkout that she deserves. one things for sure.......the dedicated to Carrie Fisher & Kenny Baker graphic at the end of Episode 8 is gonna fry the living f*ck outta me and I WILL cry. No two ways about it. this has genuinely upset me and just hammered home how growing up with these people effects you. Theres no celebrity death this year has had the effect this has had on me......not even close. I guess the right way to look at the situation..... Thank goodness they made Episodes 7 & 8 when they did. If they'd waited another 3 years, Leia wouldn't have been able to return at all. I would expect that if she was supposed to be in Episode 9, they'll have to do some re-writing. I'm sitting here wondering what's going to happen to Peter's boss Angela on "Family Guy". . |
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Post by ARUN on Dec 29, 2016 20:01:24 GMT -5
Just Saw Rogue One. Good movie. Didn't think it was as good as some people are making it out to be but I did enjoy it.
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Post by Word™ on Dec 29, 2016 23:41:00 GMT -5
R.I.P. Carrie Fisher. I was thinking today...... 1) For all we know Leia may not have been scheduled to survive Ep8.....which would make the entire thing very eerie to me. 2) If she was scheduled to survive 8 and did? It isn't to late to change that and give the character a mighty checkout that she deserves. one things for sure.......the dedicated to Carrie Fisher & Kenny Baker graphic at the end of Episode 8 is gonna fry the living f*ck outta me and I WILL cry. No two ways about it. this has genuinely upset me and just hammered home how growing up with these people effects you. Theres no celebrity death this year has had the effect this has had on me......not even close. I was looking forward to the Kylo Ren encounter with Leia.. I was also holding out for her to pick up a lightsaber at some point as well even if it was for a brief moment. idk what would be harder to do, see her die in Episode 8 or write her out of Episode 9 without her dying.. I was under the impression that Han dying in Episode 7 would lead to Luke dying in Episode 8.. And I honestly was thinking Leia would be the original character that survived this trilogy and the next trilogy. |
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Post by JokerFC on Dec 30, 2016 11:06:28 GMT -5
R.I.P. Carrie Fisher. I was thinking today...... 1) For all we know Leia may not have been scheduled to survive Ep8.....which would make the entire thing very eerie to me. 2) If she was scheduled to survive 8 and did? It isn't to late to change that and give the character a mighty checkout that she deserves. one things for sure.......the dedicated to Carrie Fisher & Kenny Baker graphic at the end of Episode 8 is gonna fry the living f*ck outta me and I WILL cry. No two ways about it. this has genuinely upset me and just hammered home how growing up with these people effects you. Theres no celebrity death this year has had the effect this has had on me......not even close. I was looking forward to the Kylo Ren encounter with Leia.. I was also holding out for her to pick up a lightsaber at some point as well even if it was for a brief moment. idk what would be harder to do, see her die in Episode 8 or write her out of Episode 9 without her dying.. I was under the impression that Han dying in Episode 7 would lead to Luke dying in Episode 8.. And I honestly was thinking Leia would be the original character that survived this trilogy and the next trilogy. I kinda thought the same man......Kasdan, Kennedy and co have some serious thought to do here IF Leia survived Ep8 that is. If Luke did die and Leia didn't? I'm betting that will be changed during the reshoot phase. If Ren offs both his parents? That will make him a contender for the Sagas chief bad guy...... Its crazy how much this situation has got people talking about Ep8. It was bound to be huge anyway but we all know how the death of a actor(let alone one who played such a beloved character in such a pop culture phenomenon) effects a movie. Disney have been quiet except to confirm her role for 8 was much larger and that her filming was complete. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 19:06:27 GMT -5
I thought it was great as well. I don't really think it compares to the other stuff we've seen though because it only works as a companion piece to the OT. If you don't have that context it's a good war movie, but not a great movie. Because it plays so well into ANH, it's great. Here is my rant: Jyn was incredibly well developed. From her being despondent due to the loss of her parents, to her total indifference that war is even happening. By the time the beach scene comes at the very end of the movie, I'm hurting. I felt Cassian grew a ton as well in a relatively small window of time. He was tasked with the impossible decision and really let his heart drive him the back half of the film. These were all pieces of the story that truly made me feel loss when the two of them were sitting there embracing their fate.
The Rebellion was done. I think that's the element of this story I enjoyed the most. They were a small, but loud, millitia, but you physically see how the Death Star is about to put an end to their uprising. The Rebels are almost like a tall tale in that regard. They were seemingly more of an idea than an actual army. Which is why everything Jyn did, and more so Galen, was the catalyst for the entire OT. Jyn was the only person who could tell Luke where to throw the stone in order to take down Goliath. It was the perfect 3.5 story to tell.
Seeing Grand Moff Tarkin was pretty amazing. I think the cgi looked pretty good on him. We've seen that trick with Tron Legacy, and we know it works, and I think it worked here as well. Leia looked a little too video game-y to me. I thought there was a better way to do that scene without showing her whole face (a half turn), while still getting the full effect. I liked Krennic as well. Him pandering to Vader and almost begging for the Emperor's approval on building the Death Star was a nice representation of the Empire's "corporate structure."
I wasn't really a fan of K-2SO. I get it, dry humor ha... ha. I just don't think forced humor is funny. If you go back and watch Episode 7, a ton of Finn's jokes really hurt the film. I think K2 will end up being the same way. I do think his scenes with Jyn near the end when they're actually stealing the plans were great though. So yeah, I love Alan Tudyk, Wash4Life, but I just wasn't as giggly as most seem to be over his character.
Donnie Yen's character was the surprise stand out for me. He was super hokey, but I love force wielding non Jedi characters. I also think his relationship with Baze was a far more natural and organic comedy dynamic. They both played an extremely large part in the Scarif battle and it brings up the Force being this "no coincidence" type of power in the universe. Expanding on the idea of the Force, the Whills, and even dipping a toe into the kyber crystal pool was great. We see that stuff on Rebels and it's great to see it in the films.
Lastly, the Vader scenes. I totally agree that the first Vader scene was fan service, or at least the Force choke element to it. I don't have a problem with it for two reasons. One, we got to see a Sith sanctuary where Vader is still very much a machine but focused on harnessing the power of the Force (Dark Side). Second, we needed to see Krennic in his desperation to impress the Emperor. That's a huge motivator for his character. Was the Force choke illogical? It's questionable but we know Anakin was a hot shot, and ANH Vader is still technically a younger man who doesn't have the maturity of ROTJ Vader. The second scene and end to the film was perfect Vader though. No explanation needed and it really tied the beginning of ANH to this film. Vader mowing down Rebels, Jedi, largely just anyone, is what people want to see, or least that's what I want to see. This is how they need to stick to using Vader. Don't over expose him, and make him the boogeyman who seems more like a myth until he shows up on screen.
So yeah, I thought the film was great. A suicide mission of tragic proportions, but with that silver lining that you know their sacrifice was worth it. Still though, that scene with Cassian and Jyn holding each other stuck with me as I left the theater. I felt it. That makes me appreciate A New Hope more than I already did. As far as ranking the films, as I've seen people default to that, I don't really have a place for it. As I said, I think it's a different animal than what we've seen before. If Episode 7's job was to reignite the franchise by giving us a little old, but largely injecting new characters to follow towards the future, then it succeeded. So like Ep7, I think Rogue One accomplished what it intended to do by being this really emotionally driven companion story to A New Hope. I'll be seeing it again at some point this week. One thing I forgot to mention, which I don't think is really a spoiler, is how much I really enjoyed the vehicles and the warfare. Seeing the AT-ATs and even the troopers through the streets was so incredibly well done. Hammerheads and Hover Tanks and biker scouts, and red and blue teams. I loved all of the battle scenes, both in space and on the ground. Another quality post Sir! I saw it again and loved what they did with Tarkin - even more than the first time around...!  |
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Post by Word™ on Jan 2, 2017 5:14:37 GMT -5
Finally got to go see 'Rogue One' tonight. Really, really incredible addition to the Star Wars saga.. That final 45 minutes was absolutely jaw dropping and I can 100% see the rumors being true about Disney having to go get some re-shoots due to the high level of violence. I legitimately felt fear when Darth Vader showed up in the very last sequence..
People love crediting Denis Villeneuve as the "IT" up and coming director, but when it comes to directors that have ever rising stock my money is on Gareth Edwards.. Never once did I question if he could pull this off.. In my honest opinion the dude did better than JJ Abrams in alot of ways..
If I'm being honest, I could watch Donnie Yen beat people up with a staff for hours.. An entire movie with groups of bad guys that attempt to mess with Donnie Yen, and he just goes bananas on them with his staff.. 2 hours of this I'd be willing to watch.
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Post by Jimmy Toucan (+ The Flipout) on Jan 2, 2017 5:20:04 GMT -5
Just Saw Rogue One. Good movie. Didn't think it was as good as some people are making it out to be but I did enjoy it. Me too. I thought it was great but not the greatest thing to happen to Star Wars ever. |
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Post by Word™ on Jan 2, 2017 8:05:43 GMT -5
Just Saw Rogue One. Good movie. Didn't think it was as good as some people are making it out to be but I did enjoy it. Me too. I thought it was great but not the greatest thing to happen to Star Wars ever. It fixes alot of the plot holes surrounding the OT, which I thought was pretty cool. This is a really solid standalone feature that has direct ties to the original. I've been reading alot of hate for this movie and it has honestly made me start to question what exactly people are expecting out of the Star Wars movies moving forward.. Everyone seems to be wanting every movie they ever see to be a life changing event.. Alot of people seem to want Star Wars (and Marvel) to be something that they just aren't gonna be.. But the big problem I'm seeing is that people are wanting these movies to be perfect. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 2, 2017 13:01:11 GMT -5
Rogue One was absolutely brilliant.....I have ZERO complaints about it. But then I only had one or two minor gripes with TFA too and it now seems to be the cool thing to do to hate on that movie too.
Meh!!
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Post by Word™ on Jan 3, 2017 2:33:23 GMT -5
If I had one complaint about Rogue One it's that Jyn Erso and Cassian Andor were uninteresting characters.. Out of the entire cast of characters, these were the two I had a hard time caring about.. Even though every character was equally undeveloped, for whatever reason I found these two to suffer from that the most.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Jan 3, 2017 12:12:06 GMT -5
As a grumpy old classic Star Wars fan, here's my rant.
Great story. But the characters sucked. It seems like it was way too politically correct. A French hero, a female heroine, a blind Asian, a Maori bodyguard who protects the blind Asian, female X-Wing pilots, a midget rebel fighter, a Saudi Arabian rebel and evil Director Krennic who had a speech impediment.
When Jyn ran into Dr. Evazian & Ponda Baba on Jedha, what the hell was with the size of Ponda Baba's head?!
My recap? Great story, but a "feh" for the characters.
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Post by RSCTom on Jan 3, 2017 12:43:59 GMT -5
Anybody else absolutely shocked by the positive response this movie is getting? Man I am definitely not on the same page with everyone else. The more I think about it the worse it gets, too. There really wasn't much I liked other than Donnie Yen and a few other things. It made me feel a lot better about Episode VII , though, so I can take solace in that. Clearly I'm mostly alone.
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 3, 2017 12:45:59 GMT -5
I see Rogue One is the 2nd biggest film of the year in the U.S. now having passed out Civil War. Its been an incredible year for Disney.....with the team of Pixar, Star Wars & Marvel? Its gonna take a LOT to topple their dominance. They have 6 movies in the top 10 for this year.....amazing.
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Post by Word™ on Jan 4, 2017 1:00:03 GMT -5
Anybody else absolutely shocked by the positive response this movie is getting? Man I am definitely not on the same page with everyone else. The more I think about it the worse it gets, too. There really wasn't much I liked other than Donnie Yen and a few other things. It made me feel a lot better about Episode VII , though, so I can take solace in that. Clearly I'm mostly alone. I really liked Rogue One but I'm truly interested in why you didn't.. Ever since I finally got around to seeing it on Sunday night I have been fascinated at the negative responses. Mainly because I noticed everything negative that people have pointed out.. But for some reason during my viewing of the film I just didn't care. One thing I will 100% agree on is that Jyn Erso and Cassian are two of the most bland and hollow protagonists that Star Wars has ever had.. I didn't care about their characters in the slightest. |
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Post by RSCTom on Jan 4, 2017 12:17:51 GMT -5
Anybody else absolutely shocked by the positive response this movie is getting? Man I am definitely not on the same page with everyone else. The more I think about it the worse it gets, too. There really wasn't much I liked other than Donnie Yen and a few other things. It made me feel a lot better about Episode VII , though, so I can take solace in that. Clearly I'm mostly alone. I really liked Rogue One but I'm truly interested in why you didn't.. Ever since I finally got around to seeing it on Sunday night I have been fascinated at the negative responses. Mainly because I noticed everything negative that people have pointed out.. But for some reason during my viewing of the film I just didn't care. One thing I will 100% agree on is that Jyn Erso and Cassian are two of the most bland and hollow protagonists that Star Wars has ever had.. I didn't care about their characters in the slightest. Man, where do I begin is what it feels like. Mind you, I went into this with low but optimistic expectations. Never was I predisposed to hate this movie. Great point on the protagonists being bland and hollow. It really starts there, doesn't it? I legitimately just didn't care and was already exhausted with the idea that Jyn is an orphaned girl on her own 'left behind' (as if we didn't JUST see that) but I got past it. Not only that Forest Whittaker was basically a waste so they didn't get much from the supporting characters with the exception of Yen who I thought had great enthusiasm and worked really well but that may just be because I enjoy him in general. I think what's shocking me so far is overall the movie just seemed poorly made. From the really bizarre pacing, especially towards the end ( why end on the Vader fan service? Great, it made everyone happy, but at the cost of almost the entire movie. Could I care about the characters any less than before if I already know their fate and then am shifted to a character that isn't particularly relevant to what's going on from their perspective?) to the editing ( why have those title cards which has never been a necessity in a Star Wars movie EVER and then abandon them halfway through, among other things?) and strange plot as a movie in general I thought it was a snoozer. And then of course the fan service was off the charts in a way that really only Ghostbusters 2016 has rivaled at this point. Even Marvel isn't as bad as that was and it's no secret that I am no fan of Marvel movies. If close up shots of blue milk, cameos by characters who were only bit parts to begin with, have no extended relevance and have no business being in the movie is where we're headed it's going to be cringe-worthy and hard to suspend disbelief. Why do I want to watch a movie I'm constantly being taken out of? I thought Grand Moff Tarkin and then, Leia, were both terrible ideas. I don't know how you guys feel about the 'uncanny valley' theory but mine was off the charts for this. Do I think it looked bad? No, of course not, it's impressive, but impressive isn't good enough when something like that needs to be perfect. All I saw were two cartoon people trying to be paraded around as real people and it didn't work for me at all. Maybe the day will come where we can't tell the difference but this was not the case. I like Gareth Edward's eye for cultures/people. I hated Godzilla but he has this going in Monsters pretty well. When these filmmakers embrace the visual precedent that Star Wars has already set, they do well. They try too hard to make things 'new' at times and it just isn't as good. That mining city in the beginning was like Coruscant but had it's own flavor. It was like the difference between New York and Detroit, something like that. Same with the desert streets with all those different alien types ( other than the cameo that made me want to gouge my eyeballs out). Best scene in the movie was the rebellion arguing about whether or not to listen to Jyn about the plans around that round table, where everyone that are supposed to be good guys were all being shady as hell and selfish. Also, Jimmy Smits owned that scene ( only to be ruined right after with his conversation with Mon Mothma where he just checked off all the talking points in three sentences "daughter" "clone wars" "jedi" etc.). That scene made things seem like they had some real weight and seriousness unlike Episode 7 where they figure out how to blow up the star killer in a 2 minute conversation after 30 years of unexplained struggle. While there are some things this movie (barely) did better than Episode 7, this did make me feel better about that movie and like it more so I guess that's a plus. I was gauging whether or not I would see any of the standalone Star Wars movies on this as I think they are a bad idea overall because it looked interesting and actually good in the trailers and now I know for sure I can skip them. |
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Post by Word™ on Jan 4, 2017 22:38:54 GMT -5
I really liked Rogue One but I'm truly interested in why you didn't.. Ever since I finally got around to seeing it on Sunday night I have been fascinated at the negative responses. Mainly because I noticed everything negative that people have pointed out.. But for some reason during my viewing of the film I just didn't care. One thing I will 100% agree on is that Jyn Erso and Cassian are two of the most bland and hollow protagonists that Star Wars has ever had.. I didn't care about their characters in the slightest. Man, where do I begin is what it feels like. Mind you, I went into this with low but optimistic expectations. Never was I predisposed to hate this movie. Great point on the protagonists being bland and hollow. It really starts there, doesn't it? I legitimately just didn't care and was already exhausted with the idea that Jyn is an orphaned girl on her own 'left behind' (as if we didn't JUST see that) but I got past it. Not only that Forest Whittaker was basically a waste so they didn't get much from the supporting characters with the exception of Yen who I thought had great enthusiasm and worked really well but that may just be because I enjoy him in general. I think what's shocking me so far is overall the movie just seemed poorly made. From the really bizarre pacing, especially towards the end ( why end on the Vader fan service? Great, it made everyone happy, but at the cost of almost the entire movie. Could I care about the characters any less than before if I already know their fate and then am shifted to a character that isn't particularly relevant to what's going on from their perspective?) to the editing ( why have those title cards which has never been a necessity in a Star Wars movie EVER and then abandon them halfway through, among other things?) and strange plot as a movie in general I thought it was a snoozer. And then of course the fan service was off the charts in a way that really only Ghostbusters 2016 has rivaled at this point. Even Marvel isn't as bad as that was and it's no secret that I am no fan of Marvel movies. If close up shots of blue milk, cameos by characters who were only bit parts to begin with, have no extended relevance and have no business being in the movie is where we're headed it's going to be cringe-worthy and hard to suspend disbelief. Why do I want to watch a movie I'm constantly being taken out of? I thought Grand Moff Tarkin and then, Leia, were both terrible ideas. I don't know how you guys feel about the 'uncanny valley' theory but mine was off the charts for this. Do I think it looked bad? No, of course not, it's impressive, but impressive isn't good enough when something like that needs to be perfect. All I saw were two cartoon people trying to be paraded around as real people and it didn't work for me at all. Maybe the day will come where we can't tell the difference but this was not the case. I like Gareth Edward's eye for cultures/people. I hated Godzilla but he has this going in Monsters pretty well. When these filmmakers embrace the visual precedent that Star Wars has already set, they do well. They try too hard to make things 'new' at times and it just isn't as good. That mining city in the beginning was like Coruscant but had it's own flavor. It was like the difference between New York and Detroit, something like that. Same with the desert streets with all those different alien types ( other than the cameo that made me want to gouge my eyeballs out). Best scene in the movie was the rebellion arguing about whether or not to listen to Jyn about the plans around that round table, where everyone that are supposed to be good guys were all being shady as hell and selfish. Also, Jimmy Smits owned that scene ( only to be ruined right after with his conversation with Mon Mothma where he just checked off all the talking points in three sentences "daughter" "clone wars" "jedi" etc.). That scene made things seem like they had some real weight and seriousness unlike Episode 7 where they figure out how to blow up the star killer in a 2 minute conversation after 30 years of unexplained struggle. While there are some things this movie (barely) did better than Episode 7, this did make me feel better about that movie and like it more so I guess that's a plus. I was gauging whether or not I would see any of the standalone Star Wars movies on this as I think they are a bad idea overall because it looked interesting and actually good in the trailers and now I know for sure I can skip them. These are all really solid points.. One thing I completely agree with is the fan service. Star Wars has enough to work off of that they don't need to constantly have call backs to the original trilogy.. When the two guys (Cornelius and Ponda) from the Cantina bumped into Jyn, I couldn't help but roll my eyes at such a ridiculous and unnecessary cameo.. That was one of the few moments that I totally hated and took me out of the movie. I'll also rival your Ghostbusters comparison of Rogue One to 2015's Jurassic World in terms of beating you over the head with fan service. We're living in a very odd time for big budget Hollywood cinema.. Where they seem to have put all their chips in on nostalgia and callbacks.. Even when the callbacks do not make a lick of sense. The more I think about it the more I believe that 'member berries are real. |
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Post by Jimmy Toucan (+ The Flipout) on Jan 5, 2017 1:56:58 GMT -5
Rogue One was absolutely brilliant.....I have ZERO complaints about it. But then I only had one or two minor gripes with TFA too and it now seems to be the cool thing to do to hate on that movie too. Meh!! I'm no hater, man. I really liked it. I just don't see it as what I'd said before, hearing other people claim it to be the greatest Star Wars film ever. lol |
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