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Post by JokerFC on Jan 5, 2017 11:26:45 GMT -5
Rogue One was absolutely brilliant.....I have ZERO complaints about it. But then I only had one or two minor gripes with TFA too and it now seems to be the cool thing to do to hate on that movie too. Meh!! I'm no hater, man. I really liked it. I just don't see it as what I'd said before, hearing other people claim it to be the greatest Star Wars film ever. lol Agreed!!! |
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 5, 2017 11:30:15 GMT -5
Man, where do I begin is what it feels like. Mind you, I went into this with low but optimistic expectations. Never was I predisposed to hate this movie. Great point on the protagonists being bland and hollow. It really starts there, doesn't it? I legitimately just didn't care and was already exhausted with the idea that Jyn is an orphaned girl on her own 'left behind' (as if we didn't JUST see that) but I got past it. Not only that Forest Whittaker was basically a waste so they didn't get much from the supporting characters with the exception of Yen who I thought had great enthusiasm and worked really well but that may just be because I enjoy him in general. I think what's shocking me so far is overall the movie just seemed poorly made. From the really bizarre pacing, especially towards the end ( why end on the Vader fan service? Great, it made everyone happy, but at the cost of almost the entire movie. Could I care about the characters any less than before if I already know their fate and then am shifted to a character that isn't particularly relevant to what's going on from their perspective?) to the editing ( why have those title cards which has never been a necessity in a Star Wars movie EVER and then abandon them halfway through, among other things?) and strange plot as a movie in general I thought it was a snoozer. And then of course the fan service was off the charts in a way that really only Ghostbusters 2016 has rivaled at this point. Even Marvel isn't as bad as that was and it's no secret that I am no fan of Marvel movies. If close up shots of blue milk, cameos by characters who were only bit parts to begin with, have no extended relevance and have no business being in the movie is where we're headed it's going to be cringe-worthy and hard to suspend disbelief. Why do I want to watch a movie I'm constantly being taken out of? I thought Grand Moff Tarkin and then, Leia, were both terrible ideas. I don't know how you guys feel about the 'uncanny valley' theory but mine was off the charts for this. Do I think it looked bad? No, of course not, it's impressive, but impressive isn't good enough when something like that needs to be perfect. All I saw were two cartoon people trying to be paraded around as real people and it didn't work for me at all. Maybe the day will come where we can't tell the difference but this was not the case. I like Gareth Edward's eye for cultures/people. I hated Godzilla but he has this going in Monsters pretty well. When these filmmakers embrace the visual precedent that Star Wars has already set, they do well. They try too hard to make things 'new' at times and it just isn't as good. That mining city in the beginning was like Coruscant but had it's own flavor. It was like the difference between New York and Detroit, something like that. Same with the desert streets with all those different alien types ( other than the cameo that made me want to gouge my eyeballs out). Best scene in the movie was the rebellion arguing about whether or not to listen to Jyn about the plans around that round table, where everyone that are supposed to be good guys were all being shady as hell and selfish. Also, Jimmy Smits owned that scene ( only to be ruined right after with his conversation with Mon Mothma where he just checked off all the talking points in three sentences "daughter" "clone wars" "jedi" etc.). That scene made things seem like they had some real weight and seriousness unlike Episode 7 where they figure out how to blow up the star killer in a 2 minute conversation after 30 years of unexplained struggle. While there are some things this movie (barely) did better than Episode 7, this did make me feel better about that movie and like it more so I guess that's a plus. I was gauging whether or not I would see any of the standalone Star Wars movies on this as I think they are a bad idea overall because it looked interesting and actually good in the trailers and now I know for sure I can skip them. These are all really solid points.. One thing I completely agree with is the fan service. Star Wars has enough to work off of that they don't need to constantly have call backs to the original trilogy.. When the two guys (Cornelius and Ponda) from the Cantina bumped into Jyn, I couldn't help but roll my eyes at such a ridiculous and unnecessary cameo.. That was one of the few moments that I totally hated and took me out of the movie. I'll also rival your Ghostbusters comparison of Rogue One to 2015's Jurassic World in terms of beating you over the head with fan service. We're living in a very odd time for big budget Hollywood cinema.. Where they seem to have put all their chips in on nostalgia and callbacks.. Even when the callbacks do not make a lick of sense. The more I think about it the more I believe that 'member berries are real. He lost me when he made comparisons to the GB remake.....seemed predisposed to dislike the movie if ya ask me......but to each their own and all that. I cant believe nobody is talking about the Rebels season 3 part 2 trailer??? good Lord people. |
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Post by RSCTom on Jan 5, 2017 13:16:42 GMT -5
These are all really solid points.. One thing I completely agree with is the fan service. Star Wars has enough to work off of that they don't need to constantly have call backs to the original trilogy.. When the two guys (Cornelius and Ponda) from the Cantina bumped into Jyn, I couldn't help but roll my eyes at such a ridiculous and unnecessary cameo.. That was one of the few moments that I totally hated and took me out of the movie. I'll also rival your Ghostbusters comparison of Rogue One to 2015's Jurassic World in terms of beating you over the head with fan service. We're living in a very odd time for big budget Hollywood cinema.. Where they seem to have put all their chips in on nostalgia and callbacks.. Even when the callbacks do not make a lick of sense. The more I think about it the more I believe that 'member berries are real. He lost me when he made comparisons to the GB remake.....seemed predisposed to dislike the movie if ya ask me......but to each their own and all that. I cant believe nobody is talking about the Rebels season 3 part 2 trailer??? good Lord people. Maybe I am predisposed, if that's the case. Ghostbusters problem, Jurassic World's problem, The Force Awakens problem, most modern day blockbusters...nobody is concerned about just doing their own thing. Ghostbusters would have been 100x better if they had at least attempted to not worry about the past. Everyone craps on the prequels, Crystal Skull, etc...they in no way play to nostalgia and tried to make their own, new scenes for better or for worse. Ghostbusters TRIES this, well even. That scene where they're blowing up the parade floats is great...and of course the last one HAS to be Stay Puft Marshmallow Man. Member berries are definitely real. Especially when they're built into the fiber of the plot you're building like TFA and JW. Why? Why do these things have to happen? Because people love the experience, being in the theater and clapping for things they already know about that can make them feel special. Nobody wants to be pushed to take in anything new. That's just the way I see it. Rogue One looked unique and different in the trailer to a degree that it was using pre-established elements in a new way and style and it was exciting (AT-AT blasts on the beach, the foreboding Death Star). The weight of this sort of thing was almost completely lost within the movie. When Rogue One was first announced you couldn't have paid me to watch it, and after the first trailer I knew I would buy a ticket. If anything my 'pre-disposition' was snuffed out. Meanwhile TFA was able to elevate both Kylo Ren and Rey and give us something new, different and welcoming in a way that fits in with the other Star Wars films snug like a glove. And of course most people hate him because he's 'whiny'. Just weird reasoning in my opinion. You walk a fine line between silly and unnecessary self reference and providing something 'new' and most movies are kind of like 'screw it' and it gets exhausting. Why mess with our suspension of disbelief? Creed did this best. Played off the Rocky timeline, brought something new and didn't forcefeed references to the previous Rocky movies, just gave them when needed as we were within that world and left it at that. There was no 'bump into Clubber Lang 30 years later' in the hallway just to get people to pop for Mr. T in the movie theater. They took the basis and created their own thing. It seems simple to me in some cases and the only reason I can think it isn't done more often is the general need to suck down as much nostalgia as possible for most movie-goers. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 5, 2017 13:34:35 GMT -5
He lost me when he made comparisons to the GB remake.....seemed predisposed to dislike the movie if ya ask me......but to each their own and all that. I cant believe nobody is talking about the Rebels season 3 part 2 trailer??? good Lord people. Maybe I am predisposed, if that's the case. Ghostbusters problem, Jurassic World's problem, The Force Awakens problem, most modern day blockbusters...nobody is concerned about just doing their own thing. Ghostbusters would have been 100x better if they had at least attempted to not worry about the past. Everyone craps on the prequels, Crystal Skull, etc...they in no way play to nostalgia and tried to make their own, new scenes for better or for worse. Ghostbusters TRIES this, well even. That scene where they're blowing up the parade floats is great...and of course the last one HAS to be Stay Puft Marshmallow Man. Member berries are definitely real. Especially when they're built into the fiber of the plot you're building like TFA and JW. Why? Why do these things have to happen? Because people love the experience, being in the theater and clapping for things they already know about that can make them feel special. Nobody wants to be pushed to take in anything new. That's just the way I see it. Rogue One looked unique and different in the trailer to a degree that it was using pre-established elements in a new way and style and it was exciting (AT-AT blasts on the beach, the foreboding Death Star). The weight of this sort of thing was almost completely lost within the movie. When Rogue One was first announced you couldn't have paid me to watch it, and after the first trailer I knew I would buy a ticket. If anything my 'pre-disposition' was snuffed out. Meanwhile TFA was able to elevate both Kylo Ren and Rey and give us something new, different and welcoming in a way that fits in with the other Star Wars films snug like a glove. And of course most people hate him because he's 'whiny'. Just weird reasoning in my opinion. You walk a fine line between silly and unnecessary self reference and providing something 'new' and most movies are kind of like 'screw it' and it gets exhausting. Why mess with our suspension of disbelief? Creed did this best. Played off the Rocky timeline, brought something new and didn't forcefeed references to the previous Rocky movies, just gave them when needed as we were within that world and left it at that. There was no 'bump into Clubber Lang 30 years later' in the hallway just to get people to pop for Mr. T in the movie theater. They took the basis and created their own thing. It seems simple to me in some cases and the only reason I can think it isn't done more often is the general need to suck down as much nostalgia as possible for most movie-goers. as I said to each their own........Rogue One blew my expectations away. I also LOVED TFA. I understand some of your points but most of it?nah. GB NEVER had any shot of being any good in my book and I was right-it was HORRIFIC and not because of nods and winks. Rotten from stem to stern. |
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Post by T R W on Jan 5, 2017 13:46:36 GMT -5
I agree with the fan service being unnecessary with some of the cameos. However as a fan of the movies since the the late 70s, I still liked the movie a lot. And in general I don't like prequels. I generally prefer to move forward. There were pacing issues at the beginning, and it is far from a perfect film. But God was it light years better than the prequels. While the characters were more bland than usual, I still enjoyed them. I honestly could barely tell with the CGI on Tarkin. Personally I loved that. While he didn't have to be used quite as much as he was, I think he is an essential part of the Death Star story. Though honestly I would have been fine if they had re-cast him too. The Leia scene didn't bother me at all.
My biggest complaints about Star Wars movies is that there are too many coincidences already. So I definitely don't want Rey to be related to Ben Kenobi or anyone of note. New characters with no attachments to original ones are sorely needed. That being said I still really enjoyed TFA, and Rogue One. If anything I feel like I love Star Wars again, because after the prequels I had really soured on the franchise as a whole.
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Post by RSCTom on Jan 5, 2017 16:47:45 GMT -5
Glad y'all were able to enjoy it. Let me know how the rest of them are
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jan 6, 2017 23:03:25 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing this.
Oh.
My.
God.
That was fantastic. Like seriously I loved every second of that movie. I enjoyed that a lot more than TFA and I loved TFA as well.
Disney getting Star Wars was the absolute best thing that could have happened to the franchise.
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 19, 2017 12:55:30 GMT -5
Ep8 teaser mustn't be far off now......they are saying late Feb/March. I have a feeling The passing of Carrie Fisher has effected how they might present the trailer.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 19, 2017 19:47:31 GMT -5
I thought KK said no Episode 8 footage until Spring? Maybe that didn't include the teaser though.
I could go the full year and not see a single frame of this movie before December 15th and I'd still be insanely pumped, more so than I was for 7 even. I think Johnson is going to really get this right.
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 22, 2017 17:34:02 GMT -5
I thought KK said no Episode 8 footage until Spring? Maybe that didn't include the teaser though. I could go the full year and not see a single frame of this movie before December 15th and I'd still be insanely pumped, more so than I was for 7 even. I think Johnson is going to really get this right. Feb 1st is the start of spring....So yeah not far off.... Superbowl maybe?? |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 22, 2017 18:26:27 GMT -5
I thought KK said no Episode 8 footage until Spring? Maybe that didn't include the teaser though. I could go the full year and not see a single frame of this movie before December 15th and I'd still be insanely pumped, more so than I was for 7 even. I think Johnson is going to really get this right. Feb 1st is the start of spring....So yeah not far off.... Superbowl maybe?? Here is hoping! |
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 23, 2017 3:50:56 GMT -5
Feb 1st is the start of spring....So yeah not far off.... Superbowl maybe?? Here is hoping! for sure......I'm gasping for info on this one.......GASPING. |
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Jan 23, 2017 12:47:00 GMT -5
 Annoyed that it's not yellow. However, all aboard the hype train! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 14:45:21 GMT -5
Annoyed that it's not yellow. However, all aboard the hype train! In the Clone Wars cartoon, the red logo meant crapwas about to go down, especially with Darth Maul and Asajj Ventress. Hm... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 14:48:41 GMT -5
I've always liked the red logo, personally.
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 23, 2017 18:54:48 GMT -5
Love it........BRING IT. I'm f*ckin ready!!
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Post by Word™ on Jan 24, 2017 0:55:52 GMT -5
Now just remember, kids!
Jedi is both a singular AND plural term..
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 24, 2017 4:54:46 GMT -5
Now just remember, kids! Jedi is both a singular AND plural term.. It sure is.......and it doesn't effect my excitement or state of readiness in the effin slightest!! |
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Post by Word™ on Jan 24, 2017 14:40:54 GMT -5
Now just remember, kids! Jedi is both a singular AND plural term.. It sure is.......and it doesn't effect my excitement or state of readiness in the effin slightest!! I think it's a great title. I do hope that Episode 9 doesn't continue with the "THE" pattern though.. That's probably the only thing that I noticed, it's the first time in Star Wars that back to back movies had a subtitle starting with "THE". I just think overuse of the word in a title can make it cheese. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 15:29:51 GMT -5
Now just remember, kids! Jedi is both a singular AND plural term.. Eh, I'm 99% sure that Luke will die. He will sacrifice himself or something, after he reveals that Rey and Kylo are siblings. Something like that. |
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