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Post by tg11 on Sept 5, 2016 16:26:38 GMT -5
You know when Savage left in 94 to go to WCW what if Savage had stayed in the WWF in 94 and beyond 94 then where would Savage's career went from there?
How would Savage have fit into the New Generation (1994 to 1996)?
How would have Savage fit into the Attitude Era in the WWF (1997 to 2001)?
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 5, 2016 16:51:10 GMT -5
In Vince's eyes, he felt Savage was done by then, and would have wanted him to be the voice of WWE, almost like a real life mascot for the WWE.
Even though in 1997, we saw some of Randy's best matches when he was up against DDP in that feud. It was so good that I believe it won feud of the year in the PWI Magazine that year.
So Randy actually made a smart choice in leaving the WWE when he did.
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Post by The Brain on Sept 5, 2016 18:00:34 GMT -5
If Savage stayed he would of still been on commentary with an occasional match every now and then. In the Attitude Era he might of had another run as WWF Champion but with a completely revamped gimmick as the colorful look would look out of place especially in that era.
All these years later it still ticks me off how his WWF run ended. I didn't mind him at all in the booth but he could still go in the ring. Vince really dropped the ball on this one. It's really a shame he passed away before we got a proper farewell from him.
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Post by ricflair4ever on Sept 6, 2016 12:27:33 GMT -5
On one hand ,had he stayed, he would no doubt be considered more than the after thought he seems to be in the eyes of the company now. But he probably wouldn't have been nearly as satisfied with his career as he should have been. WCW gave him a huge shot in the arm to prove that not only could he still go.....but go on a major level. His WCW run against Flair was BETTER than his WWF run with him. And,of course, the deal with DDP was pure gold. It was done right. Savage got to ,again, show how capable he was in adapting to the changing wrestling climate AND put another star on the map by working with and putting Page over. He MAY have got to do a fraction of that in WWF had he stayed, but probably not to extent he would have been.satisfied with. I heard he did want a big angle with HBK if he had remained there. Gave them a bunch of ideas about how to do it and build it over the course of the year,and got it vetoed later in favor of just keeping him in the booth. But, if he didn't make the jump, i feel he probably would have gotten a smaller scale version of his proposed angle with Shawn, and maybe worked an angle during the Attitude Era with Rock ,Austin, or HHH. It would have no doubt happened with one of those three i believe. But ,again, probably a short program and not much more than that. Would've been interesting thats certain. However, theres not a doubt in my mind that jumping to WCW was the best move he could have made.
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Post by UltimateCollector78 on Sept 6, 2016 12:54:51 GMT -5
If Randy Savage never left the WWF in 1994, there would have been a very good chance Steph and Trips would never have gotten togther
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Post by JC Motors on Sept 9, 2016 11:17:21 GMT -5
If Randy Savage never left the WWF in 1994, there would have been a very good chance Steph and Trips would never have gotten togther Could we let that rumor die now?
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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 9, 2016 11:33:57 GMT -5
In Vince's eyes, he felt Savage was done by then, and would have wanted him to be the voice of WWE, almost like a real life mascot for the WWE. Even though in 1997, we saw some of Randy's best matches when he was up against DDP in that feud. It was so good that I believe it won feud of the year in the PWI Magazine that year. So Randy actually made a smart choice in leaving the WWE when he did. Pretty much on point with Savage's career. But I'll take it a different route as to how it would affect wrestling history: Macho Man's defection to WCW saved wrestling. Why? Without Savage, the nWo would not have been that big of a draw. We would have either seen Sting/Luger vs. Outsiders or the Outsiders and a 3rd man up against Luger/Sting/Hogan. Remember. Macho Man was the one who ate the Atmoic Leg Drop. Assuming Bischoff still wanted to go through with the invasion angle, you have 4 real options. Hogan turns on Luger/Sting mid match. Luger turns on Sting/Hogan. Sting turns on Luger/Hogan. OR, Bischoff brings in someone else from WWE. At the time, rumors were that Michaels was jumping, but McMahon stopped that somehow. So the only logical one was Syxx if he could get out of his contract by then. I'm guessing he couldn't, otherwise he would have been brought in sooner than he was. If Hogan does not turn, you have the same failed dungeon of doom angle but with outsiders. You have them all going up against Hogan and losing. If Sting is the turncoat, you may get crow Sting. If not, he just helps Hogan knockdown Hall and Nash. So, the nWo isn't as groundbreaking as a result. Reason nWo worked so well aside from the invaders was because you had the biggest name in sports entertainment period going bad. Remember Sting's heel turn in WCW? People still cheered for him. No real reason to believe it wouldn't have been the same result so the angle would have flopped--especially if Luger turned. He was the original Big Show from the 90s. End result is that Hogan would have gone over the nWo and that would be the end of that after a year. No long drawn out feud. Just a six month feud. At that point, why would Hogan turn? he's the biggest name in wrestling, and only "sharing" the main event slot with Sting and Flair. He doesn't have to try to beat out the Macho Man for TV time. He's King of the Castle. So he can rest on his laurels. Without the nWo running rampant, WCW doesn't need to create DDP the Main Eventer. He flounders and is all but forgotten. He has no reason to feud with Hogan at that point. Without the nWo running rampant, WCW doesn't win the ratings war. McMahon isn't creating the Attitude era. Austin is floundering as the Ringmaster. Rock is jobbing out as Rocky Maivia. Without the nWo, Vince has no competition and continue down his New Generation path. Savage's role in WCW was absolutely needed.Hogan dropping the leg on Luger or Sting would not have been as big. He had no real history with them. But with Randy, they were either bffs or mortal enemies at any time. For Hogan to ultimately crush Savage with the leg drop during the BATB when tensions were high was THE moment wrestling changed. A torture rack by Luger would not have done it. A Deathlock by Sting would not be enough. You needed Hogan to turn, and he wasn't going to do that without Savage being in WCW.
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Post by UltimateCollector78 on Sept 9, 2016 13:48:48 GMT -5
If Randy Savage never left the WWF in 1994, there would have been a very good chance Steph and Trips would never have gotten togther Could we let that rumor die now? One of the only few major wresting rumors that was never debunked, so no it will live on forever. Dig It?
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 13, 2016 13:04:24 GMT -5
I feel Vince missed a massive trick with Savage during the New Generation. He should have been used as a bitter heel who despised this New Generation deal and everything that came with it. Just think of the quality programmes we would have been privy to.
But he did great in WCW from 1995-1997. He should have been nothing to do with the Wolfpac.....he should have stayed with Hogan and let Hall join the Wolfpac.
But he is another guy whos jump had a huge impact.....its well laid out above.
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Post by PJ on Sept 13, 2016 16:03:08 GMT -5
While I hadn't liked Savage as much as I had once he switched to the cowboy hats and long tights, because I felt he became a to over the top comic book character there was no denying he could still go in the ring. That said I doubt he would have done anything in the WWE except an occasional match/story or Royal Rumble appearance.
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Post by koreygunz on Sept 13, 2016 18:11:08 GMT -5
I'm a huge Savage fan, and thought he could have contributed at the time for sure, but I must admit I hated to see him get a bit out of shape/lose muscle mass in 92 thru the end of his run. I'm sure the steroid trial in 92 had a lot to do with it but still. He had gained a lot back when he showed up in WCW and was going with the tights and no shirt look
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