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Post by SteveHulk on Dec 29, 2018 23:54:50 GMT -5
Just... wow.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Dec 30, 2018 0:06:27 GMT -5
No doubt that is the GOAT of women's mma.
Cyborg.
Rousey.
Tate.
Shevchenko. Twice.
It seems 2 lifetimes ago she was a huge underdog vs Miesha. Everyone thought Ronda would feast on her. Thought Valentina would take the belt. Said she was gonna get killed tonight.
Congrats Amanda Nunes.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Dec 30, 2018 0:33:15 GMT -5
Questions answered and critics silenced.
Bring on DC!
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Post by SteveHulk on Dec 30, 2018 1:40:40 GMT -5
The fight to make (imo) is Jones Vs DC at Heavyweight... I mean, we've already seen Jones Vs DC at 205 twice already (although one was a No Contest) and the different weight would create even more interest/intrigue.
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Post by rkmo: Everyone Else but Me on Dec 30, 2018 4:59:02 GMT -5
Questions answered and critics silenced. Bring on DC! Steroids. Nah, that didn't do it. |
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Dec 30, 2018 9:12:55 GMT -5
Questions answered and critics silenced. Bring on DC! Steroids. Nah, that didn't do it. Then that honestly just makes you a hater. Unless he gets stripped for a dirty piss this fight. He shut that tall ass bitch down. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 17:06:51 GMT -5
Nunes is such a  ing beast |
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Post by K5 on Jan 2, 2019 10:02:43 GMT -5
Steroids. Nah, that didn't do it. Then that honestly just makes you a hater. Unless he gets stripped for a dirty piss this fight. He shut that tall ass bitch down. I don’t dislike Jon Jones, but I think it’s totally ridiculous how they’ve completely revised their standards towards steroids to allow Jones’ fight to continue. microdosing and other methods of using steroids but being clean on test day are rampant both in the bodybuilding world and sports. there’s doctors specifically for that. jones’ got caught with performing enhancing drugs in his system before this fight, so it is a blemished victory no matter what argument is put forward. |
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jan 2, 2019 12:01:50 GMT -5
Then that honestly just makes you a hater. Unless he gets stripped for a dirty piss this fight. He shut that tall ass bitch down. I don’t dislike Jon Jones, but I think it’s totally ridiculous how they’ve completely revised their standards towards steroids to allow Jones’ fight to continue. microdosing and other methods of using steroids but being clean on test day are rampant both in the bodybuilding world and sports. there’s doctors specifically for that. jones’ got caught with performing enhancing drugs in his system before this fight, so it is a blemished victory no matter what argument is put forward. The problem is people over value the effects of PEDs. Not just in mma but overall. How much impact would some roids have on your personal ability to hit a 98 mph fastball 450 feet? Not much right? You're likely still whiffing. It's the same in mma. I've never seen a single study to support the idea that PEDs prevent you from getting knocked out or submitted, or that they help you with hand eye coordination and timing. If you listen to Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire or many other speak, they damn sure don't make you smarter. There are other example in the UFC of fighters getting the same light consequences. Yoel Romero got popped, and suspended, same as Jones. Has walked back into nothing but title fights, his ass just can't win those fights. Or make weight. But it's not as if daddy Dana didn't look out for him. Jones beat Gus the first time. Sorry guys, but he did. Clean test. Same with DC. Clean test. He's already proven superiority. The truth is, people just latch onto thisbcrapwith Jones because he is hands down the best of all time. If it was Jimi Manuwa, nobody would care. It's the same thing with Tom Brady. Nobody would talk about "deflategate" if it happened to the Lions. Nobody. Not to mention, drugs are always ahead or tests. Dozens of fighters are doping and not getting caught. Easily dozens. I'm not USADA, I'm not the UFC, I'm not a researcher. All I know is I have fought. Amateur obviously, but still. If I'm better than you, ain't a needle in the world gonna save you. And of I lose, it's because I wasn't good enough. Not because I need an excuse or an out. Ashlee Evans-Smith TKO'd a grown man. So I don't care for the excuses. I don't care if he had a vibranium shield. You win, or you took an L. Excuse the rant. |
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Post by K5 on Jan 2, 2019 12:19:16 GMT -5
The problem is people over value the effects of PEDs. Not just in mma but overall. How much impact would some roids have on your personal ability to hit a 98 mph fastball 450 feet? Not much right? You're likely still whiffing. It's the same in mma. I've never seen a single study to support the idea that PEDs prevent you from getting knocked out or submitted, or that they help you with hand eye coordination and timing. If you listen to Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire or many other speak, they damn sure don't make you smarter. There are other example in the UFC of fighters getting the same light consequences. Yoel Romero got popped, and suspended, same as Jones. Has walked back into nothing but title fights, his ass just can't win those fights. Or make weight. But it's not as if daddy Dana didn't look out for him. Jones beat Gus the first time. Sorry guys, but he did. Clean test. Same with DC. Clean test. He's already proven superiority. The truth is, people just latch onto thisbcrap with Jones because he is hands down the best of all time. If it was Jimi Manuwa, nobody would care. It's the same thing with Tom Brady. Nobody would talk about "deflategate" if it happened to the Lions. Nobody. Not to mention, drugs are always ahead or tests. Dozens of fighters are doping and not getting caught. Easily dozens. I'm not USADA, I'm not the UFC, I'm not a researcher. All I know is I have fought. Amateur obviously, but still. If I'm better than you, ain't a needle in the world gonna save you. And of I lose, it's because I wasn't good enough. Not because I need an excuse or an out. Ashlee Evans-Smith TKO'd a grown man. So I don't care for the excuses. I don't care if he had a vibranium shield. You win, or you took an L. Excuse the rant. yoel romero never tested positive for steroids before a fight, and then that fight been allowed to proceed. so not a single fighter in history has actually been granted permission to fight after being clearly busted, so to say others have gotten the same light consequences is totally incorrect. also, steroid usage in baseball was directly linked to more powerful hits = more home runs. it directly affected their ability of performance, hence why even Mark McGuire acknowledges that he shouldn't be in the hof. look at someone like Vitor Belfort - he was going into his final years as a fighter, slowing down, then BOOM UFC allows TRT and all these old PRIDE fighters are suddenly having a final run looking jacked. also, PEDs have been known to change the bone structure, particularly by strengthening the jawline and cheek structure. different bone structure = different absorption rates to blows. that's just basic science. I have a friend who was a blue belt judo amateur performer. he added some testosterone and trenbolene to his regiment, and bam he is now holding the championship belt within a cage fighting promotion within 6 months. did he have to work on his skills in order to accomplish any of that? absolutely, but something keeping you strong, keeping you from injury, keeping your appetite, and keeping you from being sick is a direct benefit PEDs have for performing athletes. especially at lower weight classes where guys are dropping a ton of weight - he keeps his strength throughout it and only loses water and fat. if that's not a definitive advantage through PEDs I don't know what is. steroids change the mentality of the fighter. it changes the physiology of the fighter. rather they should be banned or not is a different discussion, but jon jones being allowed to perform despite clearly having steroids in his system is a slap in the face to other fighters and the sport itself. |
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Post by SteveHulk on Jan 3, 2019 0:44:17 GMT -5
The problem is people over value the effects of PEDs. Not just in mma but overall. Sorry mate, but I totally disagree with this - the benefits of TRT/PEDs in MMA are plain to see... they have proven to have a significant effect. They make a fighter stronger, more powerful and more durable; the fighter can work out longer, harder and more often. And being able to train more than your opponent is a major edge, as it allows you to hone your skills (helping with things like timing and coordination) and potentially develop a technical edge. That’s in addition to the physical advantage you’re already developing due to the added muscle that steroids will give you - and considerable mental advantages PEDs can/will give a fighter too. also, steroid usage in baseball was directly linked to more powerful hits = more home runs. it directly affected their ability of performance, hence why even Mark McGuire acknowledges that he shouldn't be in the hof. look at someone like Vitor Belfort - he was going into his final years as a fighter, slowing down, then BOOM UFC allows TRT and all these old PRIDE fighters are suddenly having a final run looking jacked. also, PEDs have been known to change the bone structure, particularly by strengthening the jawline and cheek structure. different bone structure = different absorption rates to blows. that's just basic science. Vitor is a great example: on TRT, he was landing these awesome spinning wheel-kicks... yet off TRT, he could barely put together a decent combination...? And how about Bigfoot Silva... he survived some huge shots (and knockdowns) against Mark Hunt in their first fight - yet in their rematch (off TRT) he pretty much crumbles when Hunt lands his first decent shot? The difference is plain to see. At the end of the day - whatever way you look at it - PED's in MMA would not be banned if they didn't have a significant positive effect... and high profile fighters certainly wouldn't risk their reputation or possible years off their career for something that has little or no benefit. |
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jan 3, 2019 8:50:34 GMT -5
The problem is people over value the effects of PEDs. Not just in mma but overall. Sorry mate, but I totally disagree with this - the benefits of TRT/PEDs in MMA are plain to see... they have proven to have a significant effect. They make a fighter stronger, more powerful and more durable; the fighter can work out longer, harder and more often. And being able to train more than your opponent is a major edge, as it allows you to hone your skills (helping with things like timing and coordination) and potentially develop a technical edge. That’s in addition to the physical advantage you’re already developing due to the added muscle that steroids will give you - and considerable mental advantages PEDs can/will give a fighter too. also, steroid usage in baseball was directly linked to more powerful hits = more home runs. it directly affected their ability of performance, hence why even Mark McGuire acknowledges that he shouldn't be in the hof. look at someone like Vitor Belfort - he was going into his final years as a fighter, slowing down, then BOOM UFC allows TRT and all these old PRIDE fighters are suddenly having a final run looking jacked. also, PEDs have been known to change the bone structure, particularly by strengthening the jawline and cheek structure. different bone structure = different absorption rates to blows. that's just basic science. Vitor is a great example: on TRT, he was landing these awesome spinning wheel-kicks... yet off TRT, he could barely put together a decent combination...? And how about Bigfoot Silva... he survived some huge shots (and knockdowns) against Mark Hunt in their first fight - yet in their rematch (off TRT) he pretty much crumbles when Hunt lands his first decent shot? The difference is plain to see. At the end of the day - whatever way you look at it - PED's in MMA would not be banned if they didn't have a significant positive effect... and high profile fighters certainly wouldn't risk their reputation or possible years off their career for something that has little or no benefit. I agree it makes you bigger and stronger. I just don't agree that that's the be all end all of ANY sport. That's one small part. Again, timing, coordination, natural skill in striking, understanding of the sport, they can't be injected. I'm not saying it makes absolutely no difference, but the amount is overstated. It can make a good fighter really good. It can make a real good fighter great. It can't make an average fighter great. Not to mention extra muscle slows you down and hurts your stamina/cardio, at least until you get used to carrying it. Also disagree about the last part. Marijuana doesn't offer any benefits, yet it's banned. |
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Post by SteveHulk on Jan 4, 2019 0:15:07 GMT -5
I agree it makes you bigger and stronger. I just don't agree that that's the be all end all of ANY sport. That's one small part. Again, timing, coordination, natural skill in striking, understanding of the sport, they can't be injected. I'm not saying it makes absolutely no difference, but the amount is overstated. It can make a good fighter really good. It can make a real good fighter great. It can't make an average fighter great. Not to mention extra muscle slows you down and hurts your stamina/cardio, at least until you get used to carrying it. Oh, it's certainly not the be all and end all - but it does give unfair advantages.... it makes someone the very best they can be. And it can help with things like timing and coordination... in fact, that's exactly what they do: the fighter can work out longer, harder and more often and can hone their skills (eg. Vitor's spinning wheel-kick). PEDs can also add power to strikes and strength to things like take-downs (and take-down defence). All in all, they can make a HUGE difference. That's because (rightly or wrongly) it's illegal in most States and nearly all countries... there's no way USADA would legalize something for MMA that is (mostly) illegal in everyday life. |
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jan 4, 2019 14:09:58 GMT -5
I agree it makes you bigger and stronger. I just don't agree that that's the be all end all of ANY sport. That's one small part. Again, timing, coordination, natural skill in striking, understanding of the sport, they can't be injected. I'm not saying it makes absolutely no difference, but the amount is overstated. It can make a good fighter really good. It can make a real good fighter great. It can't make an average fighter great. Not to mention extra muscle slows you down and hurts your stamina/cardio, at least until you get used to carrying it. Oh, it's certainly not the be all and end all - but it does give unfair advantages.... it makes someone the very best they can be. And it can help with things like timing and coordination... in fact, that's exactly what they do: the fighter can work out longer, harder and more often and can hone their skills (eg. Vitor's spinning wheel-kick). PEDs can also add power to strikes and strength to things like take-downs (and take-down defence). All in all, they can make a HUGE difference. That's because (rightly or wrongly) it's illegal in most States and nearly all countries... there's no way USADA would legalize something for MMA that is (mostly) illegal in everyday life. Yeah, if you look at it in the light of well, it improves stamina and health then you can practice more, then sure. |
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jan 6, 2019 12:19:58 GMT -5
So Anthony Smith is facing Jon Jones for the title. I like Anthony Smith, but i think this is gonna be an easy fight for Jones
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jan 6, 2019 20:08:57 GMT -5
So Anthony Smith is facing Jon Jones for the title. I like Anthony Smith, but i think this is gonna be an easy fight for Jones Thats...a weird choice. |
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Post by SteveHulk on Jan 6, 2019 23:07:36 GMT -5
Smith has had some good wins recently, but it's still an easy night for Bones (imo)... aside from DC, there doesn't really seem to be any decent/stand-out challengers in the LHW division though. I'm sure Rumble Johnson said he'd come out of retirement if he could fight Jones though(?)... that would be still be interesting.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jan 7, 2019 14:40:19 GMT -5
Smith has had some good wins recently, but it's still an easy night for Bones (imo)... aside from DC, there doesn't really seem to be any decent/stand-out challengers in the LHW division though. I'm sure Rumble Johnson said he'd come out of retirement if he could fight Jones though(?)... that would be still be interesting. Once i saw that Smith was exhausted to the point that he couldnt get up for a few minutes after his fight with Volkan, i knew there that he needed a few more wins before hes ready. Plus his big wins were against guys who are past their prime. |
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jan 7, 2019 15:50:59 GMT -5
Smith has had some good wins recently, but it's still an easy night for Bones (imo)... aside from DC, there doesn't really seem to be any decent/stand-out challengers in the LHW division though. I'm sure Rumble Johnson said he'd come out of retirement if he could fight Jones though(?)... that would be still be interesting. Once i saw that Smith was exhausted to the point that he couldnt get up for a few minutes after his fight with Volkan, i knew there that he needed a few more wins before hes ready. Plus his big wins were against guys who are past their prime. To be fair, and big Jones guy here, that was the case in a lot of Jones wins too until Gus and Dc. |
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jan 15, 2019 20:12:18 GMT -5
Already hating this move to ESPN. What the is espn+ ? Now I have to pay to watch the non ppv events too? Yeah no. Shove it Dana. |
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