havoc7179
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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 12, 2016 15:20:37 GMT -5
With the exception of Bray and Kane, did anyone else notice that the matches all ended after one finisher and with the opponent not hitting his?
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Styles Clash 1, Dirty Deeds 0 = Result Pin from Styles Clash
Skull Crushing Finale 1, Zig Zag 0 = Result Pin from Skull Crushing Finale
Gore 1, Uso Splash/Tequila Sunrise Kick Combo 0 = Result Pin from Gore
Tequila Sunrise Kick Combo 1, Hype Ryder 0 = Result Submission from Tequila Sunrise
1 Sharpshooter, 1 Tyson Kidd/Cesaro Finisher to Bliss, 1 Fireman Cutter to Nikki, and 1 Disarmher = Resuls Eliminations
If the new era isn't about false finishes and constant kick outs of finishers, I'm liking it more and more. This was the first PPV in the longest of times where the finishers did as intended.
It actually makes sense that it took Kane 2 finishers to beat Bray. Kane is Attitude Era where hitting your finisher more than once was expected.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 12, 2016 15:36:18 GMT -5
I've been saying for years that the WWe killed the idea of finishers. If a guy needs to hit a move 3+ times in a match then it's not a finisher.
Last night Dean and AJ put on the best main event of the year by showing how to tell a compelling story without the need to kill big moves.
The Cena/AJ match was the best match at SS but I did find it overrated as most Cena matches are IMO due to the constant hitting and kicking out of finishers. I hope last night is a recipe for big matches going forward as the ending made sense and left both guys looking strong without killing their move sets.
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Post by Rude Awakening on Sept 12, 2016 15:37:34 GMT -5
I loved it last night, definitely made great a better show.
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Post by Edge618 on Sept 12, 2016 15:40:01 GMT -5
I hope it continues. The over use of false finishes made matches so boring. I couldnt invest in watching a 25 minutes match, where the first 20 minutes didnt matter because you know in title matches theyre going to trade finishes at least once before the finish. Its now a shock, and refreshing to see guys win off one finish. Its almost as if a one finisher finish is the new false finish becuase it isnt expected. Say that 3 times fast.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 15:43:30 GMT -5
Excellent observance.
It's all good things.
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Post by Dan on Sept 12, 2016 15:50:46 GMT -5
It was refreshing to see. In my opinion, false finishers should only come out if a feud has lasted three PPV's, or it's a Summerslam/Wrestlemania. It adds value the less they are used.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 15:58:02 GMT -5
Idk still going out on a limb and saying vince runs raw with hhh making sure it geta by on his new talent although if someone cant get over he will try to help...(punk,bryan,Shield[:-P Roman Reigns]
Smackdown is amazing honestly. Since the 2nd show theyve done things in wwe i didnt know were possible.
Now if a legit champ can hold the ic belt idk... Miz had the best moves in years in that match.
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Post by marino13 on Sept 12, 2016 16:00:46 GMT -5
I always thought ECW was to blame for the false finish. They'd have guys get DDT'ed from the top of the rafters through 5 flaming tables, and there would still be a kick out at 2.9. And the trend stuck. Which is fine occasionally, but they over used it. Glad to see they may be getting away with that now.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 12, 2016 16:17:05 GMT -5
Good. That's the way it should be.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 12, 2016 16:33:48 GMT -5
It's good because finishers are meant to be moves that are so brutal they end the match and for years they were just a signiture move that weren't really effective so I'm glad to see them being used as match enders.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 12, 2016 16:53:50 GMT -5
I always thought ECW was to blame for the false finish. They'd have guys get DDT'ed from the top of the rafters through 5 flaming tables, and there would still be a kick out at 2.9. And the trend stuck. Which is fine occasionally, but they over used it. Glad to see they may be getting away with that now. I put it more down to Undertaker vs Michaels at WrestleMania 25. Obviously it happened before then, but it was very sparing. It seemed like ever since Mania 25 though and the reactions that match got, WWE decided that was the way to go for big epic matches. And the thing that really ran it into the ground was Cena having to hit 2 or 3 finishers to beat midcarders on Raw during his US open challenge. |
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Post by TheLastDude on Sept 12, 2016 17:12:30 GMT -5
I always thought ECW was to blame for the false finish. They'd have guys get DDT'ed from the top of the rafters through 5 flaming tables, and there would still be a kick out at 2.9. And the trend stuck. Which is fine occasionally, but they over used it. Glad to see they may be getting away with that now. Agreed. It should be saved for big time matches, or occasionally to get someone over as either a supreme underdog achieving greatness or a "you can't keep this guy down" guy. |
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Sept 12, 2016 17:44:10 GMT -5
Either way it was a damn fine show.
AJ and Ambrose killed it last night.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 18:44:20 GMT -5
It always baffled me that they did so many false finishes. They're making their own jobs harder by finding even better ways to keep an opponent down for the three count.
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Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Sept 12, 2016 19:03:11 GMT -5
I always thought ECW was to blame for the false finish. They'd have guys get DDT'ed from the top of the rafters through 5 flaming tables, and there would still be a kick out at 2.9. And the trend stuck. Which is fine occasionally, but they over used it. Glad to see they may be getting away with that now. I put it more down to Undertaker vs Michaels at WrestleMania 25. Obviously it happened before then, but it was very sparing. It seemed like ever since Mania 25 though and the reactions that match got, WWE decided that was the way to go for big epic matches. And the thing that really ran it into the ground was Cena having to hit 2 or 3 finishers to beat midcarders on Raw during his US open challenge. I'd put it more on the the Cena/Owens matches than the US open challenges. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Sept 12, 2016 19:36:15 GMT -5
False finishes have been a cliché for far too long. Their called finishers for Christ sake, not transitional moves. I agree, doing away with false finishes adds something.
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Post by Infinite on Sept 12, 2016 20:14:12 GMT -5
Been saying this for a while but I'd love for them to just abandon the finisher system. At least be more creative with it.
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 13, 2016 13:37:39 GMT -5
Finishing moves need to have mystique for them to be effective storytelling devices. WWE has really gone away from that concept over the past decade... Even in midcard matches. Let's protect these finishers and make it mean something not only when someone hits them, but when a guy goes all-out to avoid being on the receiving end of them as well. Remember the Stunner? Guys used to avoid that like the plague because they knew it was lights out if he hits you with it. More of this, please!
And great observation, OP!
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 13, 2016 14:25:47 GMT -5
I always thought ECW was to blame for the false finish. They'd have guys get DDT'ed from the top of the rafters through 5 flaming tables, and there would still be a kick out at 2.9. And the trend stuck. Which is fine occasionally, but they over used it. Glad to see they may be getting away with that now. I put it more down to Undertaker vs Michaels at WrestleMania 25. Obviously it happened before then, but it was very sparing. It seemed like ever since Mania 25 though and the reactions that match got, WWE decided that was the way to go for big epic matches. And the thing that really ran it into the ground was Cena having to hit 2 or 3 finishers to beat midcarders on Raw during his US open challenge. Yep. The difference was that Michaels and Taker were two of the greatest of all time and it made sense that it would take more to get it done. That same storytelling doesn't work over-and-over again. To some degree, it works for ROH and PWG because the audience is comfortable with that style, but in WWE, if the emotion isn't there for the match, it takes you right out of it. The Miz and Ziggler were great. We saw the submissions and the signatures moves actually mean something at Backlash. They were creating that "false finisher" feel with their other moves and that makes for a much better match imo. I think everyone, the wrestlers and audience, can benefit from seeing more variety in movesets, better timed signature spots, and big, one finisher, endings. I think we're starting to see better in-ring psychology in general, or at least we did at Backlash. |
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Post by ohernan6 on Sept 13, 2016 17:30:31 GMT -5
I noticed as well... and I like it a lot!
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