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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 30, 2016 22:42:28 GMT -5
False. They were nearly selling out the Manhattan Center for 3 straight nights of tapings in NYC. I wouldnt try and run in Nashville or Atlanta either. They dont provide an advantage over Orlando area and are not in the hot bed of pro wrestling in the north east. Its more than just how many tickets are sold though...how much it costs vs. how much you can generate is more important. If TNA can only draw a house of 300 people but can make a 20% profit...thats better than drawing a house of 3000 and making a 2% profit. You're actually trying to argue that because they drew good crowds in 2014 that they're magically going to repeat the process in 2016? The simple fact of the matter is that TNA is going to lose money running live events in Orlando or New York or whatever city you're going to throw around as being the "hot bed of pro wrestling" because TNA is not a draw. Blaming the location is just passing the buck which is not what TNA needs to do. They're millions of dollars in debt with little ad revenue coming in and an inability to draw crowds that make running non-Orlando shows logical. They'd be just as  ed in New York as they are in Orlando and there ain't no amount of breakfasts with Jeff Hardy or autograph sessions with Gail Kim or street teams that'll change any of that. Yes....I am gonna argue that. TNA has a better product today than in 2014 during that time. Maybe they cant sell 3 nights out now. But they can still do strong business in the Northeast. TNA is not a draw is 100% false. TNA does draw. There is factual data to support this. A name like Robbie E. was nothing more than a suitable indy wrestler that grinded to get bookings. He goes to TNA, establishes himself on this 2nd rate, 3rd rate..whatever level program and now is booked, flown, turning down bookings, doing autograph conventions, etc. That is a direct result of Robbie E's work, but more importantly...the exposure he has received from TNA. In addition, losing $100 and losing $1 is a big difference. Without the ability to charge for tickets in Orlando...you have ZERO % chance of making money. You also have a ZERO % chance of coloring yourself closer to the black. Other venues offer opportunity and if handled properly...can yield a smaller loss or possible gain. Even if you cant stop the bleeding, you can live longer by stopping the hemmorraging. If your view points were as dark and gloomy as you make them, TNA would be better served declaring a Chapter 11 and rebranding itself under a new professional wrestling name and company. They can buyout TNA contracts for pennies on the dollar in order to provide more money to the trustee to pay debtors. TNA would be better served to NOT be in business at all. They have not done this and I cant see them doing this at this time for the simple fact its not as gloomy as you have simplified it. For the people saying that the Philadelphia crowd would eat up TNA alive, that isn't really the case. Back in 2006 and 2007, TNA ran a lot of shows in the old ECW Arena in Philadelphia and were over huge with the crowd. Now I know that is a different era for TNA, but this is also the same city that loved Tri State Wrestling in 1990 and 1991, and was a fan of the original Eastern Championship Wrestling in 1992 and 1993, when guys like Larry Winters, and D.C. Drake were on the card. Philadelphia will support you if you try your hardest and show that you want to get better. Also, I believe it was like two years ago now when TNA did a lot of shows out of New York, and the fans loved it. TNA can survive, just it seems Dixie refuses to put any big money into it. I think maybe to her, TNA is just her way of being on TV and being a 'celebrity' to people. Exactly. I think people outside the area dont quite understand pro wrestling in the Northeast. Unless you are here and live it, its hard to completely understand how rabid and insatiable they are. False. They were nearly selling out the Manhattan Center for 3 straight nights of tapings in NYC. I wouldnt try and run in Nashville or Atlanta either. They dont provide an advantage over Orlando area and are not in the hot bed of pro wrestling in the north east. Its more than just how many tickets are sold though...how much it costs vs. how much you can generate is more important. If TNA can only draw a house of 300 people but can make a 20% profit...thats better than drawing a house of 3000 and making a 2% profit. I think you are on the right track. I would suggest mini tours, take advantage of spending money on flights and maximize. Run a 3-5 city home base. That means you have 3 to 5 different locations that you will tape out of. House your television equipment there so not to have to transport it around. You can stick to your once a month tapings. Maybe run 2300, Rahway, NJ, Baltimore, Rochester and maybe Conneticut. Then for example, you tape your tv Tuesday, Wed and Thurs. Each night offer a mini meet n greet package with 2-3 TNA stars for 1 hour before doors. Then travel to Easton on Friday for a house show, Harrisburg on Sat. for a house show and Reading on Sunday for a house show. There's your loop back to Philly. Now you have maximized return on your investment into flights. You have completed 4 to 5 televised events and drawn revenue in ticket sales. You have done 3 house shows that you have been able to sell backstage passes with. I just think TNA isnt thinking enough outside the box. I would also look to, not trim, but eliminate parts of the roster that may be costly. By costly, I dont mean high salary....but what it costs for travel. Flying the Hardys from NC is a no brainer. Merchandise, drawing power, etc. makes them worth it. Lets take Rockstar Spud for example. The dude is in Tenn. He is a bit player in the X division. Assume is guarantee is very small. But flying him here, there...etc. is costly. Offer him the chance to relocate or cut bait. Then I would look to expand my roster by using north east talents. Let me use guys that live in this area and can drive in. No rental car needed and no flight. I would even look to possibly pair up with indy fed leaders who have established themselves in areas by offering a piece of the gate and perhaps a house show spot for 2 of their guys they would like to feature. This would take some pressure off TNA on how to promote in the area, provide free advertising to an established fan base of indy wrestling fans and reduce costs. You dont lose any liquidity and instead are simply offering potential. In turn, the indy fed is garnering a bigger audience to promote their brand. They get a chance to feature their guys in front of some different fans. They open doors to TNA. And they get to profit from it as well. Simply...they TNA would be reverting back to the old NWA territory days. All these local area feds will be partnered with TNA and become an almost affiliate for them. WWE is all about global domination and they have done it. So why not be about regional control. Do you ever make a post where you don't sound condescending? Rarely. |
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Post by IRS on Oct 1, 2016 0:30:07 GMT -5
Looks like BFG is on for Sunday. Maybe Dixie let Hogan back on the Dixie Train for some of that Gawker money.
Galloway is off the show, though, due to a neck injury. Looks like it'll be Eddie Edwards as his replacement for the Grand Championship match.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2016 1:58:12 GMT -5
In the minority of fans who still want them to soldier on and keep doing what they're doing.
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Post by deskjet on Oct 1, 2016 6:02:08 GMT -5
That's a nice outlook on things. Wanting a company to die... Only because they had a chance to be an actual competitor but squandered it at every turn. I used to be a big mark for the product but felt betrayed when they took everything that made tna special and different and basically wiped their asses with it and diluted the product with a 4 sided ring and signing big names instead of pushing their homegrown talent as far as they could. They did it to them selves Exactly how I feel. Was with them on day one then I watched them for 14 years take two steps forward and eight steps back at every opportunity they had. That's called utter ineptness. And people like that deserve to have things taken away and given to someone that will properly take care of it. They coulda had heyman...nope, went with hogan and that got us the nasty boys, bubba the love sponge, Val venis, and the depushing of their hottest stars at the time. I didn't mind the hogan bischoff regime but when I started seeing the homegrown talent get the shaft, I had my druthers. Never fully recovered since then but that was only the tail end of previous missteps they had taken for years before. Dixie couldn't properly manage a t ball team let alone a wrestling company so she gets what she deserves. The fans and especially the wrestlers deserve better. |
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Oct 1, 2016 7:29:03 GMT -5
False. They were nearly selling out the Manhattan Center for 3 straight nights of tapings in NYC. I wouldnt try and run in Nashville or Atlanta either. They dont provide an advantage over Orlando area and are not in the hot bed of pro wrestling in the north east. Its more than just how many tickets are sold though...how much it costs vs. how much you can generate is more important. If TNA can only draw a house of 300 people but can make a 20% profit...thats better than drawing a house of 3000 and making a 2% profit. I think you are on the right track. I would suggest mini tours, take advantage of spending money on flights and maximize. Run a 3-5 city home base. That means you have 3 to 5 different locations that you will tape out of. House your television equipment there so not to have to transport it around. You can stick to your once a month tapings. Maybe run 2300, Rahway, NJ, Baltimore, Rochester and maybe Conneticut. Then for example, you tape your tv Tuesday, Wed and Thurs. Each night offer a mini meet n greet package with 2-3 TNA stars for 1 hour before doors. Then travel to Easton on Friday for a house show, Harrisburg on Sat. for a house show and Reading on Sunday for a house show. There's your loop back to Philly. Now you have maximized return on your investment into flights. You have completed 4 to 5 televised events and drawn revenue in ticket sales. You have done 3 house shows that you have been able to sell backstage passes with. I just think TNA isnt thinking enough outside the box. I would also look to, not trim, but eliminate parts of the roster that may be costly. By costly, I dont mean high salary....but what it costs for travel. Flying the Hardys from NC is a no brainer. Merchandise, drawing power, etc. makes them worth it. Lets take Rockstar Spud for example. The dude is in Tenn. He is a bit player in the X division. Assume is guarantee is very small. But flying him here, there...etc. is costly. Offer him the chance to relocate or cut bait. Then I would look to expand my roster by using north east talents. Let me use guys that live in this area and can drive in. No rental car needed and no flight. I would even look to possibly pair up with indy fed leaders who have established themselves in areas by offering a piece of the gate and perhaps a house show spot for 2 of their guys they would like to feature. This would take some pressure off TNA on how to promote in the area, provide free advertising to an established fan base of indy wrestling fans and reduce costs. You dont lose any liquidity and instead are simply offering potential. In turn, the indy fed is garnering a bigger audience to promote their brand. They get a chance to feature their guys in front of some different fans. They open doors to TNA. And they get to profit from it as well. Simply...they TNA would be reverting back to the old NWA territory days. All these local area feds will be partnered with TNA and become an almost affiliate for them. WWE is all about global domination and they have done it. So why not be about regional control. Do you ever make a post where you don't sound condescending? Dude talking like he knows it all. Lol Besides, I never take these airport stalkers/ celebrity chasers serious. I literally work in Hollywood California, and I've seen the way these weirdos behave. |
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Oct 1, 2016 8:42:10 GMT -5
If wwe buys tna they should screw the brand split and just have 2 different companies
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Post by BASTARDKING on Oct 1, 2016 9:35:26 GMT -5
Only because they had a chance to be an actual competitor but squandered it at every turn. I used to be a big mark for the product but felt betrayed when they took everything that made tna special and different and basically wiped their asses with it and diluted the product with a 4 sided ring and signing big names instead of pushing their homegrown talent as far as they could. They did it to them selves Exactly how I feel. Was with them on day one then I watched them for 14 years take two steps forward and eight steps back at every opportunity they had. That's called utter ineptness. And people like that deserve to have things taken away and given to someone that will properly take care of it. They coulda had heyman...nope, went with hogan and that got us the nasty boys, bubba the love sponge, Val venis, and the depushing of their hottest stars at the time. I didn't mind the hogan bischoff regime but when I started seeing the homegrown talent get the shaft, I had my druthers. Never fully recovered since then but that was only the tail end of previous missteps they had taken for years before. Dixie couldn't properly manage a t ball team let alone a wrestling company so she gets what she deserves. The fans and especially the wrestlers deserve better. Well said, good brother, well said |
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Post by Liv Is Life on Oct 1, 2016 12:02:36 GMT -5
I've stayed away from this topic, only because I ceased following TNA closely the day they left Spike. That being said, I'm very torn on the thought of them finally ending. I started my love of TNA all the way back in December of 2002, and proceeded to order every single weekly pay per view (outside of 2) until they made the move to FS. Up until last year I had literally every weekly ppv I had ordered and every impact on FS on vhs tape. I was an original member of the TNA street team, and to this day still have my badge/lanyard and fliers somewhere in storage. I had attended and enjoyed shows/meet and greets multiple times, including getting the chance to have a convo with Jeremy Borash about why I loved the company. I had every single toybiz figure and dvd released through 2010 until I had to sell off following a divorce.
That being said, that company I loved and supported became one I didn't recognize once they started letting all the talent that hooked me in walk away. AJ, Daniels, Low Ki, Sabin, Shelley, Raven, Devine etc. I could list all day. Still, it hurts a little knowing deep down this may finally be it. Might have to give this weekend BFG a watch and the subsequent impacts, just for closures sake.
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Post by Sizzle on Oct 1, 2016 12:40:01 GMT -5
I'm not gonna want a company to die because of things they did in the past. I'd much rather watch TNA than an episode of RAW nowadays because it's just the better show. I have watched TNA all my life and yeah they ed up a few times but in no way am I gonna want the company that has been a part of my life as a wrestling fan to die or especially be bought by WWE and looted of their talent so they can be jobbers on RAW. TNA is a boon to wrestlers and wrestling fans. If a guy that show some promise in WWE is pushed back in favor of someone else like Drew Galloway, Cody, and Aron Rex were then you can count on TNA using them to their full potential. It's a win for the wrestler and a win for their fans. |
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Post by Darkhawk on Oct 1, 2016 12:48:33 GMT -5
Don't know how but TNA managed to do it again, hopefully Corgan buys the company soon and Dixie can finally off. |
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Post by BASTARDKING on Oct 1, 2016 13:00:28 GMT -5
Welp, they seemed to pull another miracle out of their asses
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Post by RV F'N D on Oct 1, 2016 13:34:04 GMT -5
But who is this mysterious 3rd party that came through with the funds...?
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Post by OTC Waxbender on Oct 1, 2016 13:35:36 GMT -5
Hope WWE buys them so I can have a ton of TNA stars as mattel figures mwaahahahaa
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2016 13:53:56 GMT -5
I wonder who put up the money?
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Post by Ator on Oct 1, 2016 14:03:20 GMT -5
But who is this mysterious 3rd party that came through with the funds...?  |
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Post by @AnHonorablePod on Oct 1, 2016 14:15:41 GMT -5
Do you ever make a post where you don't sound condescending? Dude talking like he knows it all. Lol Besides, I never take these airport stalkers/ celebrity chasers serious. I literally work in Hollywood California, and I've seen the way these weirdos behave. While, I've never worked in Hollywood I did work for a company this dude has shown up at with a lot of things to get signed by the wrestlers. You should hear the way most wrestlers feel about him. Total pain in the ass with no real manners. In addition, when TNA or whomever is funding these shows pays Moose, Mike Bennett, & his wife, for the last two sets of tapings, please let me know. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2016 14:47:13 GMT -5
Who cares? TNA has been on life support for years.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 1, 2016 15:03:17 GMT -5
People who want TNA to die, pretty much wants a lot of men and women to go jobless then. And in the way the world is now, going jobless is not a good thing because jobs are just getting harder and harder to get.
I hope TNA can last forever. I don't care if they are on WWE's par of being 'world wide' or having huge main event stars like Cena, Rock, Lesnar or Orton. I just hope TNA keeps being an alternative to the WWE. I hope that the talent that is in TNA keeps putting on entertaining matches for the fans. It's all I want, hell, I think it's all any TNA fan wants.
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Post by Zigzag on Oct 1, 2016 15:05:46 GMT -5
I'm thinking the third party might be Dixie's billionaire parents, giving her the final loan they will. Egging her to get rid of the money pit that has been TNA. Vince buys the tape library, and certain contracts. Corgan then stats his own company (when legally able), negotiating with Pop for a new TV deal and keeps the other contracts that Vince didn't buy. Those that don't want to work for Corgan then try their hands with ROH.
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Post by LA Times on Oct 1, 2016 15:14:03 GMT -5
I wonder who put up the money? Its Vince McMahon of course. Dixie sold 14 years of footage just to fund one month worth of TV programming. |
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