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Post by LK3 on Feb 14, 2023 3:44:15 GMT -5
I do think the second fumble should've been a td too but like LK3 said that was the rule,so it was called right but just a dumb rule imo. The only call I thought was iffy was the Goedert catch,I think if it was called no catch initially it would've stayed a no catch but I haven't went back and seen it real close so maybe that was good too. I've seen more not get called before but seen way less get called too but imo this was a good call. When the guy comes out and owns up to it,I don't see anything to complain about personally. Do you recall if they announced the Goedert review as stands or confirmed? IMO he still had his toe on the ground plus the other foot once he re-established possession, so even confirming the call would've been fine with me too. Meaning if it was called incomplete then I would've seen enough to overturn it to a catch. But if the called stands, then it probably would've stood if they called it incomplete too. |
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Post by finnbalor1 on Feb 14, 2023 4:02:59 GMT -5
I do think the second fumble should've been a td too but like LK3 said that was the rule,so it was called right but just a dumb rule imo. The only call I thought was iffy was the Goedert catch,I think if it was called no catch initially it would've stayed a no catch but I haven't went back and seen it real close so maybe that was good too. I've seen more not get called before but seen way less get called too but imo this was a good call. When the guy comes out and owns up to it,I don't see anything to complain about personally. Do you recall if they announced the Goedert review as stands or confirmed? IMO he still had his toe on the ground plus the other foot once he re-established possession, so even confirming the call would've been fine with me too. Meaning if it was called incomplete then I would've seen enough to overturn it to a catch. But if the called stands, then it probably would've stood if they called it incomplete too. Not sure but if I had to guess,stands but that's nothing but a guess. It just all comes down to whenever they declared him re establishing possession,i guess soon as he touched the ball with the other hand? He did seem to have his toe down then,i just didn't think they would've called it having possession that quick. |
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Post by LK3 on Feb 14, 2023 4:10:54 GMT -5
Do you recall if they announced the Goedert review as stands or confirmed? IMO he still had his toe on the ground plus the other foot once he re-established possession, so even confirming the call would've been fine with me too. Meaning if it was called incomplete then I would've seen enough to overturn it to a catch. But if the called stands, then it probably would've stood if they called it incomplete too. Not sure but if I had to guess,stands but that's nothing but a guess. It just all comes down to whenever they declared him re establishing possession,i guess soon as he touched the ball with the other hand? He did seem to have his toe down then,i just didn't think they would've called it having possession that quick. Yeah as soon as both hands were back on the ball should be the point in which he established possession. |
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Post by PJ on Feb 14, 2023 5:30:14 GMT -5
The Chiefs had a TD called back in the AFC Championship game just 2 weeks ago. Chris Jones earlier this season got called for roughing the passer while having possession of the ball by some of the same guys calling the Super Bowl. That Chris Jones play was against our Raiders too. That was clearly roughing the passer! He damn near tried to kill Derek  And yes they called it right (SB fumble) I meant the rule of the football move is bs. So many of the newer rules are bs. Especially sack rules as someone who played DE/TE growing up I wouldn’t want to play DE in today’s game. Not sure but if I had to guess,stands but that's nothing but a guess. It just all comes down to whenever they declared him re establishing possession,i guess soon as he touched the ball with the other hand? He did seem to have his toe down then,i just didn't think they would've called it having possession that quick. Yeah as soon as both hands were back on the ball should be the point in which he established possession. That’s another BS rule to me. I don’t care if a ball is bobbled as long as it doesn’t touch the ground it should be a catch. |
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Feb 14, 2023 6:36:37 GMT -5
Per the rule book, a defensive player can make contact within 5 yards if it’s constant, unbroken contact. The defender did not make continuous contact therefore it should’ve been an illegal contact penalty instead of holding What does the play have to do with illegal contact? There was a grab and pull on the jersey, defensive holding. The official said after the game there was no debate amongst them about the call, and the fact that Bradberry himself owned up and admitted he held makes it even funnier than people want to be upset that the call was made. First of all, I read the NFL rules before I posted. A defensive player can make and maintain contact within 5 yards of the LOS - if contact is maintained, no penalty. If contact is made, broken and then made again within 5 yards, the penalty is illegal contact. The Eagles defender broke contact, so therefore illegal contact should have been called and not holding as you can technically hold within 5 yards if you maintain contact. I have no dog in the fight. I’m not a fan of either team. Simply stating what the NFL rule book says. |
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Post by PJ on Feb 14, 2023 7:03:12 GMT -5
As for the holding call at the end. Did he grab him? Yes, but it really had no impact on the play. It didn’t impede JuJu. He didn’t even miss a step. And it all happened well before Mahomes threw the pass. JuJu was already into his break up field when Mahomes threw it. Mahomes just overthrew JuJu. So personally I wouldn’t have thrown that flag. But I can understand why they did. And while it sucked for the Eagles I feel it really didn’t change the outcome.
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Post by LK3 on Feb 14, 2023 7:42:12 GMT -5
What does the play have to do with illegal contact? There was a grab and pull on the jersey, defensive holding. The official said after the game there was no debate amongst them about the call, and the fact that Bradberry himself owned up and admitted he held makes it even funnier than people want to be upset that the call was made. First of all, I read the NFL rules before I posted. A defensive player can make and maintain contact within 5 yards of the LOS - if contact is maintained, no penalty. If contact is made, broken and then made again within 5 yards, the penalty is illegal contact. The Eagles defender broke contact, so therefore illegal contact should have been called and not holding as you can technically hold within 5 yards if you maintain contact. I have no dog in the fight. I’m not a fan of either team. Simply stating what the NFL rule book says. Committing a holding foul is not part of “making and maintaining contact” within 5 yards. Contact is not grabbing and holding. Contact is touching the other player without grabbing and holding. If he actually did maintain that grab for 5 yards it still would’ve been a holding penalty and there would be absolutely no one arguing about it. There’s also an article in the rule book for defensive holding, since it’s a separate foul from illegal contact, and there’s nothing else to it having to do with yards or other complications. ARTICLE 6. DEFENSIVE HOLDING It is defensive holding if a player grasps an eligible offensive player (or his jersey) with his hands, or extends an arm or arms to cut off or encircle him. |
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Feb 14, 2023 7:55:34 GMT -5
First of all, I read the NFL rules before I posted. A defensive player can make and maintain contact within 5 yards of the LOS - if contact is maintained, no penalty. If contact is made, broken and then made again within 5 yards, the penalty is illegal contact. The Eagles defender broke contact, so therefore illegal contact should have been called and not holding as you can technically hold within 5 yards if you maintain contact. I have no dog in the fight. I’m not a fan of either team. Simply stating what the NFL rule book says. Committing a holding foul is not part of “making and maintaining contact” within 5 yards. Contact is not grabbing and holding. Contact is touching the other player without grabbing and holding. If he actually did maintain that grab for 5 yards it still would’ve been a holding penalty and there would be absolutely no one arguing about it. There’s also an article in the rule book for defensive holding, since it’s a separate foul from illegal contact, and there’s nothing else to it having to do with yards or other complications. ARTICLE 6. DEFENSIVE HOLDING It is defensive holding if a player grasps an eligible offensive player (or his jersey) with his hands, or extends an arm or arms to cut off or encircle him. What I read, it said defensive holding can’t be called within 5 yards from the LOS. The only thing I found where a penalty can be called on a player defending an eligible receiver within 5 yards was the illegal contact |
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Post by LK3 on Feb 14, 2023 8:22:53 GMT -5
Committing a holding foul is not part of “making and maintaining contact” within 5 yards. Contact is not grabbing and holding. Contact is touching the other player without grabbing and holding. If he actually did maintain that grab for 5 yards it still would’ve been a holding penalty and there would be absolutely no one arguing about it. There’s also an article in the rule book for defensive holding, since it’s a separate foul from illegal contact, and there’s nothing else to it having to do with yards or other complications. ARTICLE 6. DEFENSIVE HOLDING It is defensive holding if a player grasps an eligible offensive player (or his jersey) with his hands, or extends an arm or arms to cut off or encircle him. What I read, it said defensive holding can’t be called within 5 yards from the LOS. The only thing I found where a penalty can be called on a player defending an eligible receiver within 5 yards was the illegal contact There’s nothing in the NFL rule book for restrictions on holding penalties in regards to that. There may be other explanations out there on the internet though. If a RB is behind the line of scrimmage for a screen pass and a defender holds him, it’s a penalty. Defensive linemen can be called for holding in the trenches if they pull on an offensive linemen. I did see the most laughable thing on FB this morning though.. one of my buddies from work doesn’t believe the penalty should’ve been called because the ball was uncatchable. Seriously!? |
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Feb 14, 2023 9:17:04 GMT -5
What I read, it said defensive holding can’t be called within 5 yards from the LOS. The only thing I found where a penalty can be called on a player defending an eligible receiver within 5 yards was the illegal contact There’s nothing in the NFL rule book for restrictions on holding penalties in regards to that. There may be other explanations out there on the internet though. If a RB is behind the line of scrimmage for a screen pass and a defender holds him, it’s a penalty. Defensive linemen can be called for holding in the trenches if they pull on an offensive linemen. I did see the most laughable thing on FB this morning though.. one of my buddies from work doesn’t believe the penalty should’ve been called because the ball was uncatchable. Seriously!? IMO, the rules are open to too much interpretation in some cases. I’d be a nervous wreck if I was an NFL official. I couldn’t imagine trying to remember all these rules and sub parts of rules that apply to a game that happens so fast. We can take the time to read up on the rules and state how we understand them and those guys are having to react within a second of it happening during the biggest game of the year. Refs are scrutinized no matter what the call or non call is. I don’t envy their job at all |
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Post by finnbalor1 on Feb 14, 2023 10:38:11 GMT -5
Trust me I get being upset if I was a Eagles player or fan,feeling like your season came down to ONE play/call after they've been one of the front runners all year but it was 100% the right call imo. It didn't have anything to do with illegal contact,he grabbed the jersey and from my understanding its holding no matter where it happened past the line of scrimmage. I never heard anything about within so many yards on a holding penalty.
I will say,I think they could've got it back down field and got the game tied up if that didn't get called and we would've gotten another OT SuperBowl but lucky for us we didn't have to see that😉. Its no use in worrying if they keep the same pace as their first SB win,they'll get that second ring within about another 50 years😂
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Post by Artie Kendall on Feb 16, 2023 18:01:15 GMT -5
I expected K.C. to win but I expected them to win by a lot more. The Eagles played the one strategy that I hate in football, the keep-away time of possession game. Hate it. And when you spend 8 minutes on a drive to only get a field goal and that the other team can still go ahead of you with a touchdown, get outta here.
I expect K.C. to be favorites next year. Still not buying into Burrow and the Bengals. He's got "Dan Marino of His Generation" written all over him.
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Post by LK3 on Feb 17, 2023 0:57:08 GMT -5
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Post by finnbalor1 on Mar 2, 2023 1:21:52 GMT -5
Bears has the #1 pick and still might not get the guy they wanted
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Post by finnbalor1 on Mar 7, 2023 18:09:53 GMT -5
Never would've thought Geno Smith would be one of the highest paid guys in the league
Where's Lamar end up now? I'm thinking Washington makes a big run at him.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Mar 7, 2023 20:13:38 GMT -5
Never would've thought Geno Smith would be one of the highest paid guys in the league Where's Lamar end up now? I'm thinking Washington makes a big run at him. I think they get a deal done in Baltimore they just really really don’t want to give him all that money. |
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Post by hitmancmedge on Mar 7, 2023 20:15:32 GMT -5
I also think Daniel Jones is gonna turn into a giant waste of money, but admittedly he stepped up last year so the Giants really were in a tough spot.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Mar 7, 2023 22:20:42 GMT -5
Never would've thought Geno Smith would be one of the highest paid guys in the league Where's Lamar end up now? I'm thinking Washington makes a big run at him. I think they get a deal done in Baltimore they just really really don’t want to give him all that money. Looks like you might be right,doesn't look like many teams are willing to pay that price. Tbh I'm pretty shocked,I know its just the first day but from the sounds of it a couple front runner teams has already gotten out. |
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Post by Evil Abed on Mar 7, 2023 23:50:20 GMT -5
I also think Daniel Jones is gonna turn into a giant waste of money, but admittedly he stepped up last year so the Giants really were in a tough spot. IMO wildly overpaid for a guy who showed up so far once in 4 years and just so happened to be his contract year. A guy that hasn't broken a QBR average rating of 60 in any of his 4 years. I'll be happy to eat my words if he shows up this coming year but it'll be very interesting to see his style of play now that brotha got paid. I would have been happy to keep Jones but for nearly 40 mil a year, thats a steep price. Thats borderline Patrick Mahomes money. |
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Post by finnbalor1 on Mar 8, 2023 2:28:19 GMT -5
I just don't see him as ever being a top 10 QB but I guess his stats last year proves me wrong. You pretty much gotta pay any QB big now,example like I said earlier Geno is one of the top paid guys in the league next year. If I was a fan,I rather had them take care of Barkley instead giving Jones this type of contract but as long as they get it done eventually that's all that matters.
I'm really looking forward to see what the Saints looks like next year,I don't think they're a Super Bowl contender but I see them improving and at the very least win that division and maybe even get a wild card win
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