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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 23, 2016 20:01:58 GMT -5
Lol at people who think he wrote this calling it now he. didnt write. it but its part of his con.spirac. y to stand tall
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Post by Jimmy Toucan (+ The Flipout) on Dec 23, 2016 20:15:12 GMT -5
TIL bangarang is great at copy and paste. lol
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Post by TheLastDude on Dec 23, 2016 20:20:21 GMT -5
The only coherent bangarang post is a repost of an article. It was longer than a sentence, it had punctuation, and there weren't many quickly discernible spelling errors. That was how I knew it wasn't his own idea.
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Post by The Brain on Dec 23, 2016 20:53:42 GMT -5
Yeah the whole thing is coherent. No way in hell Bangarang wrote it.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Dec 23, 2016 21:13:21 GMT -5
The Cruiserweight Division was never put into a position to succeed. The WWE just wrongfully assumed that because a one-month tournament held in front of a smaller, wrestling-oriented crowd went over well that they wouldn't have to change anything and just put it on RAW. It doesn't work that way. I can guarantee you that a large majority of the WWE's target age demographic knew nothing about the Cruiserweight Classic and never heard of any of these guys beforehand. If you're not a pure wrestling fan who enjoys the indies and watching real wrestling matches (aka an NXT crowd), then as a 10-year-old fan of the WWE you would have zero connection to any of these matches or wrestlers. Now, if you were to tell me that 205 Live and the entire Cruiserweight division was going to be exclusively taped the same nights as NXT shows at Full Sail Arena, then you'd have a better chance of it succeeding.
The failure of the Cruiserwight Division is basically a perfect reflection of the WWE overall. You have an out of touch owner/creative team who has no idea what the audience wants to see or how one crowd differs from another. That's the WWE in a nutshell.
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Post by IRS on Dec 23, 2016 22:22:09 GMT -5
Failure of the Cru?
But 3 Live Kru wasn't a failure; they were fantastic.
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Post by bababooey on Dec 24, 2016 14:14:02 GMT -5
I didn't bother reading that essay but I think the main reason it hasn't taken off is because it's too separated from the rest of the show. It's basically presented as a separate brand that bought a few minutes of time on RAW. Add that to the fact that until now there was no one casual fans would recognize. It was like RAW was going on and an Indy show would pop up in the middle.
I think they should do away with the purple stuff and let the cruiserweights interact with other divisions. I wouldn't have minded New Day defending against a team like Nese and Gulak one week rather than seeing them face the same three teams every week. Or have Strowman come out one week and crush some cruiserweights.
The division is going to be so much better when it's treated like it's actually part of the company.
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Post by TheLastDude on Dec 24, 2016 16:11:24 GMT -5
You have to keep in mind that the WWE is trying to market themselves more like the UFC now. Setting up divisions, making the titles look similar, etc.
So the Cruisers can't fight other guys since they are in different weight classes. That's why they're making such a big deal out of "205". The problem isn't that the CW division isn't interacting with the rest of the roster, it's that the writing for it has been atrocious. They dropped the division on and didn't give the casual fans a reason to care.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 16:31:48 GMT -5
I didn't bother reading that essay but I think the main reason it hasn't taken off is because it's too separated from the rest of the show. It's basically presented as a separate brand that bought a few minutes of time on RAW. Add that to the fact that until now there was no one casual fans would recognize. It was like RAW was going on and an Indy show would pop up in the middle. I think they should do away with the purple stuff and let the cruiserweights interact with other divisions. I wouldn't have minded New Day defending against a team like Nese and Gulak one week rather than seeing them face the same three teams every week. Or have Strowman come out one week and crush some cruiserweights. The division is going to be so much better when it's treated like it's actually part of the company. Why does everyone want Strowman to kill the Cruiserweights? If anything I want Gulak to break his green ass.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Dec 24, 2016 16:50:39 GMT -5
I didn't bother reading that essay but I think the main reason it hasn't taken off is because it's too separated from the rest of the show. It's basically presented as a separate brand that bought a few minutes of time on RAW. Add that to the fact that until now there was no one casual fans would recognize. It was like RAW was going on and an Indy show would pop up in the middle. I think they should do away with the purple stuff and let the cruiserweights interact with other divisions. I wouldn't have minded New Day defending against a team like Nese and Gulak one week rather than seeing them face the same three teams every week. Or have Strowman come out one week and crush some cruiserweights. The division is going to be so much better when it's treated like it's actually part of the company. Why does everyone want Strowman to kill the Cruiserweights? If anything I want Gulak to break his green ass. I want all the cruiserweights in a battle royal. Then Strowman's music hits and he comes out and destroys them all. After that he lifts the cruiserweight belt and rips it in half.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 16:55:54 GMT -5
Why does everyone want Strowman to kill the Cruiserweights? If anything I want Gulak to break his green ass. I want all the cruiserweights in a battle royal. Then Strowman's music hits and he comes out and destroys them all. After that he lifts the cruiserweight belt and rips it in half. Look I know you old timers miss the days of Kevin Nash being an ass, and Brock Lesnar and Big Show killing Rey Mysterio and Zack Gowen, but we actually want some of these guys to be successful. And not used for Hoss Fodder.
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Post by bababooey on Dec 24, 2016 18:31:02 GMT -5
I didn't bother reading that essay but I think the main reason it hasn't taken off is because it's too separated from the rest of the show. It's basically presented as a separate brand that bought a few minutes of time on RAW. Add that to the fact that until now there was no one casual fans would recognize. It was like RAW was going on and an Indy show would pop up in the middle. I think they should do away with the purple stuff and let the cruiserweights interact with other divisions. I wouldn't have minded New Day defending against a team like Nese and Gulak one week rather than seeing them face the same three teams every week. Or have Strowman come out one week and crush some cruiserweights. The division is going to be so much better when it's treated like it's actually part of the company. Why does everyone want Strowman to kill the Cruiserweights? If anything I want Gulak to break his green ass. It's not really that I want Strowman to kill the cruiserweights but he's a guy that gets a lot of TV time and destroying guys is kind of his thing. Plus cruiserweights can take pretty good bumps generally and the size difference can accentuate Strowman's size even more. I just think it would be one simple way to get them more air time for casual fans to get to know them and they can get a bit of a shine.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Dec 25, 2016 2:16:05 GMT -5
I've said this elsewhere, but it boils down to two things for me:
1: The champion needs to be strong. Bouncing the belt around makes it mean nothing. The winner of the tournament (and I definitely wouldn't have chosen TJ Perkins) should still be champion, and continuing to best each challenger. He should have been a heel with personality who can actually generate heat. For that reason it should've been Kendrick, and as I said before he should still be champion.
2: Everyone is bland and boring besides Kendrick (although I really liked what I saw from Neville this past Monday even if he was channeling Drew Galloway). Rich Swann looks like a homeless guy living under a bridge dancing for spare change. TJ Perkins has awesome music, but no personality. Tony Nese, Noam Dar....zzzzzzzz. They also don't really have any big stars aside from Neville and arguably Kendrick. If they'd gotten Ospreay and Zack Sabre Jr. we might not even be having this conversation (although I'd still have given it to Kendrick and had them chase him for it for awhile).
That's my opinion, and that's pretty much what is keeping me away. I have high hopes for Neville though. The way they bounce that belt around he'll be the next champion by the first of the year. The next champion needs to be booked strongly, and should hold it until Wrestlemania if they have any hope of getting this thing off of the ground.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Dec 25, 2016 6:21:28 GMT -5
You have to keep in mind that the WWE is trying to market themselves more like the UFC now. Setting up divisions, making the titles look similar, etc.
So the Cruisers can't fight other guys since they are in different weight classes. That's why they're making such a big deal out of "205". The problem isn't that the CW division isn't interacting with the rest of the roster, it's that the writing for it has been atrocious. They dropped the division on and didn't give the casual fans a reason to care. F**************************************************k
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 25, 2016 10:04:22 GMT -5
You have to keep in mind that the WWE is trying to market themselves more like the UFC now. Setting up divisions, making the titles look similar, etc. So the Cruisers can't fight other guys since they are in different weight classes. I don't think they're sticking that strictly to it. Assuming he's healthy, Finn Balor will likely be fighting for the main Raw belt at Mania, and he's definitely not over 205lbs. Sin Cara and Kalisto have both fought in and out of the division since it was created. I'm fairly sure Enzo is a cruiserweight too, and he's not in that division.
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Post by bababooey on Dec 25, 2016 12:17:55 GMT -5
I've said this elsewhere, but it boils down to two things for me: 1: The champion needs to be strong. Bouncing the belt around makes it mean nothing. The winner of the tournament (and I definitely wouldn't have chosen TJ Perkins) should still be champion, and continuing to best each challenger. He should have been a heel with personality who can actually generate heat. For that reason it should've been Kendrick, and as I said before he should still be champion. 2: Everyone is bland and boring besides Kendrick (although I really liked what I saw from Neville this past Monday even if he was channeling Drew Galloway). Rich Swann looks like a homeless guy living under a bridge dancing for spare change. TJ Perkins has awesome music, but no personality. Tony Nese, Noam Dar....zzzzzzzz. They also don't really have any big stars aside from Neville and arguably Kendrick. If they'd gotten Ospreay and Zack Sabre Jr. we might not even be having this conversation (although I'd still have given it to Kendrick and had them chase him for it for awhile). That's my opinion, and that's pretty much what is keeping me away. I have high hopes for Neville though. The way they bounce that belt around he'll be the next champion by the first of the year. The next champion needs to be booked strongly, and should hold it until Wrestlemania if they have any hope of getting this thing off of the ground. I agree with your logic but I don't think Osprey or Sabre would make a difference. They need guys like Neville who are stars the WWE fans already know to mix it up with the new guys. Otherwise not only do you not care but you have no investment in anyone on the ring. The fact that Kalisto isn't in this division blows my mind. He could have been a massive star as a Cruiserweight but instead he's warming the bench on Smackdown. I watch Smackdown every week and I couldn't tell you what Kalisto is up to. Also, right before starting up the Cruiserweight division they randomly changed Sami Zayn's weight to 205 pounds. Seems like they had intentions to put him there but I feel like he must have resisted. I think in interviews he was basically like "Huh? I'm 212." Just as a sidebar, I get that he has a big following, but I don't get the appeal of Sabre. In the CWC I found him insanely boring.
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Post by TheLastDude on Dec 25, 2016 15:50:11 GMT -5
You have to keep in mind that the WWE is trying to market themselves more like the UFC now. Setting up divisions, making the titles look similar, etc. So the Cruisers can't fight other guys since they are in different weight classes. I don't think they're sticking that strictly to it. Assuming he's healthy, Finn Balor will likely be fighting for the main Raw belt at Mania, and he's definitely not over 205lbs. Sin Cara and Kalisto have both fought in and out of the division since it was created. I'm fairly sure Enzo is a cruiserweight too, and he's not in that division. I'm referring to the guys who were brought in and marketed as Cruiserweights, not already established stars. They're not going to limit cash cows like Finn and Enzo by making them fight matches nobody cares about against TJP and Gulak. The only reason Neville is now in the division is because creative has absolutely no idea what else to do with him. Cara and Kalisto will most likely pop in and out to give the actual division guys a rub.
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Post by BSR on Dec 25, 2016 17:18:11 GMT -5
I like the addition of Neville
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Dec 25, 2016 22:15:05 GMT -5
I've said this elsewhere, but it boils down to two things for me: 1: The champion needs to be strong. Bouncing the belt around makes it mean nothing. The winner of the tournament (and I definitely wouldn't have chosen TJ Perkins) should still be champion, and continuing to best each challenger. He should have been a heel with personality who can actually generate heat. For that reason it should've been Kendrick, and as I said before he should still be champion. 2: Everyone is bland and boring besides Kendrick (although I really liked what I saw from Neville this past Monday even if he was channeling Drew Galloway). Rich Swann looks like a homeless guy living under a bridge dancing for spare change. TJ Perkins has awesome music, but no personality. Tony Nese, Noam Dar....zzzzzzzz. They also don't really have any big stars aside from Neville and arguably Kendrick. If they'd gotten Ospreay and Zack Sabre Jr. we might not even be having this conversation (although I'd still have given it to Kendrick and had them chase him for it for awhile). That's my opinion, and that's pretty much what is keeping me away. I have high hopes for Neville though. The way they bounce that belt around he'll be the next champion by the first of the year. The next champion needs to be booked strongly, and should hold it until Wrestlemania if they have any hope of getting this thing off of the ground. I agree with your logic but I don't think Osprey or Sabre would make a difference. They need guys like Neville who are stars the WWE fans already know to mix it up with the new guys. Otherwise not only do you not care but you have no investment in anyone on the ring. The fact that Kalisto isn't in this division blows my mind. He could have been a massive star as a Cruiserweight but instead he's warming the bench on Smackdown. I watch Smackdown every week and I couldn't tell you what Kalisto is up to. Also, right before starting up the Cruiserweight division they randomly changed Sami Zayn's weight to 205 pounds. Seems like they had intentions to put him there but I feel like he must have resisted. I think in interviews he was basically like "Huh? I'm 212." Just as a sidebar, I get that he has a big following, but I don't get the appeal of Sabre. In the CWC I found him insanely boring. Thats a really good point. I forgot all about Kalisto. Why isn't he in there? I think he was last seen being demolished by Baron Corbin, someone more than a foot taller who outweighs him by a good hundred pounds probably. The best thing that they have done with the cruisers is introduce Neville. They do need to toss Kalisto in there, because he isn't going anywhere outside of it, and after his ill-fated US title reign he clearly shouldn't.
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Post by Rob on Dec 25, 2016 22:23:44 GMT -5
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